Another HCG Q

[MANWHORE]

Has anyone here ever used HCG alone without Clomid,Test,etc? .. I just want to increase my sexdrive a little but mostly looking for the mood enhancement i hear about. I was thinking of doing a few shots a week with about 250IUs ea shot. I read a few things about it on here but still not sure because i see others using test with it. Can someone give me some advice on what doses and schedule should be good for me? .. My testicles hang very low and sexdrive is there but not like when i was younger of course so i'm not really looking to bring back or rather ... well,i'm not looking to use as PCT,i just want a little boost in sexdrive and mood. thanks

 

[earthdog]

Manwhore,

There are a couple of posts by DavidZ describing in detail how he uses hCG and DIM alone for TRT (no test). He gets good results with it. I think if you search for posts by DavidZ with the word 'primer' in the subject line you'll find them. I think there was a part 1, part 2, etc.

 

[MANWHORE]

Manwhore,

There are a couple of posts by DavidZ describing in detail how he uses hCG and DIM alone for TRT (no test). He gets good results with it. I think if you search for posts by DavidZ with the word 'primer' in the subject line you'll find them. I think there was a part 1, part 2, etc.

thanks alot i'll check but what's DIM ...Diindolylmethane (DIM) is a naturally occurring substance found primarily in cruciferous vegetables (e.g., cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts, etc.) that helps the liver digest/metabolize Estradiol into more benign/healthy estrogens ... got it

 

[earthdog]

Right on about DIM. Some of the guys here are using it in lieu of Arimidex, to lower E2, with great results. The current speculation/question is, will it help high total estrogen, which I have? The jury is still out for me. I'll know whether it's working for me or not (I suspect not) at my next labs.

 

[MANWHORE]

Right on about DIM. Some of the guys here are using it in lieu of Arimidex, to lower E2, with great results. The current speculation/question is, will it help high total estrogen, which I have? The jury is still out for me. I'll know whether it's working for me or not (I suspect not) at my next labs.

I'm not even sure what E2 is. I guess i could look but i'd say it's a bad thing. I never worried about estrogen as far as gyno goes but maybe i should look it up anyway

 

[Weatherlite]

E2 is a specific type of Estrogen called Estrodiol. It's supposed to be the worst one of them all (I guess there's a LOT of different estrogens out there). This is the main culprit behind a lot of problems for men such as gyno. It's also been implicated in libido problems (ask pmgamer-he'll verify) prostate problems and even acne just to name a few. It's important to keep it low but not too low as that can even cause more problems than it being too high.

 

[MANWHORE]

I was going to mention estradiol and i knew it was one of or THE worst type but i wasn't sure so i kept my mouth shut .... I never had problems with gyno and i've been saying this for a long time and even said i don't use Anti Es because estrogen doesn't bother me but now i'm having second thoughts after talking about it here. ... Every time i stop AAS i feel better in a way that i can't describe. i feel an increase in sexdrive and strength and even confidence while on AAS but when i come off i guess i kind of feel like ... i don't know. maybe i will figure it out and i was going to say i am more cut but even when i am on i can see abs when i flex. Like i said the more muscle the more cuts . i know but maybe i should get on some Nolva next cycle unless i use Tren and i think i will with HCG. Yes,i will use Tren Enan and Sust just as i wanted to and then add in the HCG because i've never used that before and think that may be a reason i feel better off... having lowered my natural test and when i come off it increases making me feel alot better but in what way i can't explain ... i hear the Tren will lower water retention while on Test so i may not need the Nolva. I've never used more than 250mg/week of Test while on Tren so i'm not sure if that works or not. I will try it. Man,is that confusing or what ... i'm just thinking out loud sorry about that. damn i remember when i got my 1st comp it took me 2 minutes to type 1 word and now i am pretty damn good at this if i do say so myself .. my fingers need a rest and i have to go get the laundry out of the dryer at the laundrymat and fold the cloths. My favorate part of the week ... PS if you just read all that then your crazier than i am

 

[earthdog]

I read the whole thing, LOL! But you know, Swale's gonna spank you for posting cycle info in here.

 

[MANWHORE]

I read the whole thing, LOL! But you know, Swale's gonna spank you for posting cycle info in here.

O SHIT i'm sorry i forgot i posted this on Mens Health ... I just check my subscriptions an reply to answers. Should i delete it? After all that typeing .. HELL NO!
OK if he wants me to i will

 

[Weatherlite]

You'll get spanked a little....of course you've already been spanked by us so he may let you off easy! lol

In all seriousness, you are cycling, yes, but you also are on HRT if I recall correctly. So, any HRT discussion would be fine obviously. However, in your case, since you also cycle, it MAY be OK at times to discuss some of your cycle info otherwise we wouldn't be able to accurately talk about certain issues. (kinda like not giving yer doc all the info but still expecting him to make an accurate diagnosis)

I know a guy on another board who cycles and is also on HRT due to his 20+years of AAS use shutting him down permanently. To ensure his HRT is fine during his off cycle times you have to know what he does during his cycles.

Then again....it's SWALE's forum so I guess he'll ultimately decide.

 

[SWALE]

MANWHORE, if you decide to adequately spank yourself, we'll let you off easy this time.

The worse estrogens are the 16-alpha-hydroxyestrones and 4-hydroxyestrones.

 

[MANWHORE]

MANWHORE, if you decide to adequately spank yourself, we'll let you off easy this time.

I'll have my wife spank me later

 

[Weatherlite]

I'll have my wife spank me later

 

[Weatherlite]

Swale, if those are the nasty ones then why do we concentrate so much on E2?