I’m new to steroids I have done research but honestly it’s hard to find real knowledgeable people hence why I’m new to meso. I have started a cycle of 250 test c a week, 25mg dbol, and 6iu of hgh,and I’m starting to get gyno and look puffy. Ik the basic AI protocols however I’m worried about neuro toxicity and other issues that come from it. I’m wondering if it would just be better to use a dht, if that is even a thing I heard somewhere it can prevent E2 conversion.
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xrayphoton13
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These statements are not compatible with each other, at least not at your experience level.
First cycle is always testosterone only.
Dbol aromatizes and causes high blood pressure. It should be respected and used by advanced users only, not someone new to steroids.
Gyno could be from the testosterone, the dbol, or the rHGH if your body fat is high, e2 is high, methyl e2 is high, or a combination of the above.
What was your ultra sensitive e2 on labs naturally? What about on 250 test?
On dbol the labs shown it was 87pg/mg. On test alone it was 52pg/mg.
2ndchancesNK
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You’re a great example for why people say to ONLY take Test on your first cycle. You want to minimize the number of variables you’re dealing with on your first cycle to mitigate shit going completely awry. More specifically, it teaches you to manage aromatization from Test and helps answer the question, when, and at what dosage of Test do you need to deploy an AI and the dosage of that AI that works for YOU. Test will likely be included in all future cycles unless you are like some retards on the internet who do eccentric bullshit to be controversial or whatever.
Now you’re growing some juicy tits because you thought it was a good idea to add Dianabol in. Why you thought that was a good idea, I am not sure. Then, you say you’re interested in Superdrol, quite possibly one of the most liver hepatotoxic orals you can use and is not something to fuck with unless you know what you are doing, which you don’t. Lastly, thinking about a DHT derivative to mitigate your fucked up E2. What panic button are you going to press if the DHT has you shedding and fucking up your skin with cystic acne?
Do you understand why Test only is a good idea? See how additional compounds on your first cycle can dig you into a hole?
Hey, at least one thing is true, keep fucking around with steroids and maybe you can make your way to the Steroid Underground section as a source — new sources need to post pics of some tits so at least you got that going for ya!
Dbol estrogen doesn't show up on labs. It seems like you've done no research what so ever.
You are on a TRT level of test, way too much hGH to start out with, plus dbol and you have no estrogen management in place because you are scared of 'neurotoxicity'. Then you want to add superdrol which is toxic in general.
I have a feeling you are 20 years old or younger with your level of impatience.
xrayphoton13
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This is confusing to me. If testosterone dose stayed the same E2 shouldn't change. Dbol doesn't aromatize to e2. Were these both ultra sensitive e2 tests or the standard estradiol lab? That could explain it. Maybe I'm missing something. I don't see it being fake dbol or test. Those two aren't usually ones to be faked
Yes test stayed the same, it was a standard estradiol lab. I’m actually thinking of sending the dbol to be tested by jano cause I don’t think that was dbol from what people keep saying that it doesn’t conver to e2. I stopped taking it cause I was getting boobs from it so I still have some of the caps.
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dinfar1337
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dianabol converts into its own ESTRADIOL, not the same way the body would aromatize it but the end product is the same, hence higher estrogen on bloodwork is accurate.
im thinking to get the dbol lab tested cause I’m curious tbh cause of what yall are saying is that it doesn’t convert into E2. (I didn’t read your full message) that could explain it. Idk why people keep saying that it is weird that’s odd
dinfar1337
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i just said it gets converted to estradiol you should read my message
Yep I’m blind I missed that as well I think now instead of blood work imma need to go to an eye doctor
It converts to Methylestradiol, not estradiol (E2).
These shouldn't be cross reactive on bloodwork from my understanding.
What compound would they have even replaced Dbol for tho like I’m actually curious cause isn’t Dbol not commonly faked. Whatever it was def spiked e2 my test dose stayed the exact same.
dinfar1337
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thank you thats what i said. atleast half of my initial message
methylestradiol hits your estrogen receptors and > more estradiol.
If you gained some water weight and you were growing tits, I'd bet its dbol.
Or maybe you expected too much from it.
Except it doesnt.
It doesn't convert anything. It binds to the ER causing estrogenic effects. Not increase or convert to estradiol.
Is metandienone or downstream products cross reactive with antibodies used on std E2 immunoassay?
Using LCMS E2 test (aka sensitive) would prevent that interference if an issue.
dinfar1337
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yes, im not talking about natural estradiol but as a whole. im talking about active estradiol in your blood which methylestradiol gets detected as in bloodwork because it is "estradiol". i said in my initial post it gets converted into its own estradiol > hits estrogen receptors(which means its active form of a estradiol in the blood) hence why its getting detected and end product is the same.
Yeah, that’s probably what happened. I was using standard E2 immunoassay, so maybe the reading was artificially high from cross-reactivity with Dbol or its metabolites. I didn’t do an LC-MS/MS test to confirm, so I can’t say for sure it was real E2
dinfar1337
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yes, methylestradiol will still get detected with a LCMS ultra sensitive e2 test.
it will just be more accurate
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