Anabolic Steroids and Collagen

Gaia262

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This is something I found on another forum, so I don't take credit.

I'm interested in anti-ageing , and mitigating the negative impact steroids can have on skin, hair and organ health.

Anavar has been shown to increase collegen synthesis, and to also strengthen tendons...Here is a study I found, it mentions Anavar and other drugs and how they affect Tendons.

While injecting test increases protein syntesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.

Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.

Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen syn while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.

Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.

You can plan a cycle of anabolic androgenic steroids which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.

Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use anabolic androgenic steroids like sus, testosteron cypionate, or testosteron enanthate.
While testosteron will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.

To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - , Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , Anavar, or Primobolan - methenolone - as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - , Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , anavar and Primobolan - methenolone - will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosteron is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.

Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood

Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and equipoise but still substantial.

Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - .

Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies doenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.

These drugs have longer half-lives than most other anabolic androgenic steroids, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:

Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - : 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days

Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.

gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, human growth hormone - somatropin - at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.

Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - , Primobolan - methenolone - , anavar, and Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - just seems to do so most dramatically.

Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosteron doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosteron, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain anabolic androgenic steroids -- the decision is up to you
 
Please let me know if this is good or bad information.

I don't see any threads discussing collagen (skin) . And wanted to hear your opinions.

I am sure this can remain productive with clean use of language.
 
Congrats “bro” you ran a google search and can copy and paste! I wouldn’t worry about collagen synthesis or anabolics at all for quite some time until you fix all the shit currently wrong with your training, diet and state of mind.

If you spent a little time properly getting acquainted with the forum, you’d realize there’s quite a lot of discussion on this and within the profiles. Instead you just run your little brittle fingers and troll
 
Guts like you think that guys like us are hiding this big secret from you. You think that steroids ate the bandaid that will compensate for your lack of a proper diet plan and intensity in the gym. The time you wasted researching this shit is the time you should have spent with a calculator and a pen and paper and started outlining your new dietary plans. But nope you refuse to believe that steroids aren't this magic bean that will fix all of your problems. I can't stress this enough my man, if you fixed your diet and training tor 6 weeks youd be blown away by the results. For real if you just focused on the diet and dialed it in people would ask you if you were taking something because your starting to grow quickly. I've seen your pictures and dude you dont look like you even lift let alone lifting for as long as you say you have. You have so much room to grow as a natural and you're gonna fuck it all up with gear.

I suspect you have some depression issues dude to your content on here and I think you really need to start looking into what's in store for you when you decide to come off the gear and your testosterone tanks and you hit the post cycle depression.
 
Congrats “bro” you ran a google search and can copy and paste! I wouldn’t worry about collagen synthesis or anabolics at all for quite some time until you fix all the shit currently wrong with your training, diet and state of mind.

If you spent a little time properly getting acquainted with the forum, you’d realize there’s quite a lot of discussion on this and within the profiles. Instead you just run your little brittle fingers and troll
Theres literally a sticky thread with all that information, all he had to do was look.
 
You weigh 145 lbs. You eat like a bird. You can go on whatever cycle that you want and I guarantee that you'll lose everything that you gained in a month.

Stop with the pointless research and eat some food. Download Myfitnesspal, enter your stats and goals and put in the work at the gym. You're trying to skip to step 6 when you don't even have the basics of step 1 down.

Don't worry about optimal rep ranges, anabolic / androgenic ratios and all of that shit. You aren't there yet. You're at "Eat more fucking food" so do it.

That's how every person ever put on size. You aren't going to game the system somehow by researching more than you work out.
 
You weigh 145 lbs. You eat like a bird. You can go on whatever cycle that you want and I guarantee that you'll lose everything that you gained in a month.

Stop with the pointless research and eat some food. Download Myfitnesspal, enter your stats and goals and put in the work at the gym. You're trying to skip to step 6 when you don't even have the basics of step 1 down.

Don't worry about optimal rep ranges, anabolic / androgenic ratios and all of that shit. You aren't there yet. You're at "Eat more fucking food" so do it.

That's how every person ever put on size. You aren't going to game the system somehow by researching more than you work out.
Right here is the best advice you'll get. Eat and train
 
You weigh 145 lbs. You eat like a bird. You can go on whatever cycle that you want and I guarantee that you'll lose everything that you gained in a month.

Stop with the pointless research and eat some food. Download Myfitnesspal, enter your stats and goals and put in the work at the gym. You're trying to skip to step 6 when you don't even have the basics of step 1 down.

Don't worry about optimal rep ranges, anabolic / androgenic ratios and all of that shit. You aren't there yet. You're at "Eat more fucking food" so do it.

That's how every person ever put on size. You aren't going to game the system somehow by researching more than you work out.
@Gaia262 I wish I could print this 2000 times and staple it together and then beat you over the fucking head with it until you understand or youre too fucking braindead to remember why I was hitting you with it in the first place. But one thing is for sure by the time I got done youd stop wasting time researching AAS cause you're so fucking far from needing anabolics it's like Antarctica to the north pole far with you!
 
I have listened to your advices on these threads and through private messaging and have decided not to continue looking into Steroids. when factoring the risk and rewards aswell as my personal starting point and motivations.

I don't appreciate being spoken down to but am smart enough to read between the lines on what you guys are trying to say.

I can see your overall intentions are good, and thank you for that.

If someone can tag a mod to lock/ban my account that would be helpful.
 
I have listened to your advices on these threads and through private messaging and have decided not to continue looking into Steroids. when factoring the risk and rewards aswell as my personal starting point and motivations.

I don't appreciate being spoken down to but am smart enough to read between the lines on what you guys are trying to say.

I can see your overall intentions are good, and thank you for that.

If someone can tag a mod to lock/ban my account that would be helpful.
Good for you. I'm honestly happy that you came to this understanding if youd have wound up o the wrong site they would have encouraged you to take them and filled your head with bullshit just to get you to buy their product. It may not be pleasant here at times but most of the members here have the best intentions when they ride your ass like they did.
 
I have listened to your advices on these threads and through private messaging and have decided not to continue looking into Steroids. when factoring the risk and rewards aswell as my personal starting point and motivations.

I don't appreciate being spoken down to but am smart enough to read between the lines on what you guys are trying to say.

I can see your overall intentions are good, and thank you for that.

If someone can tag a mod to lock/ban my account that would be helpful.

I'm not talking down to you at all. I'm just telling you that you're trying to vacuum around the giant elephant in the room.
 
Since i've been taking 5 grams a day for two years of a type 1,2,3 collagen, my injury rate is nothing like it used to be. And i believe i heal way faster.
 
I have listened to your advices on these threads and through private messaging and have decided not to continue looking into Steroids. when factoring the risk and rewards aswell as my personal starting point and motivations.

I don't appreciate being spoken down to but am smart enough to read between the lines on what you guys are trying to say.

I can see your overall intentions are good, and thank you for that.

If someone can tag a mod to lock/ban my account that would be helpful.
This place is amazing for information. I don’t think the community wants to see you gone. Quite the contrary. You should stay and you’ll learn WAY more than any other forum. I’ve been on many and have stuck to this one for 2-3 years. Learned way more about nutrition training and about life. Go check out some people’s training logs. You will be able to offer more than you might realize in the up coming months of figuring things out for yourself using the information provided by these people.

Also nothing wrong with learning about steroids just don’t touch them or use them until you’re ready.

there is a lot of banter that goes on but honestly people here care for the most part.
 
This place is amazing for information. I don’t think the community wants to see you gone. Quite the contrary. You should stay and you’ll learn WAY more than any other forum. I’ve been on many and have stuck to this one for 2-3 years. Learned way more about nutrition training and about life. Go check out some people’s training logs. You will be able to offer more than you might realize in the up coming months of figuring things out for yourself using the information provided by these people.

Also nothing wrong with learning about steroids just don’t touch them or use them until you’re ready.

there is a lot of banter that goes on but honestly people here care for the most part.
I'd have to disagree here. No offense meant but he needs to focus his attention elsewhere. After listening to his diet plan and seeing his physique I'd put him squarely in the beginner category. I dont care how long he has been lifting he clearly doesn't know what hes doing. We dont focus on beginner diet plans and training here. At his stage of bodybuilding we have very little to offer. And I believe the longer he hangs out here that curiosity will take over and he'll jump on a ill advised cycle thinking he "knows enough" to get by and fuck himself up with a injury or worse something internal. There are plenty of good forums and websites out there with the info he needs as a beginner. We however do not focus on that material and info so until hes got a couple years under his belt he'd be better off studying and learning on a site geared towards him.
 
I'd have to disagree here. No offense meant but he needs to focus his attention elsewhere. After listening to his diet plan and seeing his physique I'd put him squarely in the beginner category. I dont care how long he has been lifting he clearly doesn't know what hes doing. We dont focus on beginner diet plans and training here. At his stage of bodybuilding we have very little to offer. And I believe the longer he hangs out here that curiosity will take over and he'll jump on a ill advised cycle thinking he "knows enough" to get by and fuck himself up with a injury or worse something internal. There are plenty of good forums and websites out there with the info he needs as a beginner. We however do not focus on that material and info so until hes got a couple years under his belt he'd be better off studying and learning on a site geared towards him.
To be honest I don't see dieting as being all that advanced unless you're preparing for a show. Idk if there is such a thing as a beginner diet plan. You basically eat the same thing most of your life doing this. Learning to mix it up and create your own meals, but the concepts stay the same. Eat to grow eat, eat less to cut down. Beginner to me is just simply eating, intermediate you get your nutrient timing down and then advanced id say its balancing electrolytes and micro nutrients etc. Training too. I learned to train by watching big guys train. Injured my self a few times and learned to correct myself. Without the information I would have no idea. But me going out of my way to correct myself and look for reasoning behind things is a quality I have. You cant teach someone to do that. It’s up to him too. I read bodybuilding.com and all the other bullshit forums and still never got as good info.
 
Who the fuck are y to tell me to use low t or other way I would be injured, you don't even juice.
Fuvk your self I'm cycling 1000mg minimum test without injuries and I'm not a genetic freak
Open your mouth and go to the gym NERD!!!
 
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