Anyone ever heard of EPO?

[MaxRep]

Max is the man but his numbers are off. A typical dose for anemia treated with Procrit is 50-100U/kg 3x/wk. 40000U/ml x 4 (1ml vials) cost less than 2 large a month for a 100kg anemic. 10 vials of Epogen at 40000U/ml is less than 5 large which would last a 100kg anemic (say Lyle Alzado) for 10 weeks easy.

Useful doses for an athlete vary depending on your starting hematocrit and endogenous EPO levels but in gear alone you can spend far less on EPO than say hGH on a monthly basis. But unlike hGH you MUST have someone tracking your 'crit. Neither your brain nor your heart nor your kidneys nor Mr. Winky like blood the consistency of sludge.

I'm certainly not the expert in this but I do try to use the experts for my info. In this case, the info and numbers are straight out of the Jan 2002 - report from the 25th Congress of the European Society for Medical Oncology. I'm sure it's possible costs have come down in the last several years.

Straight from the report:

These statistics are based upon 1 unit of blood costing 192 DM (US $96) in the hospital and 145 DM (US $72.50) in private practice vs 1 vial of epoetin alfa at 280 DM (US $140) in hospital and 372 DM (US $186) in private practice. The issue of cost has also been looked at in several study reviews from around the world (Table 3).

Negrin did a cost-benefit analysis for the 55 myelodysplastic patients treated with epoetin alfa therapy. At 150,000 units weekly, a 38% response rate was achieved. At 1 year, only 11% continued to respond to therapy. Treatment costs per patient per year were the equivalent of 290,000 DM (US $195,000)

Again, I'm not an expert in this and I'm not going to argue costs but it appears that at least a few years ago, the cost was prohibitive.

MaxRep

 

[nandro]

uh, drol increases RBC also but not at the same extent as EPO.

I'm certainly not the expert in this but I do try to use the experts for my info. In this case, the info and numbers are straight out of the Jan 2002 - report from the 25th Congress of the European Society for Medical Oncology. I'm sure it's possible costs have come down in the last several years.

Straight from the report:

These statistics are based upon 1 unit of blood costing 192 DM (US $96) in the hospital and 145 DM (US $72.50) in private practice vs 1 vial of epoetin alfa at 280 DM (US $140) in hospital and 372 DM (US $186) in private practice. The issue of cost has also been looked at in several study reviews from around the world (Table 3).

Negrin did a cost-benefit analysis for the 55 myelodysplastic patients treated with epoetin alfa therapy. At 150,000 units weekly, a 38% response rate was achieved. At 1 year, only 11% continued to respond to therapy. Treatment costs per patient per year were the equivalent of 290,000 DM (US $195,000)

Again, I'm not an expert in this and I'm not going to argue costs but it appears that at least a few years ago, the cost was prohibitive.

MaxRep

 

[Southernjuice]

uh, drol increases RBC also but not at the same extent as EPO.

True it does...epo is not worth messing with. Say grizzly i thought that UFC started paying their fighters by the year and most of their money comes from endorsements of one kind or another. I thought that their salaries were based on a 6 fight a year expectation.

 

[Grizzly]

Much of it depends on the fighter. Tank Abbot sucks ass...BUT, he's one of the highest paid(around 175k, from what I hear). The numbers I saw for someone with talent(Andre Arlovski) the last time he fought was like 10k to show and 10k to win. Considering he'd cream tank, that's sort of sad.

They do sign some people to contracts(typically 3-6 fights) but they pay by the fight. If you win the first, then you get more money the next time. If you lose, kiss a "raise" goodbye.

Some dudes get endorsements. I know Matt Hughes has several vehicles that have been paid for by Full Contact Fighter, but he's a rarity. All in all, there isn't fuck all for money in MMA. You can make a few bucks, but it's NOTHING compared to boxing or even K-1, for that matter.

 

[zoetrope]

johann muhlegg got busted for this in the winter olympics 2002 i believe. he was taking darbepoetin alfa <aranesp> . it also seems like epoetin alfa <procrit> would be beneficial as well.


For endurance

 

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