Any Use in GLP-1 If Hunger Is Nonexistent

Mshep102

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I understand that GLP-1 meds are extremely popular, and for good reason. However, I don’t really deal with hunger when I’m on a cut (intermittent fasting and being busy most days).

Do GLPs provide any value in my case? I’m not hungry most of the time, but when I am I understand that with the med it would be muted a bit, but I don’t feel like that’s worth it if I don’t struggle on a cut. I’ve heard there are some benefits in regard to insulin, but I could just utilize metformin or berberine for cheaper. Thoughts?
 
I understand that GLP-1 meds are extremely popular, and for good reason. However, I don’t really deal with hunger when I’m on a cut (intermittent fasting and being busy most days).

Do GLPs provide any value in my case? I’m not hungry most of the time, but when I am I understand that with the med it would be muted a bit, but I don’t feel like that’s worth it if I don’t struggle on a cut. I’ve heard there are some benefits in regard to insulin, but I could just utilize metformin or berberine for cheaper. Thoughts?

Yes, if you can find a dose that doesn't significantly affect your appetite.

It's easier to do this with Tirz or Reta than Sema.
 
Yes, if you can find a dose that doesn't significantly affect your appetite.

It's easier to do this with Tirz or Reta than Sema.
What are the benefits besides the appetite suppression? I know there can be some improvements in blood glucose but I’m not sure about a whole lot else besides a possibility of reducing inflammation
 
What are the benefits besides the appetite suppression? I

Liver fat reduction, improved lipids and blood pressure (slightly), other potential cardiovascular benefits and the aforementioned reduction of inflammation which may also have beiroprotextive benefits. There are some other more esoteric potential benefits but that sums up most of what’s been studied.
 
What are the benefits besides the appetite suppression? I know there can be some improvements in blood glucose but I’m not sure about a whole lot else besides a possibility of reducing inflammation

An improvement of insulin sensitivity by direct action on neurons. Since GLP crosses the blood brain barrier it improves brain function, for instance, and may be part if the mechanism of action for the widespread observation of lessening of addictive behavior.

This very likely acts to protect against neurodegeneration of all types, protecting vision for instance, as demonstrated by some of the initial research into this.

Systemic inflammation is reduced, by acting on the vagus nerve, which acts like a probe that "senses" the presence of endotoxins, ie bacterial cell wall fragments, and taking this as a sign of infection in the body, triggers a chain of events in the brain that raises systemic levels of inflammation as a defensive reponse, This response seems to become dysfunctionally over sensitive with age, and can also be "tricked" by endotoxin from sources other than bacterial infection.

Elevated levels of systemic inflammation is a cause of damage to many organs, contributing to, often without symptoms, damage like arthritis, diabetes.

It very likely reduces damage to the endothelial layer of blood vessels, which are rich in GLP receptors. This could help reduce the rate at which plaque builds,

Now I want to be clear, while there's evidence of all these benefits to one degree or another, it's still early days, relatively speaking, though much of the experiments showing these potential benefits go back a decade or more ago, there's a long way to go.

However, given the risk / benefit (potential or otherwise), is so heavily skewed to the benefit side, and the general appetite of PED users to consume peptides and other compounds with far less evidence of safety or benefit, it seems rational to take the chance of what are, benefits that require long term exposure to exogenous supplementation of GLP,

After millions of years of patient experience with GLPs, going back decades, the risks seem pretty well understood, and barring a handful of negative effects more the impact of rapid weight loss or lowering of blood glucose, it's a very low risk, potentially high reward bet.

Far more than say, Testosterone to achieve a high, but still physiologic T level (which is also well worth the risk imo, but requires more caution and fraught with more potential harms),
 
Now I want to be clear, while there's evidence of all these benefits to one degree or another, it's still early days, relatively speaking, though much of the experiments showing these potential benefits go back a decade or more ago, there's a long way to go.

It should also be pointed that many of these benefits were identified in populations comprised of metabolically deranged individuals. There's certainly a lot of anecdotal evidence of a reduction in liver fat in healthy folks, myself included, but it would be difficult to estimate the size of the effect in a healthy population beyond just ambiguously stating "some".
 
It should also be pointed that many of these benefits were identified in populations comprised of metabolically deranged individuals. There's certainly a lot of anecdotal evidence of a reduction in liver fat in healthy folks, myself included, but it would be difficult to estimate the size of the effect in a healthy population beyond just ambiguously stating "some".

The effects I mentioned were established based on in vitro and animal experiments, hypothesis based on those to explain observed results, except for the impact on the optic nerve, which was done on diabetics using GLP eye drops, based on the earlier in vitro testing.

It's important to note that for ethical reasons experiments on healthy people are rarely authorized for any drug, and certainly not long term large scale experiments where you're not treating some targeted disease,

However, we have seen impacts on things like lipids, heart remodeling prevention, inflammation, that go beyond that explained by weight loss alone,

Anti-addiction effects aren't related to weight loss either.

So yes, evidence isn't as strong as we like, it rarely is for anything, including AAS,, but no one should make the mistake of attributing positive health benefits to weight loss alone, as that's clearly not the case.

And again, the safety of this class of meds has a large body of data behind it pointing to them being very safe. More than the vast majority, even OTC meds. I think there may be the impression (and some hope from haters). this is some brand new class of drugs and the "shoe will drop" at any moment and some horrific effects will emerge. That's extremely unlikely at this point. The oldest GLPs go back decades. It seems like it's all upside, even if much of that still needs to be studied in depth. It seems like every medical researcher, in every speciality, is involved in some study on GLPs right now. Research capacity is maxed out.
 
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The effects I mentioned

I concur with all of this. I think my point was to illustrate that there are many beneficial effects, but there's no way to predict the degree of the effect in a healthy population because, as you pointed out, those studies aren't going to happen.

The conclusion that one could draw, then would be that yes, there is a benefit, the degree to which is unknown, but the risk is small. A risk/benefit analysis would be difficult to do and probably would be outweighed by the level of effort that comes acquiring the compounds and injecting them on a regular basis.
 
Great thanks guys. I went ahead and snagged 150mg of it. Gonna try to do 2.5mg/week and see if I get any benefits out of that, and move up to 5 as needed. If it doesn't work...I guess I will just not be hungry for a few months
 
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