Anyone add Masteron to their TRT?

[ChestRockwell]

So, they imply an assumption that increased testosterone drives prostate cancer, which the Harvard article refuted, and their study didn't find one either. Hmmmm

There is definitely a complicated interplay, and what causes prostate growth (e.g. testosterone) may not always directly lead to cancer and vice versa.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

There is definitely a complicated interplay, and what causes prostate growth (e.g. testosterone) may not always directly lead to cancer and vice versa.

The Harvard piece dismissed any link.

I take Doxazosin to keep my PSA low. Really low actually.

 

[legendary]

Off topic. But coffee drinkers beware. If you live in California it now causes cancer. Just saw that on the news.

 

[master.on]

You are a fucking moron. Seriously. So add something so you don't have to add something? Remember you also posted that hcg causes cancer. You've got so many fucked up hypothesis that you can't keep it straight.

You're one of the flat Earthers aren't ya.

I'm not making deals with you, you freaking nit wit . I never said anything about HCG .See, here's the problem, you make shit up and then post it . Again, village idiot . No one listens to you, and everyone mocks you. Wonder why

Besides being old with low T
memory problems too?

 

[master.on]

@ChestRockwell
Would you write an article on why Proviron doesn't seem to cause typical DHT side effects like baldness or prostate problems?
That's interesting for sure.

 

[Robfromga]

Besides being old with low T
memory problems too?

Pull two unrelated subjects together to prove your wack job points? Another reason why no one listens, likes or takes you seriously. Even the guys that just signed up and know fuck all about AAS .

I am old... Old enough to realize what a fruit cake you are . TT is rolling about 1050. Thanks for playing.

 

[master.on]

Pull two unrelated subjects together to prove your wack job points? Another reason why no one listens, likes or takes you seriously. Even the guys that just signed up and know fuck all about AAS .

I am old... Old enough to realize what a fruit cake you are . TT is rolling about 1050. Thanks for playing.

 

[taco33150]

Real quick ..
If masteron lowers estrogen , does that mean no AI needed?? Depending on individual obviously

 

[tenpoundsleft]

Real quick ..
If masteron lowers estrogen , does that mean no AI needed?? Depending on individual obviously

It doesn't lower estrogen.

https://thinksteroids.com/community...h-for-estrogen-control.134297408/#post-725097

Take AI as needed - we're all individual in our needs.

 

[master.on]

Real quick ..
If masteron lowers estrogen , does that mean no AI needed?? Depending on individual obviously

No it doesn't lower estrogen
use an AI or you may wake up to a hard gyno surprise.

The only way it could lower estro is running it in a no-Testosterone, no-HCG cycle, so Testosterone drops and thus estro (not recommended).

 

[taco33150]

@tenpoundsleft thanjsand @master.on

 

[Deleted member 59947]

No offense, but that's a myth you're perpetuating.

Here's a piece from Harvard's medical school, by a urologist. He dismisses, in about a strongly worded terms as you can, the myth about high testosterone causing prostate cancer.

Read the entire article, it's good:
https://www.harvardprostateknowledge.org/a-harvard-expert-shares-his-thoughts-on-testosterone-replacement-therapy

I've quoted the most pertinent area below and marked portions in red or bold.

"What about the risk of developing prostate cancer?

I think that the biggest hurdle for most physicians prescribing testosterone is the fear that they’re going to promote prostate cancer. [See “Incongruous findings,” below.] That’s because more than six decades ago, it was shown that if you lowered testosterone in men whose prostate cancer had metastasized, their condition improved. (It became a standard therapy that we still use today for men with advanced prostate cancer. We call it androgen deprivation or androgen-suppressive therapy.) The thinking became that if lowering testosterone makes prostate cancer disappear, at least for a while, then raising it must make prostate cancer grow. But even though it’s been a widely held belief for six decades, no one has found any additional evidence to support the theory.

Haven’t there been any studies that follow men who go on testosterone-replacement therapy to see what their rate of cancer is compared with that in men who are not on it?

As with a number of treatments or medicines that have been around for a long, long time, it hasn’t been scrutinized like a new drug would be. And although they’ve been discussed, there aren’t any large-scale, randomized controlled clinical trials of testosterone-replacement therapy under way. [See “A male equivalent to the Women’s Health Initiative?” below.]

There have been a number of smaller studies on men receiving testosterone-replacement therapy, and if you look at the results cumulatively, the rate of prostate cancer in these men was about 1% per year. If you look at men who show up for prostate cancer screening, same sort of age population, the rate tends to be about the same. You have to be cautious in comparing studies and combining the results, but there’s no signal in these results that testosterone-replacement therapy creates an unexpectedly high rate of prostate cancer.

We also have epidemiologic studies, like the Physicians’ Health Study, the Baltimore Longitudinal Study of Aging, and the Massachusetts Male Aging Study, that include tens of thousands of men who are followed for 5, 10, 15, or even 20 years. At the end of the study period, the researchers see who developed prostate cancer and who didn’t. They can then look at blood samples taken at the start of the study to see if, for example, the group that got prostate cancer had a higher level of testosterone over all. About 500,000 men have been entered in some 20 trials of this type around the world. Not one of those studies has shown a definitive correlation between prostate cancer and total testosterone. Three or four have shown weak associations, but none of those have been confirmed in subsequent studies.

Another point I’d like to make for people worried about a link between high testosterone and prostate cancer is that it just doesn’t make sense. Prostate cancer becomes more prevalent in men as they age, and that’s also when their testosterone levels decline. We almost never see it in men in their peak testosterone years, in their 20s for instance. We know from autopsy studies that 8% of men in their 20s already have tiny prostate cancers, so if testosterone really made prostate cancer grow so rapidly — we used to talk about it like it was pouring gasoline on a fire — we should see some appreciable rate of prostate cancer in men in their 20s. We don’t. So, I’m no longer worried that giving testosterone to men will make their hidden cancer grow, because I’m convinced that it doesn’t happen."

It’s the association of high DHT and high E2 that is the culprit of prostate hyperplasia, not testosterone in and out of itself

 

[Dr JIM]

Real quick ..
If masteron lowers estrogen , does that mean no AI needed?? Depending on individual obviously

The effects of Masteron on E-2 are primarily based upon antiquated 1970-80s female breast CA research.

Such that a reduction in “tumor load”
was thought to be the result of Masterons anti-estrogenic effect.

However based upon hormone receptor studies the “beneficial” effects of Masteron are now thought to be mediated by all androgens, since similar effects were noted in Nandrolone trials.

To that end while ANY androgen suppresses HTPA functioning, and what follows is a reduction in TT secretion AND E-2 aromatization, this effect is offset when other anabolic agents that raise E-2 are cycled

 

[tenpoundsleft]

It’s the association of high DHT and high E2 that is the culprit of prostate hyperplasia, not testosterone in and out of itself

Note that the Harvard guy doesn't weasel around in his assertion that TRT has nothing to do with prostate cancer.

 

[legendary]

In my personal study and experiment on my self. With mast added the same amount of test I was using both free and total test were raised. And e2 with no ai stay about the same. I don't use much so at all even in blast.

 

[androgenics89]

In my personal study and experiment on my self. With mast added the same amount of test I was using both free and total test were raised. And e2 with no ai stay about the same. I don't use much so at all even in blast.

Odd that TT was increased. When I added Mast my FT went up but TT went down right along with SHBG.