Another try at my first cycle

[jayb]

I am currently on testc trt(for about 9months) going to bump up my dose and add tbol, looking to start small. was going to do dbol but was talked out of it and in to tbol. Looking to do a relatively clean bulk cycle then cut this summer.

35yr old 200lbs 18ish%body fat been working out for 4 years

Cycle
Test C 300mg(double my trt) per week 1-12
Tbol 40mg week 1-4 (10mg in am, 20mg pre workout, 10 in pm)
And I was going to start on HCG I have read it is a good idea while on trt to save what little good your testes are still doing and for a little bump in your natural test.
With tbol having a low aramotization(sp) and keeping my test fairly low do I need an AI?
I also have some deca on the way I have some joint issue and thought I would add it if they start to bother me.

Diet
300g protien 300 carbs 100fats
3400 calorie total

Working out 4-5 days per week 18-26 sets per workout

 

[tubesox]

I am currently on testc trt(for about 9months) going to bump up my dose and add tbol, looking to start small. was going to do dbol but was talked out of it and in to tbol. Looking to do a relatively clean bulk cycle then cut this summer.

35yr old 200lbs 18ish%body fat been working out for 4 years

Cycle
Test C 300mg(double my trt) per week 1-12
Tbol 40mg week 1-4 (10mg in am, 20mg pre workout, 10 in pm)
And I was going to start on HCG I have read it is a good idea while on trt to save what little good your testes are still doing and for a little bump in your natural test.
With tbol having a low aramotization(sp) and keeping my test fairly low do I need an AI?
I also have some deca on the way I have some joint issue and thought I would add it if they start to bother me.

Diet
300g protien 300 carbs 100fats
3400 calorie total

Working out 4-5 days per week 18-26 sets per workout

are you not currently on an AI while on 150mg TRT?

 

[jayb]

No was with a dr for the 1st 8 months just started doing it myself last 6 weeks.
Had labs done last week waiting for results

 

[tubesox]

No was with a dr for the 1st 8 months just started doing it myself last 6 weeks.
Had labs done last week waiting for results

lets see your labs first mate

 

[jayb]

Tubesox,
Here are my labs from my trt dose, I am assuming now I will need an ai correct?

Testosterone, Serum
Testosterone, Serum 1162 348-1197 ng/dL TA
Luteinizing Hormone(LH), S
LH 0.1 LOW 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL TA
FSH, Serum
FSH <0.2 LOW 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL TA
Estradiol
Estradiol 46.1 HIGH 7.6-42.6 pg/mL

 

[flenser]

300mg per week isn't that high. Maybe just keep adex on hand in case gyno shows up.

Not sure why you would want to add tbol if this is your first cycle. Establishing a base line for the effects of the test should be your main goal. Otherwise you may attribute gains to the tbol that actually come from the test.

 

[tubesox]

Run an ai keep your estradiol in range...dont wait for physical signs, estradiol out of range for men takes a serious toll on the ol ticker and im not sure of your age but if you are already on trt im sure youre at an age thatyou greatly respect the health of your heart

 

[tubesox]

Oh yeh another thing....the ideal sweet spot for muscle growth is estradiol 20-25 kinda hard to pin down, but thecloser the better

 

[jayb]

Clomid work or do I need to go with nolva?

 

[tubesox]

Clomid work or do I need to go with nolva?

those are only used during PCT, 1mg of arimidex a week is recommended by many doctors to patients on trt doses. If you run .25mg EOD you should do quite well with your estra levels

 

[MANWHORE]

300mg Test and 300g Carbs in too high.. for 18%BF

Test P, Tren A, and Winny ... Good for cutting..

Clean bulk is like a Bulk/Cut.. Doesn't make sense.. not at 18%BF

Just Cut... Drop to 180 at 11%. Then fuck all the young girls..
That's my plan.. It really is.. I am there.. Now, just gotta do the fuckin

 

[jayb]

MH, need to pack on a little more muscle first I am pretty small genetically. Made some big strides natty but running out of patience.

Tubesox,
Can you send me a pm with where to get Arimidex, I checked the 3 ugls that I have used and non of them carry it.

 

[jayb]

Is the LiquiDex 30mL 1mg/mL on cem meso the real deal, never heard of it in a liquid?

 

[tubesox]

Is the LiquiDex 30mL 1mg/mL on cem meso the real deal, never heard of it in a liquid?

dont do it!!, im pm'ing you a pharm source at reasonable price right now...my liquidex is very underdosed and im not the only one whose had this problem

 

[jayb]

Ordered, thanks Tubesox.

 

[ccccc123]

300mg per week isn't that high. Maybe just keep adex on hand in case gyno shows up.

Not sure why you would want to add tbol if this is your first cycle. Establishing a base line for the effects of the test should be your main goal. Otherwise you may attribute gains to the tbol that actually come from the test.

Is tbol will cause some gyno like Dbol?

 

[Ozzy619]

Is tbol will cause some gyno like Dbol?

Its not suppose to, but anything is possible at higher doses

 

[ccccc123]

Its not suppose to, but anything is possible at higher doses

I plan to do 40-50mg, it should be fine, not a fan to use AI during cycle unless see some gyno

 

[tubesox]

Bad idea not using AI until you see flares....i even use anti prolactin without the use of nor 19's ....the side effects can range anywhere from lactation to tumors..especially in the area of your hypothalamus..you really should be under the supervision of and endrocinologist with the statements i've read, best wishes brother.

 

[tubesox]

Just because you're not having flare ups doesn't mean everything is kosher