albuterol AKA salbutamol

[steckdose0]

i'm hanging up the towel with clen, it's just not worth it. even at 40mcg the stuff makes me miserable. i'm so on edge and anxious on it and on top of that i have headaches and tired as fuck, i'm just not myself when i take it and it's not worth it. besides, i'm worried about the heart damage.

anyway, i've always known about albuterol but heard it was a weaker clen. how does it stack up compared to clen or EC stack? dosages?

 

[M@NU]

from my experience, clen even at 40µg blows albuterol completely away, even at 3x6mg daily

 

[Rido]

I'm assuming you want weight loss. Why not look at ozempic?(semaglutide)

 

[steckdose0]

I'm assuming you want weight loss. Why not look at ozempic?(semaglutide)

is that like a metformin type deal? where it keeps your BG levels low? my insulin sensitivity is pretty great honestly. my BG is always around 85 upon waking up and post cardio/heavy workout. also 2-3 hours after a meal it goes back under 90. and i'm on GH too

 

[theotherguy]

I have never used clen, so I can't really compare, but I use salbutamol for asthma and a great side effect is fat loss. My last cut, I used 4 mg/day on training days only (4x/wk) and I cut about 20 lbs of fat over 8 weeks or so. I don't think I cut any muscle (maybe a little) because I was also running tren at the time.

Apparently the best cutting protocol for salbutamol is to combine 2mg with 100mg caffeine... I couldn't find the efficacy study I was looking for on it.

EDIT: 4/100 or 2/200 salbutamol/caffeine.

 

[Rido]

is that like a metformin type deal? where it keeps your BG levels low? my insulin sensitivity is pretty great honestly. my BG is always around 85 upon waking up and post cardio/heavy workout. also 2-3 hours after a meal it goes back under 90. and i'm on GH too

Its a little different. Could be combined with HGH for an amazing effect.

Its does a constant release of insulin.

its used for weight loss and for diabetes control.

Super safe. biggest issue was some heart burn constipation.
Fatty foods didn't taste the same to me.

I have ran EC and I prefer this heavily as I do not get tachycardia, blood pressure, or fucked up sleep.

 

[Alphalfa]

I have never used clen, so I can't really compare, but I use salbutamol for asthma and a great side effect is fat loss. My last cut, I used 4 mg/day on training days only (4x/wk) and I cut about 20 lbs of fat over 8 weeks or so. I don't think I cut any muscle (maybe a little) because I was also running tren at the time.

Apparently the best cutting protocol for salbutamol is to combine 2mg with 100mg caffeine... I couldn't find the efficacy study I was looking for on it

4/100.

I linked the study some time ago:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/oby.21163

 

[eery]

I have never used clen, so I can't really compare, but I use salbutamol for asthma and a great side effect is fat loss. My last cut, I used 4 mg/day on training days only (4x/wk) and I cut about 20 lbs of fat over 8 weeks or so. I don't think I cut any muscle (maybe a little) because I was also running tren at the time.

Apparently the best cutting protocol for salbutamol is to combine 2mg with 100mg caffeine... I couldn't find the efficacy study I was looking for on it

this? The effect of caffeine and albuterol on body composition and metabolic rate

200mg caffeine seems to work even better.

 

[theotherguy]

4/100.

I linked the study some time ago:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/oby.21163

That's the exact one I was looking for... I must've seen it on here, I was thinking I saw it elsewhere

 

[ForYourEyesOnly]

Quick question, would the stack be 4mg Albuterol with 200 mg of caffeine 3x a day? I am a female if that matters.

 

[theotherguy]

Quick question, would the stack be 4mg Albuterol with 200 mg of caffeine 3x a day? I am a female if that matters.

4/100 3x/day OR 2/200 is the optimal protocol according to the study.

If I read the study correctly, data wasn't really separated by gender, and the testing was performed on both males and females (I think 1:7 m:f).

 

[ForYourEyesOnly]

Thank you!

 

[MFAAS]

i'm hanging up the towel with clen, it's just not worth it. even at 40mcg the stuff makes me miserable. i'm so on edge and anxious on it and on top of that i have headaches and tired as fuck, i'm just not myself when i take it and it's not worth it. besides, i'm worried about the heart damage.

anyway, i've always known about albuterol but heard it was a weaker clen. how does it stack up compared to clen or EC stack? dosages?

Clen is absolutely stronger than salbutamol. However, salbutamol has a shorter half life and less side effect. IMO if you have are disciplined enough with your diet and training then you can get equal benefits and have just as successful of a cut with salbutamol. IMO salbutamol doesn't get enoug credit around here.

If you read down the page a bit then you can see the studies I shared as hoping a pretty strong fat loss effect with salbutamol: https://thinksteroids.com/community...ta2-adrenergic-compounds-protocols.134408198/

For caffeine I dont consume any after noon for sleep reasons.

I recommend everyone reevaluate their consumption of NSAIDs. The ECA stack is great except for the daily aspirin part. There is tol much research to ignore now, showing that even one week of straight (continuous) NSAID use, heart attack risk increases by double digits--some studies show 30-50%!! This is for ibuprofen, diclofenac, and Naprosyn.

But low dose daily aspirin is supposed to be GOOD for your heart, right?

Well, it furns out it is complicated. For years and years it was a resounding YES. But more recent studies, literally in the last couple years, have shown otherwise.

Aspirin is linked with increased risk of heart failure

Your access to the latest cardiovascular news, science, tools and resources.

www.escardio.org

Specifically low dose daily aspirin is also being reconsidered. Older adults shouldn't start a routine of daily aspirin, task force says

the only reason I put this here is to enourage thought. If we are already taking PEDs that are not good for the heart, then perhaps stacking aspirin on top isnt the best idea. Idk. Definitely something to keep an eye on.

 

[theotherguy]

Clen is absolutely stronger than salbutamol. However, salbutamol has a shorter half life and less side effect. IMO if you have are disciplined enough with your diet and training then you can get equal benefits and have just as successful of a cut with salbutamol. IMO salbutamol doesn't get enoug credit around here.

If you read down the page a bit then you can see the studies I shared as hoping a pretty strong fat loss effect with salbutamol: Clenbuterol focus: Practical Research on Clen & Beta2- Adrenergic Compounds, Protocols

For caffeine I dont consume any after noon for sleep reasons.

I recommend everyone reevaluate their consumption of NSAIDs. The ECA stack is great except for the daily aspirin part. There is tol much research to ignore now, showing that even one week of straight (continuous) NSAID use, heart attack risk increases by double digits--some studies show 30-50%!! This is for ibuprofen, diclofenac, and Naprosyn.

But low dose daily aspirin is supposed to be GOOD for your heart, right?

Well, it furns out it is complicated. For years and years it was a resounding YES. But more recent studies, literally in the last couple years, have shown otherwise.

Aspirin is linked with increased risk of heart failure

Your access to the latest cardiovascular news, science, tools and resources.

www.escardio.org

Specifically low dose daily aspirin is also being reconsidered. Older adults shouldn't start a routine of daily aspirin, task force says

the only reason I put this here is to enourage thought. If we are already taking PEDs that are not good for the heart, then perhaps stacking aspirin on top isnt the best idea. Idk. Definitely something to keep an eye on.

Is aspirin an NSAID? I thought ibuprofen was but not acetaminophen

 

[ForYourEyesOnly]

I have both Clen and Salbutamol on the way. It would be to stack with the current anavar cycle I am on. I am not sure if should go straight to Clen and assess any sides or start with Salbutamol/caffeine stack. I would like to lose some more body fat while keeping my current and future gains from the anavar cycle.

 

[steckdose0]

I have both Clen and Salbutamol on the way. It would be to stack with the current anavar cycle I am on. I am not sure if should go straight to Clen and assess any sides or start with Salbutamol/caffeine stack. I would like to lose some more body fat while keeping my current and future gains from the anavar cycle.

clen is a nasty drug. you feel weaker, you get tachycardia sometimes, you sweat like crazy, anxiety, etc. from what i can tell, being on clen is like the equivalent of doing an extra 30 minutes of cardio a day. probably burns an extra 150-200 calories at best. given the sides i would much rather do that extra cardio or just eat less food.

 

[ForYourEyesOnly]

clen is a nasty drug. you feel weaker, you get tachycardia sometimes, you sweat like crazy, anxiety, etc. from what i can tell, being on clen is like the equivalent of doing an extra 30 minutes of cardio a day. probably burns an extra 150-200 calories at best. given the sides i would much rather do that extra cardio or just eat less food.

Probably best to avoid then and try Albuterol instead. I have been sweating a enough already. Thanks!

 

[Type-IIx]

Clen is absolutely stronger than salbutamol. However, salbutamol has a shorter half life and less side effect. IMO if you have are disciplined enough with your diet and training then you can get equal benefits and have just as successful of a cut with salbutamol. IMO salbutamol doesn't get enoug credit around here.

If you read down the page a bit then you can see the studies I shared as hoping a pretty strong fat loss effect with salbutamol: Clenbuterol focus: Practical Research on Clen & Beta2- Adrenergic Compounds, Protocols

For caffeine I dont consume any after noon for sleep reasons.

I recommend everyone reevaluate their consumption of NSAIDs. The ECA stack is great except for the daily aspirin part. There is tol much research to ignore now, showing that even one week of straight (continuous) NSAID use, heart attack risk increases by double digits--some studies show 30-50%!! This is for ibuprofen, diclofenac, and Naprosyn.

But low dose daily aspirin is supposed to be GOOD for your heart, right?

Well, it furns out it is complicated. For years and years it was a resounding YES. But more recent studies, literally in the last couple years, have shown otherwise.

Aspirin is linked with increased risk of heart failure

Your access to the latest cardiovascular news, science, tools and resources.

www.escardio.org

Specifically low dose daily aspirin is also being reconsidered. Older adults shouldn't start a routine of daily aspirin, task force says

the only reason I put this here is to enourage thought. If we are already taking PEDs that are not good for the heart, then perhaps stacking aspirin on top isnt the best idea. Idk. Definitely something to keep an eye on.

For me the main drawback of clen is the muscle cramps. I've had NECK cramps on clen, not pleasant.

But to me its long half life is a feature not a drawback. How is is beneficial to have to take albuterol 3x daily (not to mention stack it with caffeine while not taking any caffeine after noon)?

Supplemental potassium and taurine help with clen cramping. But, back to the issue of short half life, taurine's plasma elimination half-life is between 0.7 - 1.4 hour. You almost want to be on a 24/7 continuous infusion.

The topic of Aspirin is complicated indeed. For some androgen users, it may be beneficial, specifically for those with high HCT that cannot immediately phlebotomize for whatever reason. Aspirin prevents clotting by inhibiting the cyclooxygenase (COX) enzyme in platelets, thereby↓thrombotic but ↑bleeding risk. There is, unfortunately, a risk of rebound in COX activity, meaning increased risk of a thrombotic event for weeks after Aspirin discontinuation.

 

[Canknucklehead]

I wrote of Clen a while ago...
Terrible muscle cramps, shaking like a leaf looking like I’m on drugs, and the way my heart beats non stop, also bad insomnia.

Currently my favourite burners are:
Green tea (good natural one when taking a break from stimulants)
Caffeine / ephedrine
Yohimbine
Albuterol
T3
DNP

I listed them in ascending strength... plenty of other good fat burners besides Clenbuterol.

 

[hometeam]

They're both beta agonists. The albuterol is more selective for the beta 2 receptor, which is why the less side effects and why it's prescribed for humans for asthma instead of clen. But for weight loss purposes hitting that beta 1 receptor some and certainly the beta 3 receptor is a good thing.