I took the liberty of pasting this from another site so those that are too lazy to click a link can see. I have found many more. VERY INTERESTING READ HERE....
AND YES, you can inject your coke or sprite. But you better heat it up first. HOWEVER, if you want it to taste better to your liver and kidneys, go with the orange pop or Dr pepper. I would still heat those too as that is a lot of suger to feed oranic growth.
Seriously, I am not sure if I want to inject anytihng anymore. But I sure as hell dont want a spot on my thigh to look like a gorilla[
)]. A lot of this information has already been summed up by JAStthace earlier. I am going to find some more...
It turns out that BA & BB are BOTH solvents as well as preservatives. As I have stated before. I think I heard it right when someone told me the BA is used to dilute the oil solution as thus allow molecular space for the test powder. When you see a higher BA content 5% and up. It is probably because some idiot has loaded it up with god knows what as a special bonus to make you think he has "super gear". I am guessing that the higher the BA, the more powder you can get into solution. Interestingly enough, The BB is apparently part of the Delivery system that actually helps suspend the test in your muscle to delay the absorption, As well as a solvent/dilutant, as well as a very poisonous chemical derived from stuff they level towns over. I cant even believe what I have read out looking around tonight... Here it is. it pretty much agrees with most of the data I have found at multiple sources with multiple motives. MOre to come. Enjoy.....
It looks as if Euro-Vet and this Stallion Labs, fucked all the US guys good, Just in 5/18/2007 THIS IS A GOOD THING AS ONLY THE PROS WILL BE LEFT IN THE BUSINESS.
AND THE FACT THAT THIS Stallion Lab Operation is getting its raw hormones from Italy is bullshit!! As Mexico and Italy stopped any type of importing and exporting years ago. Well you all know who to thank as they had been warned about their open marketing and shit poison they had been selling, Euro-vet are just a common drug dealers, their markets are Special "K" and other Drugs, the bullshit anabolics was just a front.
China signed a Act with the encouragement of US Gov. angry fire
passing a law inside china making it ILLEGAL for any Person
,Persons or company to export raw or ready to use hormones to US
backed by stiff penalties enforced by THE US JUSTICE yes I said
enforced by American courts.
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Just found your site and it makes for some interesting reading. I do have a question. For HRT purposes I have been taking Depo Testosterone from my Dr. Reading the information on your site regarding solvents being used in excess by underground labs I am providing the insert from the Depo Testosterone. If my math is correct Pfizer used 20% Benzyl Benzoate in the production of their Testosterone. Far in excess of the 5% you state is acceptable and well above what you claim most UG labs use which you also state is toxic and dangerous. The original Upjohn formula (Depo Testosterone has always been the Cadillac of Anabolics and the standard in which everyone else was compared. I looked up an older Steris and Goldline label as well. Same formulation. Im wondering how the US pharmaceutical companies got it so wrong.
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OUR RESPONSE: 07/23/2007
Hey mate sorry for the late reply, would like to make clear about solvents
I must try and make this clear, as my mates write up was not telling the whole deal, what is going on is there is a large combination of solvents being mixed at one time, not just BB and BA, and the fact many do not truly know what raw hormones they are using, and if the production standards are tech grade or USP, there is also toxic solvents used in this production. And mates are mixing our position on this with IP Pharma out of China. The bottom line it is the combination of solvents, and the product you speak of is meant to be done in small doses and to do 3 to 5 times what the dosing states is common behavior, this is were BB becomes toxic at 20% as you are actually using much more then 20% BB by doing such high dosing, and not following instructions. Most chaps are doing between 500 to 2000 mg per week of Test and many other types of hormones all at high levels of BB and BA, this spells trouble, so we will do our best to clear that up.
WHEN YOU DO YOUR MATH NOW IT EQUALS TOXIC!
Lets explain further;
We here at CLR would like to better explain the use of solvents, primary one Benzyl Benzoate, we had had a reader, and seen several post on the subject of Schering Laboratories use of 100 mg and 200 mg per ml Testosterone Depot (Test Cyp)
First; yes this is correct statement that this DEPOT BASE INJECTION DOES HAVE 20% BB, But we here at CLR are thinking for gods sake mates why and the hell would a company use 20% BB in a Testosterone that takes very little solvent to break down?
Well 99% of the bath tub boys are looking at the picture wrong and basing their facts off of one product a Depot injection product, well you are asking what the difference is? Big difference as the BB is not being used in anyway as a solvent; I personally never use BB as a solvent, but why? The answer is quite simple Once we picked up the telly and called the men in charge. This products number one use is for men with low Natural Testosterone levels, second use that this company has been working on for many years to prefect is its use as male birth control, sorry to say with little success, yes it does work but requires injection at least every 10 to 14 days, This is not practical from a medical stand point. This is where the BB comes into place, in laymens terms BB is used as a bonding agent in so many words the great thing about BB is it bonds to the Testosterone Molecule itself when injected unlike Benzyl Alcohol that the blood washes away within the muscle within minutes leaving the Test crystals behind in the muscle itself, well Schering was working on a way to prolong the absorption of the hormone, and BB is the answer as it does not get washed away by the blood in your muscle, but bonds to the crystals within allowing this product to stay in the system longer at a slower rate of absorption period, hence the term Depot injection, this product is meant to be injected every 7 to 14 day 200 mg per shot, and at 20% BB this is far from toxic to the man that is only using to up his test levels, not the athlete who is trying to build quality lean muscle mass, this is a completely different story!
So many very simple minded twits are tying to convince not only themselves and many others that if a legal lab like Schering is doing this it must be safe, sure it is if you are administering as instructed, but we all know that is not the case, many mates are doing 3 to 10 times this dose in a week and not to add all the other types of hormones they are combining within that same week.
Take this Test Depot and up the dose this many times and you are killing your liver and kidneys period! We hope we do not have to get into this much more as you the athlete should understand what we are trying to say? If not, it is not time for you to be using anabolics period!
We Hope this helps you out, and if you have any further questions please feel free to ask, as we enjoy the many very kind questions being asked with out being morons on the subject. As we are here to try are best to help, and even though all of us have many years under our belts does not mean we are perfect.
Read on and the rest should make better sense, sorry for not making this point clear in the first place.
Stop the Insanity:
This Article and information has been provided by a very well educated Bio Chemist, and who is now one of the top in the world of hormone production Dr. Won Difang:
This Article is to stop the miss information that now floods the Underground forums geared to the Kitchen Chemists and underground labs that actually sell their shit on the open market.
First let me start by saying after months of viewing these underground bodybuilding forums and their so called chemistry threads. All I have seen is miss information and information that is down right deadly in regards to fellows making their own inject able anabolics.
I want to start with the so called High dose products. Many out there live under the theory, if I can produce a 400 or 500mg per ml Testosterone Enanthate for example, I will not have to inject as often, and this will help prevent the scaring of the muscle in the site injection area.
Well in theory it is a nice thought, in the real world it is a
deadly one, and damages the muscle, Kidneys, and liver with a vengeance.
Why, Im sure you are asking? First in order to achieve these mega doses that are not necessary in the first place you must use high %s of solvents, such as Benzyl Alcohol, Benzyl Benzoate, Peg, Pg, Glycerins and Ethyl Oleate, so on and so on. People do not realize that in percentages above 5% this is toxic!!
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Well many will come back and say I have been doing the 20% BB with 3 and 5% BA for a few years with no problems. Think again, and check the injection area, as the muscle will quickly scare so bad that you will be unable to even inject a water base medication in that site area, also the stress that these solvents place on the liver and kidneys is harsh and deadly to some. I even see people using Peg-200, Peg-400, Pg, Glycerins and Ethyl Oleate as there suspensions, so they are able to keep these hormones at these insane doses.
There reasons why in the real industry you do not see such doses nor the use of these toxic solvents in these insane percentages. As it is not necessary (more is not better) Quality is the best. You do not have to take our word for this, just simple research will do it. The Sad part is most people do not even know what these products are, they just see some idiot that has 5000 post on a board and think, WOW he must know what he is talking about, NO! All that means is these fellows have to much time on their hands, and most defiantly do not have time to train, earn a living, and sit hour after hour each day posting threads, that they read from some other idiot.
I have even seen a fellow post on a site that he was a chemist, and he was asking what BA and BB stands for, this was over on a site called
Anabolex.com
this guys handle is Rage101 stay clear of this guy and this Anabolex forum is one of the worst sites we have seen, they are really big on advertising companies that are scammers (Genxxl.com for example) and the information on this site is rubbish. just one of many Their is many young fellows who are impressed with this bloody rubbish, and this is what makes things very dangerous for these fellows. I here time and time again the best way to go is with the a underground labs. The sad part is these days this Is really what is
Left, unless you are lucky enough to be able to shop the pharmacies direct, or get prescriptions from your local Dr. We have been studying over 20+ underground labs and out of those twenty we found 1 underground that is clean, and they are not selling on the open markets(to our knowledge)
I would like to use and example of a product that still floats around in the Mexican Vet Clinics till this day, Reforvit-B spelling may be off but the old school mates know what I speak of. Comes in a 50ml vial 25mg per ml D-Bol with a B-complex suspended in Propylene Glycol with 1ml of a local pain med, so you do not feel the pain of the injection, This product is JUNK, BUT IN ITS DAY WAS WIDELY SOLD. It is great for the horses and cattle. Human use far from it.
The point of this article is to wake some people up. If you are going to produce these products in your kitchen and this is how it is done Is to try to achieve the closet too a GMP standard that you can. 2% BA USP grade, 3 to 5% BB and no more then 200MG on Long chain esters and no more then 75 mg short chain. Autoclaved vials, no more then 10ml.
Your oil USP grade, not your local sams club veggie oil.
Oops Road Block #2, Your raw Hormones, this is as big as a problem then trying to find finished product these days. Well all we can say here at CLR is we offer the proper testing needed, or more extensive then SRCS,
As all can see the Truth about Chinas thirst for the ole mighty Dollar is just now being seen by the masses, and this has blinded this country to the true standards of production that is so very important when it comes to any type of medications, and even fucken dog food is poorly produced. that is some scary shit!!
So if you are reading this site you can not Bitch, as your local raw hormone dealer scams you.
Raw hormones, do you really know what you are getting? Unless you have the proper testing done, you do not! And very few people will ever spend the money to do this "Why" I just can not for the life of me answer that. If I am going to invest even a couple of thousand dollars over a six month period of time, I am going to invest a couple of hundred to have a full analyst test done on the raw materials that I purchase. People must understand as the underground labs grow so does the counterfeiting of the raw materials or cutting them. There are more crooks in this industry then legit people. As the well schooled scammer sees his window of opportunity and jumps on it.
China is the King of copy, Canada are the kings of counterfeiting legit labs. Many people think they can spot a fake, well, wrong as I can take any legit product on the market, and for a relatively small investment make an exact copy, down to the smallest details.
Test products are cheap to buy (if you are connected with the right people) sad to say not many people have this ability, why as they do not have the proper documents to work with reputable operations. So they count on the fellow who says I love this underground lab who just placed 100mg of test Cyp, or Enanthate in a vial, or ampoule, and yes you will make gains. Not knowing what those gains are from.
The more we look into the industry, the more we find it is almost hopeless, as the counterfeiting industry and underground labs dominate the world markets. CLR will be relentless in exposing these labs and there tactics. We are heading to Baja North next week and we will be doing complete filming, pictures, interviews and much more, with the local Farmacias and Vet clinics.
The crooks in the business will do what it takes to try and discredit our consumer agency, all we can tell you is we are here to help. Myself and the many people who are involved with this agency make a very good living, we are just the first to care. Many of these underground forums who back in the old days there intentions were one of honor, now it has turned into the key methods for 99% of the crooks to market their garbage.
I would like to bring up operation gear grinder, who has achieved nothing but the mad rash of underground operations. I have many people ask, why companies like Tornel and Brovel labs who have been in business for over thirty years were placed on the hot list? great question and the answer is, all these companies were guilty of one major factor, all their products were not what they claimed to be, from under dosed, to total fraudulent advertising of the anabolics they sold, this is why the US DEA was able to have a grand jury bring charges against these labs.
I just pulled these pics off of one underground forum, the lab name generic labs. These are things you want to look for. This company is not willing to put quality in its presentation, what makes you think that they will put quality in their products.
The vials they use, are the cheapest on the market, the labels are just a simple print job off a 40 dollar printer, do you really think that their products are produced even close to GMP standards, do you think what ever cheap hormone theyre placing in these vials are USP grade. The bottom line is, if they are not willing to spend the money on a good presentation, what makes you think the product will be any different
COMMON SENSE!!
I would Like to make one thing clear, about my statements in regards to these underground forums, yes it is a place for the new and young fellows to try and learn about cycling, nutrition, training theories Ect. The problem is their cycle theories!! If a cycle calls for 400 mg Deca, 500mg test Cyp. Weekly, and 50mg D-bol Daily. The problem is these fellows are not getting what they think, This is dangerous as these products are being placed directly into there body, and they are taking the word of a person that most likely does not know himself. All we can say, if you are a Kitchen chemist, then do not try to profit off your products (use them for your self) otherwise, all i can recommend is strive to find legit companies, we will do our best to point them out. If you go to Mexico, spend the extra money and by Human grade products not Veterinary, as new labs will begin to hit the Mexican markets following the new laws and are licensed, then you will be fine. As we are going to monitor these new labs very closely.
A few facts I would like to point out. Please take a moment and view this HBO interview
09.02.05 - Are Steroids Safe for Mature Adult Males? WATCH THE HBO VIDEO HERE!
HBO Real Sports aired a segment recently entitled "The Contrarian View" about anabolic steroids. Armen Keteyian, who has been reporting on illegal substances in sports for the past five years, investigates the belief held by some scientists that steroids, when properly administered, cause no harm in mature adult males (the segment emphasizes that the serious risks to teens and women are higher). The proposition seems like here say in the current atmosphere of national steroid hysteria, but HBO concludes that the scientific evidence against enlightened steroid use by adult men is sorely lacking. The persistent myth that steroids killed Lyle Alzado is properly debunked, and anti-steroid authority Dr. Gary Wadler seems flustered when pressed for proof to support his claims that steroid use by mature adults is "Russian Roulette." Given the many millions of users spanning nearly five decades, the fact that an exhaustive review could turn up only twelve deaths purportedly linked to steroids (and some of these are reportedly very questionable) suggests that the risks are much less than for some accepted cosmetic surgery procedures. Keteyan ends the piece with a surprising apology for helping to spread unfounded information in his previous stories on the subject. You can safely download and view the video here. For an even more comprehensive review of the subject, check out Legal Muscle.
I feel this a very educational interview! And would like to point out one major point of this interview, the two fellows who are being interviewed that have extensive background and years of the use of synthetic hormones,
Both have one thing common, they are using proper pharmaceutical drugs, not the high dose kitchen crap that floods todays markets, If they would have been, I can assure this interview would not have taken place (as they most likely would be dead from liver and kidney disease) were did this high dose insanity start? Well the concept was conceived by Denkall Labs, but there was one major factor, as the doses that had been advertised, were not truly that dose, as the people producing this product knew what it would take to produce these mega doses, it all was a marketing gimmick, that soon many quickly followed in Mexico (I speak of the legal operations) these DR.s may have misinformed the public, but they were not going to kill them. The facts are this, this concept is now being taken serous within the kitchen chemist home brewer, its only been about 2 years that this insanity has been put into real practice, I can assure in other 2 to 5 years the body count will soon rise. I already know of two persons dead do to this insanity, the numbers will build. People do not realize that these Mexican professors may have lied about the dosing to scam the American into buying and inflate there pricing. They were not about to poison the consumer. This is a fact!!!
Once again, do not take our word for it, just make communication with the people that are real chemist involved in the developing of these hormones, you will get the same answer. THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES!!!
In conclusion:
These are the guidelines that we all want to keep at when producing anything that is injected into our bodies, and the reasons are obvious !!
The FDA requires that only sterile and pure ingredients be used in the manufacture of drug products. **Good Manufacturing Practice (GMP) **
The standards for such assurance are set forth by the United States Pharmacopeia (USP), which is an independently owned and funded organization comprised mainly of health care professionals. USP's standards are recognized and used in many other countries, some of which have established their own similar organizations. In the United Kingdom, for example, one can find the organization British Pharmacopeia (BP). You have probably seen these abbreviations before. If you look at an ingredients list for a drug in the U.S., for example, it should list something like Arimidex, USP. This should look something like Tomexifan, BP if the paperwork were for a British drug. USP/BP guidelines are fairly complex, but in general assure that each ingredient item is manufactured, filtered, sterilized, and validated to specific high standards. Ingredients that meet USP/BP standards are more costly to procure than those that meet lesser standards of food grade ingredients, which are often used to make dietary supplements. Sterile Components
All containers used for the packaging of a drug product in the U.S. must be sterile, airtight, and tamperproof. If the container is the type that is opened on more than one occasion, it must be designed so that it remains airtight after each closing. The container itself must be made of inert, non-shedding, sterilize able and cleanable materials, such as glass, plastic, aluminum, or stainless steel. All components in the container closure system must be inspected for proper seal. First, the compatibility of the various components and ingredients must be demonstrated beforehand by experimentation. This is to be validated with a microbiological penetration test. Any component with visible manufacturing flaw must be discarded. Any cleaning process used with the containers and closures must also be validated for sterility, and all final assembly of sterile components must take place inside a sterile (clean) room. Containers should be closed immediately after filling and sampling to avoid contamination and the uptake of moisture.
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INSULIN USAGE - GOOD OR BAD?
- by Mick Hart
(Taken from the Layman's Guide to Steroids Books)
If you have turned to this page in the hope that you will be
able to pick up the latest methods of taking insulin whilst
training, then I am afraid that you are going to be greatley
disappointed indeed. I am sorry, you have not been misled,
hence the reason for this explanation at the beginning of
this chapter.
My point? Well, I have been in this sport for many many
years now and I am proud to say (touching wood at this
moment) I have NEVER in all that time had any serious
problems with taking steroids that could be regarded as
news.
The odd spotty zit, a lack of the old hardy har har, a
headache from the tablets that a once spunk bubble of an
arse hole dealer sold me years ago, that turned out to be
something from his mums medicine cabinet throw out day (he
ended up eating them all), but really nothing at to be
bothered about.
(Ahem - please read the next few lines a couple of times as
it is a JOKE and I want you to fucking well understand that
please - thank you!)
I have had more pricks (needles people) in my arse than a
second hand dartboard and Old Mother Hubbards pin cushion!
(End of joke!)
Steroids, yep I know them just about as good as anyone
around this shit tip world and that is a fact. Most of ?em
know the scientific names off by heart better than me any
day and can even recite their basic molecular structure
whilst snapping their knackers together like a pair of
Spanish maracas (spell?) but really, look at the picture of
my face my friend! Does it look as if I give a fuck?
I know what most gears feel like and what they do when they
are in the body, what combinations and how they react in
almost ALL cycles and stacks.
Why?
Because I have took them, trained on them for myself and
hundreds of champs over the world. Hey, anyone can read a
book and learn a word or two - agree?
What I can say is that I have not taken this insulin shit
and trained on it. You can now ask yourselves how can he
comment about it? I can, simply because I have seen so many
people try and get their levels as close to the norm as
possible.
It is my own opinion and I am not giving you advice on how
to take it, I am saying that if you do, then here are the
problems that CAN occur - and do! I don't know the totally
correct or indeed safest way to advise on something that can
cause so much problems to a healthy body when there is no
need for it at all.
Like many other people, I would seek the BEST advice
possible if I could. Even then, could I be that sure?
Of course not - that is why the margins are so small. Too
risky me old sparras. Why fuck up the blood sugar level that
is most likely working perfectly well?
You have no idea how quick you can die using this shit IF
you get it wrong. What price low fat?
I know the next thoughts of the anti-steroid league even
before they have finished reading this bit. Could it be
something like, "How can he say that about insulin for
instance when he (and many others like him) pump themselves
full of the steroid shit that they do?"
Easy really, please tell me why the streets are not lined
with dead bodybuilders who have DIRECTLY died as a result of
taking steroids? Anyone's hand up? Thought not. Now piss off
please! Line up the heroin has beens and 'are nows will ya?.
This should be fun.
There has been, however, many unfortunate people who have
died as a result of taking OTHER shit ALONG with steroids
and we all know it. The press get a hold of it and it's bye
bye bodybuilding reputation once again. As we are about to
look at the insulin problem as we know it now, I can say
that there has been quite a few deaths because of it and yet
we only get to know about it when a bodybuilder dies!
How come?
Steroids were said to be so bad for us long ago even before
anyone they had really tested them. They also said that we
would suffer in time to come as we bodybuilders did not know
what the long term side effects of steroids would be.
Apparently, we were to suffer and find out ourselves in
time. I think the twat who said that was writing the paper
with his top lip stapled up. He or she, wrote it so long ago
that I don't think that there has been anything on this
planet that has had more of a chance to wait for bad side
effects than steroids have.
Oh by the way, during the time that they were waiting to
laugh there bollocks of at us and see us mutate into big
bollocked crazy, headed psychotic sex crazed maniacs;
steroids have been healing people as well for all these
years.
What a shit side effect eh?
Ah well, I must away and check the size of my gonads and
also get on with the task of explaining to you lot how easy
it is for you to drop down dead quicker than a whores
knickers if you are stupid enough to use insulin. Here we
go......
WHAT IS INSULIN?
Millions of people around the world who suffer from
Diabetes, rely on insulin every day in order to keep them
alive. They need this because Diabetes occurs when the gland
that lies behind the stomach, called the pancreas, fails to
produce sufficient insulin which is needed to handle the
starches and sugars (carbs) that we eat.
These in turn are broken down to a sugar substance called
glucose; insulin is needed to convert glucose to energy. If
our bodies cannot produce it naturally, then many problems
can occur.
Please bear with me whilst I try and explain the care that
diabetics HAVE to take in order to live an ordinary day to
day life AND stay alive.
Basically what happens is that without the necessary amounts
of insulin required, the levels of glucose in the blood
rises and actually spills over into the urine which in turn
causes large volumes of urine to be passed.
The body, not being able to convert the glucose to energy,
then becomes excessively tired. If this problem is not
treated with insulin, several other symptoms then can follow
immediately which usually are: extreme thirst, vomiting and
drowsiness for a start.
HYPO' DANGERS
The extreme problem that diabetics have to watch out for is
a ?Hypo' or an Insulin Reaction. ?Hypo' is short for
hypoglycaemia which actually means ?low blood sugar'. I have
been told that ?Hypos' can actually occur for no apparent
reason but are mainly brought on if a sufferer also either
does one or more of the following:
* Takes more exercise than they normally would.
* Eat less than the correct dietary allowance required.
* Miss or postpone a meal or snack.
* INJECT THE WRONG DOSE OF INSULIN!
I feel that this section is so important that all of the
other symptoms need highlighting also. These can be as
follows:
Blurred vision - excitement - tingling sensations in lips,
fingers or tongue - weakness - confusion - pallor - hunger
- nervousness - sweating -irritability and palpitations.
I have highlighted the fourth reason in the ?Hypos Dangers'
section purely for the bodybuilders alone. Not to imply that
the 1, 2 and 3 are no less important to diabetics, but they
are NOT as important to non-diabetics as is the last one to
us (or any other non-diabetic sufferer of course).
The main reason for this section on insulin and it's use in
this sport is to explain simply that hypoglycaemia can be
caused simply by getting the dosage WRONG!
One other terrible side effects from an incorrect dosage of
insulin is that you could slip into a coma from which death
can also occur. With the greatest of respect to all those
who suffer from Diabetes, I have learned longer.
It is as simple as this, if your calculations are wrong by
the slightest margins you can die - period! You could fall
into a coma and also die, the margin of error is that close.
Finally, you must consider this.
Maybe one of the reasons you have bought this book is to
find out different methods such as the usage of insulin etc.
I am sorry if I have disappointed you but I cannot advise on
something that I know personally we do not need in this
sport.
The risks are too high. Even if you were to consult your
local G.P. and ask for advise on the use of insulin whilst
bodybuilding, he too would not be able to be that accurate.
Should the pro's deem it necessary, then that is up to them.
To be honest, life at the top cannot be that good especially
when living on borrowed time is not an option.
- by Mick Hart
:: An extract from "Steroids: The Layman's Guide II" ::
Read more about the best selling "Layman's Guides to
Steroids I and II" here:-
The Layman's Guides to Steroids > by Mick Hart
Train Hard,
- Mick Hart.
Founder of Mick Hart Training Systems and
the No Bull Collection Magazine.
