Tbaz192
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I ran E for 10-12 weeks at that time. Hopped off due to the length and labs took a hit obviously
MESO-Rx
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Another Tren A vs E
- Thread starter SwolieGuacamole
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SwolieGuacamole
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400mg entire duration?
Tbaz192
Member
First few weeks 200 titrated up to 400mg pretty quick
RockyP
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What lab aberrations did you notice that made you come off?
Tbaz192
Member
Cholesterol was hammered. & CBC was elevated.
All over the place and I don’t like to be slamming gear too long. Even if I feel fine I’ll come off. Especially since Tren is so strong
RockyP
Member
lol Dr Todd Lee says Tren doesn’t touch lipids while simultaneously telling everyone to blast masteron which we know kills lipids. Glad you got your results and hopped off when you did.
Tbaz192
Member
Interesting.
Anytime I’ve had a run with Tren. My lipids get absolutely smacked.
My buddy also has his cholesterol get wrecked.
I’ll have to see if I can find my labs for when I was on it. If Tren didn’t hit as hard as it did. I’d run it way longer lol
Never tried mast tho.
RockyP
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Did you take a statin or any other lipid support? Was it high LDL, low HDL, or both?
Tbaz192
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I don’t take any statins or any meds for that stuff. Just more things to buy and deal with.
Always take a full cycle support supplement
Low HDL / elevated everything else
I am on Reta now tho too. So that’ll give a little help on the lipids. So I’ve read
malomkarom
Member
My tren experiences were terrible enough that first off I no longer take tren in any form (for the time being...) and haven't in years. My cut off was similiar to yours but I've dialed it in a bit more precisely, 100-150/W of tren without ester weight was the top I could do without SEVERE side-effects.
That being said, my tactics towards the end were to only do Ace a few times a month for basically overtraining weak bodyparts and letting them rest after. Worked fucking great, basically like anadrol or superdrol timed the same but on steroids....
I would generally wait a week or 2 when I had some days for myself and no work (I worked reception, so tren was a problem) and do a dose every day I had minus the last one, usually 20-50mg and just fuck off till the next oportunity. MCT oils were great for this as I was basically myself by the second morning off of it, just slightly pissed and drained.
That is something you can't do with E, and as much as I'd like for it to just be an Ace problem, it's the tren. The best option is usually E going by how oxidized the shit is, and in low doses.
Up to a 100mg E per week was doable in my experience in a cycle, but I could never call it in time with it lingering 1-3 weeks after stopping with the mental damage lasting longer. . I did last close to 3 months though on 350 test 100 tren and 10mg winny/dbol pwo, crazy mass and strength gains while losing a good chuck of fat. Would have taken atleast 3-4 times as long without the tren with multiple bulks and cuts.
I still dream about tren sometimes, it's crazy. I wish I didn't react so insanely well physically, it's a temptation every time I see it. Got my deadlift from 210kg to 270kg in a 9 days of 150 test E + 20mg Ace ED and 7 pills of winstrol 10mg. My bodyweight was 71kg just for the record. That's 462lbs to 595lbs at 155lbs in freedom units.
Ended up fucking up my left knee for life. (FUCK YOU WINSTROL)
That being said, my tactics towards the end were to only do Ace a few times a month for basically overtraining weak bodyparts and letting them rest after. Worked fucking great, basically like anadrol or superdrol timed the same but on steroids....
I would generally wait a week or 2 when I had some days for myself and no work (I worked reception, so tren was a problem) and do a dose every day I had minus the last one, usually 20-50mg and just fuck off till the next oportunity. MCT oils were great for this as I was basically myself by the second morning off of it, just slightly pissed and drained.
That is something you can't do with E, and as much as I'd like for it to just be an Ace problem, it's the tren. The best option is usually E going by how oxidized the shit is, and in low doses.
Up to a 100mg E per week was doable in my experience in a cycle, but I could never call it in time with it lingering 1-3 weeks after stopping with the mental damage lasting longer. . I did last close to 3 months though on 350 test 100 tren and 10mg winny/dbol pwo, crazy mass and strength gains while losing a good chuck of fat. Would have taken atleast 3-4 times as long without the tren with multiple bulks and cuts.
I still dream about tren sometimes, it's crazy. I wish I didn't react so insanely well physically, it's a temptation every time I see it. Got my deadlift from 210kg to 270kg in a 9 days of 150 test E + 20mg Ace ED and 7 pills of winstrol 10mg. My bodyweight was 71kg just for the record. That's 462lbs to 595lbs at 155lbs in freedom units.
Ended up fucking up my left knee for life. (FUCK YOU WINSTROL)
BigDadd7
Member
I never even considered taking a big shot of A when I have a few days all to myself.
RockyP
Member
This is very intriguing indeed.
lvz
New Member
mh ive been running 175mg ace a week and its been nothing but fantastic
in ur case u mentioned ur peak dosage is 125~150 ace, so running 200 e would result in 12~33mg more active tren overall, doubt thats gonna make that big of a difference
in ur case u mentioned ur peak dosage is 125~150 ace, so running 200 e would result in 12~33mg more active tren overall, doubt thats gonna make that big of a difference
Deadpool99
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I am running 600mg tren ace and sides are minimal and blood markers are solid. No bp/cbc issues. Lipids are very good. I was thinking of switching from 600mg tren ace (519 mg active after calculating ester weight) to 720mg tren e (471 mg active). In theory shouldn't my sides be the same on the enanthate as I would have the same peak serum levels?
My main reason for the witch is minimizing oil injected, 600mg of tren ace is a pain to inject, plus I need double the supply of tren to maintain my ace ester if I were to switch to enanthate.
My main reason for the witch is minimizing oil injected, 600mg of tren ace is a pain to inject, plus I need double the supply of tren to maintain my ace ester if I were to switch to enanthate.
RockyP
Member
I am very jealous of your tren tolerance.
Those numbers make sense but it doesn’t always translate in vivo. For example some people really can’t tolerate an “equivalent” NPP dosage of Deca (feeling like Deca somehow hits harder or makes more sides). I’d prob start with a little less than the equivalent enanthste and work your way up. Since you know you tolerate the parent compound you can always increase it. While you should have no issue tolerating enanthate, stranger things have happened and tren sides are not something you want lingering for weeks and weeks.
Deadpool99
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I am very happy I tolerate every anabolic including a sudden 10iu hgh blast very well. My LDL was actually below reference on tren. I once reacted very bad to 300mg test e/300 mast e, my lipids were crushed on these small doses. So I started to spend my time on researching supplements. Now my lipids are better on 720 test/600mg mast p/600mg tren a. I rly have to thank chatgpt for all the hard deep research into supplements/and meso rx and seeing some of the guy’s medical stacks.
One disadvantage is that when you tolerate things very well you also start doubting your gear is legit, now I started sending it to jano and then getting credit so it’s basically a free test. Plus I am very tempted to raise my test to 1g but Ik the cardiac risk isn’t worth it and there is just diminishing returns.
I am very scared of suddenly getting sides (which on the surface sounds dumb cuz duh I tolerate it well) but ppl here are scaring me into not switching to enanthate, cuz I swear if I get insomnia, it’s a living nightmare for me. I sleep 9 hours a day and it’s not even remotely enough for me.
RockyP
Member
Switching to enan might not be worth the risk. I think some vendors have 200 mg / ml acetate but idk what the PIP is like on that.
BamaCrazy
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I bought Primal’s Tren A 200 but I haven’t tried it. I am getting a little pip from his Tren A 100 right now.
Deadpool99
Member
nah no need for high conc., I like that I get no PIP, specially when injecting 1.5mls of tren at a time (4 times a week injections). So more than half a vial per week, for 12 weeks it adds up. with tren e I can get away with 4 vials and have extra on hand.
Plus Idk if the vendor uses Guaiacol to maintain the high concentration.
Liter O' Test
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read the thread plot the doses
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