Any downsides to using unneeded HCG to increase Testosterone above normal?

[master.on]

Like some kind of "natural bridging"
Using HCG to raise your T above normal levels
Is it OK as long as estrogen is controlled, using AI if needed?

 

[Worf]

other than suppression of the hpta should be gtg

 

[master.on]

other than suppression of the hpta should be gtg

The pituitary should always come back to normal LH-FSH production
after discontinuing HCG, doesn't it?

 

[Worf]

The pituitary should always come back to normal LH-FSH production
after discontinuing HCG, doesn't it?

I dont think there's really a CONCRETE answer on this. I have wondered myself for quite a while. I think a test would need to be performed on healthy men on HCG therapy for various time periods with bloods before during and after.

 

[Breakneck]

A guy I know going to a well known trt clinic in my area said his doc claims you become desensitized to the effectiveness of HCG if you would take it during cycle to prevent shutdown so he wouldn't give HCG to him.

He said the doc claimed if you would use it over time it wouldn't work so well if you ever decided to fully cycle off of everything.

I've read there's no real studies on this happening but don't know the bottom line.

My thing with his scenario is they quoted him one price that included HCG with test and ai and then didn't give him the HCG but the price was the same.
They claimed clinics use HCG to sell you more needless stuff but still didn't bump his overall cost down ha.

 

[BirdieNumNum]

I can confirm that i have experienced no difference in the effectiveness of hcg long term.
Even after i have elevated my levels above normal.

 

[master.on]

I can confirm that i have experienced no difference in the effectiveness of hcg long term.
Even after i have elevated my levels above normal.

May I ask how much did you raise your T levels with HCG?
For how long did T remain elevated after stopping HCG?

 

[MeatHead69]

I can confirm that i have experienced no difference in the effectiveness of hcg long term.
Even after i have elevated my levels above normal.

I have noticed the effectiveness of HCG decreasing after using it for a month, personally. It could be because the HCG powder degraded in my dark drawer but that is up for speculation. When i first began a lil over a month ago it was a nit more effective but that may be becuase I was more atrophied then I currently am.

 

[master.on]

I have noticed the effectiveness of HCG decreasing after using it for a month, personally. It could be because the HCG powder degraded in my dark drawer but that is up for speculation. When i first began a lil over a month ago it was a nit more effective but that may be becuase I was more atrophied then I currently am.

Please define effectiveness decrease
does that mean that HCG can only raise Testosterone to a certain level, and you get used to that higher T?

Or that HCG initially raises T
but after a month it fails to keep T at the former level, and have bloodwork to back it up?

Maybe some of it is actually expected
as when starting HCG, you have a little LH/FSH + the HCG you just injected
then it rolls back natural LH-FSH and you only have HCG left?

 

[MeatHead69]

Please define effectiveness decrease
does that mean that HCG can only raise Testosterone to a certain level, and you get used to that higher T?

Or that HCG initially raises T
but after a month it fails to keep T at the former level, and have bloodwork to back it up?

Maybe some of it is actually expected
as when starting HCG, you have a little LH/FSH + the HCG you just injected
then it rolls back natural LH-FSH and you only have HCG left?

What i meant in terms of effectiveness was how I felt. When I initially started the HCG would give me a fat energy boost, balls would plump up, semen would get thicker etc.. Now my semen is still thick, my balls are still plump but I dont get the good feeling/ energy boost from it that I was initially. In terms of my balls, it is still working

 

[Btcowboy]

What i meant in terms of effectiveness was how I felt. When I initially started the HCG would give me a fat energy boost, balls would plump up, semen would get thicker etc.. Now my semen is still thick, my balls are still plump but I dont get the good feeling/ energy boost from it that I was initially. In terms of my balls, it is still working

Nothing to back up my thoughts either. I've be using 2000ius per week 1000 2x a week with 60mg Ralox a day for 10 weeks now and 2nd what @MeatHead69 says.

Which poses more questions. Does HCG help raise test to certain point and stall? Meaning it something to use for a time frame then stop. Will the new level maintain off hcg or will it fall again?

I question this as I am on week 10 just finished my 2nd 10000ius and want to start my blast. I either spend 170 on more hcg to continue or spend 140 for more test and B&C saving the hcg for later

 

[ironwill1951]

HCG shuts your natural test production down,
so why would you not run a low dose of test?

 

[BirdieNumNum]

May I ask how much did you raise your T levels with HCG?
For how long did T remain elevated after stopping HCG?

I have taken shots of roughly 500iu give or take and that put me at a level of 21 (8-35). I have taken larger shots (2000iu) but was unable to get bloodwork, i did however feel like a greek god. No, the effectiveness does not seem to have changed whatsoever even after a year, but hey i always get good pharma.

 

[Btcowboy]

HCG shuts your natural test production down,
so why would you not run a low dose of test?

Hcg mimics LH and tricks your pituitary gland into having the testes produce more natural test.

 

[Btcowboy]

I have taken shots of roughly 500iu give or take and that put me at a level of 21 (8-35). I have taken larger shots (2000iu) but was unable to get bloodwork, i did however feel like a greek god. No, the effectiveness does not seem to have changed whatsoever even after a year, but hey i always get good pharma.

So by feel you think hcg levels remain once finished? Just curious myself

 

[TRT@40]

My first TRT protocol was HCG monotherapy of 1000IU eod without any AI. It raised my test levels from 200 to around 700 based on blood work. I believe I was on it for about 6months before I asked for Test injection Rx; i have to check the paperwork to be sure. Downside was the elevated estrogen.
Other effect is on appetite suppression which can be a good thing if you are restricting calories but no so good if you are trying to bulk

 

[Btcowboy]

@TRT@40 would you say hcg gets your level to a certain point then plateaus? Then if you stop hcg would you say you maintain that level or would it fall? I cant justify the cost when I can self medicate with test for less.

 

[TRT@40]

@TRT@40 would you say hcg gets your level to a certain point then plateaus? Then if you stop hcg would you say you maintain that level or would it fall? I cant justify the cost when I can self medicate with test for less.

Hi Btcowboy, I checked my records and below is the relevant data:

Baseline Test No. 1: Month 0
Test (Free) =196
LH=5
FSH=3

Test No. 2: Month 8
HCG=1000IU EOD for 8 months and nothing else (no AI or test)
Test (Free) =585
LH & FSH less than 1
IGF-1=349*
estradiol=327* (endo still did not prescribe AI. Had I been a member of this forum at this time, I would know how to manage e2 myself)

Test No. 3: Month 13
HCG=1000IU EOD for 13 months and nothing else (no AI or test)
Test (Free) =754
LH & FSH less than 1
estradiol=409*

At this point, to address elevated e2, I asked the endo to give me test injection Rx and lower the HCG dose to about 300IU eod.

BTW, because I wanted to keep my fertility chances, I started with HCG monotherapy.

Test No 2 and 3 show test levels seemed to continuously increase over time of 13months with 1000iu HCG EOD. I dont have data beyond 13 months with HCG only so I cant say for sure but I would think test level would plateau since leydig cell output would remain constant with fixed input. But I have read long term use of HCG can cause leydig cell desensitization but I dont have know of any studies showing this to be the case. if this is true, then over time test levels start to decline with a fixed amount of HCG due to desensitization.

In my case of secondary hypogonadism, stopping HCG would result in test dropping to baseline. I think someone with healthy HPTA would respond differently.

 

[Btcowboy]

@TRT@40 great information thanks a bunch.

 

[chileandawg]

Hcg mimics LH and tricks your pituitary gland into having the testes produce more natural test.

THAT is the shitty theory.Have sense to those that people eat lowfat foods and dont know squats.

Reality is hCG is testicles's food but will shutdown you boy.