Another Todd Lee Thread...

[hard_gains]

this is BBing not a male modeling, i think we can acknowledge facial changes without sounding like a bunch of mean girl females talking shit about other women

Agree

"Takes a sip of a Starbucks pumpkin spice latte, with cold foam, lite ice, extra expresso, and topped with cinnamon. "

 

[Bandern]

I support him and his current role in the YouTube bb industrial complex.

People listen to Todd Lee The Fake Doctor voluntarily. If Todd Lee The Home Depot Employee was forced upon me I’d give myself a drill bit makeover

 

[adrenalytic]

it makes your tissues/cells newer or fresher, but this is not related to the cosmetic appearance of looking like youre a younger age, overall. it does the same thing regardless of dose

The one thing Todd said that actually made sense to me was that as we age into our 40's and beyond that we lose some natural GH production so aging tends to accelerate. By taking a replacement dose you essentially "slowly age" as if you were in your 20's-30's.

Anecdotally, everyone likes to bring up Stallone as a prime example of this. Yes, he's still aging but he looks nowhere near your typical 80 year old. More like 60 something.

 

[adrenalytic]

this is BBing not a male modeling, i think we can acknowledge facial changes without sounding like a bunch of mean girl females talking shit about other women

Douchebaggery out begs for douchebaggery in return.

 

[BigDadd7]

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Anecdotally, everyone likes to bring up Stallone as a prime example of this. Yes, he's still aging but he looks nowhere near your typical 80 year old. More like 60 something.

Maybe a hard 68. Lol

 

[explodingHeart]

This is completely unscientific, but it *feels* like the collective wisdom of many individual users, after trial and error, seem to settle on 8iu as the point beyond which it's diminishing returns. I'm sure this varies based on individual factors. but if a study was ever released that concluded 8iu is the max practical dose for most people, I wouldn't be surprised.

Any idea how Todd destroyed his face?

Normally I'd say "being huge" does it, but he was only 170lbs on stage at 5'4 or 5'5.

I looked at his pics 12 years ago, and he legit had a handsome face at age 33 or so, but small arms, not much muscle at all.

It's like half the mass he built went to his waist and head.

This guy is part of the reason I've quit GH over 3iu and dumped any plans to blast gear again.

 

[Liter O' Test]

dumped any plans to blast gear again.

i dont think just gear does it,
if you look at BB in 70s 80s and the lower tier guys in the 90s none of them look particularly aged. seems to correlate with higher up guys having access to more GH and over time GH being cheaper and more available

 

[adrenalytic]

Any idea how Todd destroyed his face?

Normally I'd say "being huge" does it, but he was only 170lbs on stage at 5'4 or 5'5.

I looked at his pics 12 years ago, and he legit had a handsome face at age 33 or so, but small arms, not much muscle at all.

It's like half the mass he built went to his waist and head.

This guy is part of the reason I've quit GH over 3iu and dumped any plans to blast gear again.

Watch the video I posted in the OP

He also blames his haggard meth looking face on 26 IUs/day of GH (his explanation is that your skin grows on those high doses and gets more wrinkles as a result). Dubious about that but OK.

 

[Ghoul]

Any idea how Todd destroyed his face?

Normally I'd say "being huge" does it, but he was only 170lbs on stage at 5'4 or 5'5.

I looked at his pics 12 years ago, and he legit had a handsome face at age 33 or so, but small arms, not much muscle at all.

It's like half the mass he built went to his waist and head.

This guy is part of the reason I've quit GH over 3iu and dumped any plans to blast gear again.

Long term high IGF from rHGH can widen and coarsen facial features. It's acromegaly, basically. It makes you ugly, not old. Keep IGF in check and this is unlikely to happen.



(a rare documented clinical case of acromegaly face from 5 years of excessively high IGF levels.)

However, premature wrinkles, loss of elasticity, larger pores, loss of subcutaneous facial fat, all traditional "aging" signs are effects of high dose AAS use over long periods of time, not rHGH.

 

[Scruf]

Todd Lee is entirely out of his mind. He has something going on mentally and makes the most ridiculous claims. In my opinion, Kurt Havens is far more knowledgeable.

 

[explodingHeart]

Long term high IGF from rHGH can widen and coarsen facial features. It's acromegaly, basically. It makes you ugly, not old. Keep IGF in check and this is unlikely to happen.

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(a rare documented clinical case of acromegaly face from 5 years of excessively high IGF levels.)

However, premature wrinkles, loss of elasticity, larger pores, loss of subcutaneous facial fat, all traditional "aging" signs are effects of high dose AAS use over long periods of time, not rHGH.

Side note. If he doesn't dye his hair, it's unreal his hair is that dark as 60.

 

[explodingHeart]

i dont think just gear does it,
if you look at BB in 70s 80s and the lower tier guys in the 90s none of them look particularly aged. seems to correlate with higher up guys having access to more GH and over time GH being cheaper and more available

Did we ever find out the source of the bubble gut? Was it GH? Or the insulin resistance from GH? Or just being too large in general?

IMO, nothing is worth increasing the size of your waist. Better to be skinny with a thin waist than huge with an average or large waist. Aesthetically at least.

 

[RockyP]

Did we ever find out the source of the bubble gut? Was it GH? Or the insulin resistance from GH? Or just being too large in general?

IMO, nothing is worth increasing the size of your waist. Better to be skinny with a thin waist than huge with an average or large waist. Aesthetically at least.

Agreed. As legendary as Cutler’s quad stomp image is, his waist was pretty huge that year.

 

[Deadpool99]

Did we ever find out the source of the bubble gut? Was it GH? Or the insulin resistance from GH? Or just being too large in general?

IMO, nothing is worth increasing the size of your waist. Better to be skinny with a thin waist than huge with an average or large waist. Aesthetically at least.

It’s not just GH and not just insulin, full stop.
I believe it’s the stacked effect of:

Chronic GH/IGF-1 exposure which proven to enlarge visceral organs (liver, intestines, heart) in acromegaly; colon remodeling and intestinal growth documented.

GH-induced insulin resistance which GH acutely raises free fatty acids, antagonizes insulin, and reduces glucose uptake; chronic effect is impaired insulin sensitivity.

Exogenous insulin + hyperinsulinemia which promotes visceral adipose accumulation and organ volume expansion when layered on GH and calorie surplus.

Excessive food intake/overfeeding which also increases gastric capacity and abdominal loading; competitive eaters show stomach adaptation and distension without drugs.

 

[Ghoul]

Did we ever find out the source of the bubble gut? Was it GH? Or the insulin resistance from GH? Or just being too large in general?

IMO, nothing is worth increasing the size of your waist. Better to be skinny with a thin waist than huge with an average or large waist. Aesthetically at least.

Probably insulin resistance from insulin use leading to high amounts of visceral fat packed around the organs. Chronic over feeding makes this worse. In that environment those fat cells become very resistant to lipolysis, eventually becoming fibrotic.

There's also the well documented enlargement of intestines from rHGH "visceral organ hypertrophy".

All that combined permanently stretches out the gut. Even if you quit the gear, the intestines shrink, and you manage to ditch the visceral fat, surgery is required to pull the separated abdominal muscles back together. Once they stay stretched for a while, they don't spring back and the gut still protrudes.. This happens with obesity and pregnancy too.

 

[Liter O' Test]

Did we ever find out the source of the bubble gut? Was it GH? Or the insulin resistance from GH? Or just being too large in general?

IMO, nothing is worth increasing the size of your waist. Better to be skinny with a thin waist than huge with an average or large waist. Aesthetically at least.

IMO its using slin. Seems like everyone uses slin and puts on like 20lbs of water initially and then blows out their gut chasing the numbers on the scale, just full of water retention, and i think gets even worse because by the time they start using slin, many BB have an eating disorder and start slamming packs of oreo cookies and having big swings in BG and weight.

I think theres something about insulin/high blood sugar that leads to a ton of water in the torso that stretches things out.

The biggest guts ive seen are from the people who use insulin the most, independent of food and hgh and the people who have the smallest waists never used insulin.

BB like to pretend its just the food, and that youre going to grow a big waist no matter what in order to eat all the food you have to to get to that size, but you dont see that waist in athletes or high metabolism people that eat 5k+ calories per day. like where is michael phelps gut? why dont hardgainer kids chuging milk and poptarts and whole cakes to put on weight have these guts


you see it in fat people that are probably diabetic and probably taking insulin or blood sugar high enough to just be full of water. and you see it in BB who start their first real bulk with slin and go up 30lbs in a cycle (illusion) and especially in guys that use lantus

 

[deuces_00]

Would also just mention that for a 100kg male, 9 iu is the upper limit beyond which you get cardiac remodeling effects. No bueno..

Where can I read on this/where have you heard this? Would love to look into this more as I am planning on starting GH in few months time.

 

[Elektrobot]

Where can I read on this/where have you heard this? Would love to look into this more as I am planning on starting GH in few months time.

Here: Read all about it

 

[deuces_00]

Here: Read all about it

Just posted introduction post.

Now - where can I read on this/where have you heard this? Would love to look into this more as I am planning on starting GH in few months time.

Thanks !

 

[RockyP]

Just posted introduction post.

Now - where can I read on this/where have you heard this? Would love to look into this more as I am planning on starting GH in few months time.

Thanks !