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Anyone here doing keto and carb cycling ?
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Sk8man101
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My girlfriend has done it.
In my opinion carb cycling should be renamed to CALORIE cycling.
And if your going to be 'calorie cycling' you might as well just diet and keep your caloric deficit everyday instead of less than half of the days.
But I've never done it so I guess take it for what it is.
In my opinion carb cycling should be renamed to CALORIE cycling.
And if your going to be 'calorie cycling' you might as well just diet and keep your caloric deficit everyday instead of less than half of the days.
But I've never done it so I guess take it for what it is.
ironwill1951
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you cant do keto and carb cycling at the same time they are totally different.
This.
ive read some people are carbs cycling using keto,Im sure some people carb cycle differently,The wife is in solid keto,on a blood meter between 2.4 and 4.6 depending on time of workout for the day. alot of keto dieters are using weekends to cycle in carbs for making the diet easy,but im talking about using carbs more often before a workout to restore glycogen stores for muscle growth and burning the majority of the carbs in the workout and staying in keto. I havnt read much about what others do on other diets with carb cycling so im sure the specifics on macros are not the same. its difficult to find the specifics on it with keto. From what ive read most of the women here are using standard carb macros and not using keto.
You can't eat carbs and stay in keto...
A simple plate of pasta will kick you out of keto, and it takes 2-3 days to return to keto state for someone who has done it repeatedly, your body remembers how...
How is she measuring keto state... When in keto I'm best functioning at 0.7mmol/L...
Light keto is up to 1.5 mmol, so your wifey isn't anywhere near that... She's not in keto by the sound of it. In the range you're quoting, that is where you would be after eating carbs, not while in keto..
Yes most women here are carb cycling... Keto is hard and has to be monitored. If your levels don't respond properly or in the correct ranges, it's not for you.. Keto doesn't work for everyone and can be hazardous to your kidneys if you try and push it if it's not working for you
You can buy supplements such as keto Kana, Keto Force and that type, which deliver exogenous ketones that people drink prior to a workout to give you a kick. These are engineered directly for keto training by none other than Balco steroid chemist, Patrick Arnold.
Sounds like you guys should just skip keto and carb cycle instead.... Imo
A simple plate of pasta will kick you out of keto, and it takes 2-3 days to return to keto state for someone who has done it repeatedly, your body remembers how...
How is she measuring keto state... When in keto I'm best functioning at 0.7mmol/L...
Light keto is up to 1.5 mmol, so your wifey isn't anywhere near that... She's not in keto by the sound of it. In the range you're quoting, that is where you would be after eating carbs, not while in keto..
Yes most women here are carb cycling... Keto is hard and has to be monitored. If your levels don't respond properly or in the correct ranges, it's not for you.. Keto doesn't work for everyone and can be hazardous to your kidneys if you try and push it if it's not working for you
You can buy supplements such as keto Kana, Keto Force and that type, which deliver exogenous ketones that people drink prior to a workout to give you a kick. These are engineered directly for keto training by none other than Balco steroid chemist, Patrick Arnold.
Sounds like you guys should just skip keto and carb cycle instead.... Imo
Not sure why you would think she is not in keto. I'm using a nova max blood meter to monitor her. She is always above 1.0 mmol and most times around 2.0 some times as high as 4.6 in morning before workouts. She's eating 88 grams protein 18 grams carbs 110 grams fat or 1450 cal for 6 months. It doessnt remove fat from her nearly as fast as I've seen from others. But it's for sure consumed about 3/4 of the fat she needs to lose.just taking forever. She went from 23% bf to 19% but the last bit below belly button won't go. There are some other health benifeits for keto for her lower bp mental clarity better lipids. She doesn't mind the diet. Cheese butter chicken alvacodos spinach chives eggs steak salmon tuna shrimp are what she lives on. Now that she is on hrt t pellets and var...possibly dbol errrrrr. She is putting on more lean mass and hard to tell how many pounds fat have been lost. So I can't argue cycling carbs with keto well because I don't know specifics yet But I have deff read that cycling in some carbs well above 20 grams a Day to replenish glycogen stores in muscles if done at the right time before a hit workout will burn the carbs before they get into the kidneys and knock you out.ill see if I can find the link and post it. I can't remember grams of carbs that work best. I remember it being consumed a half hour before workout. Doing 1 hr workouts 6 days week and fasted cardio 25 min but not often enough. Prolly the missing link. She rather lift than cardio. She needs more energy for workouts and more protein intake than what she is using now to make use of the t and var advanced protein synthesis. The c4 isn't enough go power. bcaa helps but isn't real food. Hoping to run into someone who has tried this with success
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Here's the link. Wish this guy was still on that forum. He really knew keto nutrition well
. Liver glycogen is pretty stable with a max of 60-90g of glucose stored
For muscle, it's 14g/kg of muscle mass.
Take someone who is 200lbs with 10% body fat. It would be the normal assumption to say that this individual has 20lbs of body fat and 180lbs of lean body mass and equate this amount of body mass to the amount of muscle we have. This is a mistake. Muscle mass accounts for roughly 40% of our lean mass (the rest being water, bones, skeleton, organs).
In reality this individal would have around 72lbs of muscle mass, or around 33kg.
33kg x 14g/kg = 462g of carbs that can be stored.
In general, the average size male lifter will be able to store anywhere from 350 to 500g of carbs as glycogen.
100 Grams of easily digested liquid carbs along with around half as many grams of carbs in protein (here 50) as a whey shake or something of that nature should be taken right after the last workout when insulin sensitivity will be at its greatest and GLUT4 receptors mobilized.
A few hours later start to spread the remaining 500 grams or so (accounting for say 90g in the liver, plus muscle) of carbs, along with at least 1g per lb of muscle protein during the remainder of the compensation period.
As far as fat, during the first 24-30 hours of carbing up, the body will use all dietary carbohydrates to refill glycogen, protein for rebuilding, and fat for energy still.
Just like the previous five and a half days. However, you can’t just eat all the fat you want. Keep grams of fat intake to half your lean mass weight in lbs.. The above example will keep his fat below 90g (180 lbs lean mass) during the carb-fest.
This should keep fat regain minimal to nil. Keeping fat intake extremely low can even cause some extra fat burning during the carb up.
Some dietary fat should be eaten to slow digestion and keep sugar levels stable. Whether it be saturated, unsaturated, or essential fats, is your decision. All have nine calories per gram. Although essential fatty acids such as flax seed oil increase insulin sensitivity within the muscle cells, in turn, increasing glycogen intake.
You can spread this out over 24-36 hours. I'm currently doing the 14 day version in the sticky above, for the simple reason that you are in ketosis more of the time. I actually go to no-carb on day one which in the plan as outlined calls for moderate carbs. The way I've been doing it, my carb intake stops around noon of day 14.
A 4% drop in body fat in 6 months of keto is not really good. Most people can achieve that in a couple months of basic carb cycling, or even just cleaning up the diet.
This is why i say she's not in real keto... Optimal mmol levels are 1-3,but most people will see better results in the 0.5-1.5 ranges.
Once you go outside of that, say the 4.6 you say she is in the morning sometimes, you're no longer in keto, and your body doesn't just magically go back to keto.. It takes a couple days.
So this could be one of the reasons she's not losing like she should. As mentioned in a previous post, you can get exogenous ketones designed as a pre workout, to help her get some punch to get through her workouts. You mentioned c4... Aren't there carbs in there? I don't remember...
I wouldn't advise trying to play with carbs while trying to stay in keto. Many of us have said they are two separate ideals and despite what you may have learned from some random guru on another forum, most literature points to the majority being correct. You're either keto, or you're carb cycling...
The last paragraph he mentions that you are in ketosis "more of the time". That says it all. You have to stay in keto to get the results. If you're jumping out of keto, then jumping back in constantly....in and out, in and out.
It's like eating clean for two days, then cheating for a day, and doing it over and over. Of course it's taking her ages to get results...
She is very high into the keto scale. She has not had more than 20 grams carbs a day in 6 months. This is something I'm just researching. He has a degree in nutrition so it's reliable info. Just need more specifics. I agree a 4% drop in 6 months isn't impressive. Lile u said keto alone just doesn't work for everyone. I want to try cycling her in and out of keto and replenish glycogen stores to increase protein synthesis. Kinda like muscle confusion workouts. I think her body has adapted to the diet
Come on man muscle confusion is all your taking from that post. Figure of speech to explain adaptation to the diet. It worked quite well the first 4 weeks and then peaked and started not tapering down in effectiveness. I wish she was the type of body that burned though fat in keto without cardio. But it looks like she is really gonna have to up her game on the treadmill to get rid of that last bit.
More of what he's talking about every 10 to 14 days cycling carbs on keto to replenish glycogen stores
I've been using CKD off and on for at least 30 years. IMO, it's by far the healthiest diet a person could possibly have. I've stayed on them for up to 6 months at a time for that simple reason. Not only to lose weight. I've gained a substantial amount of muscle eating 5lbs of steak a day on a gaining CKD. I learned this from Dr. Mauro diPasquale's Anabolic Diet. I recommend supplementing with a "lo-salt" or "no-salt' product which is going to be potassium chloride. You need about 5g a day and few people get that anyways, but particularly on a ckd. The 99mg tablets sold as supplements are deliberately inadequate and I've ranted about that here... Something you REALLY need... if you're interested. I put a tablespoon of lo-salt in my water bottle. A little salty but easy enough to get used to.
what type of BF loss can you expect on one 14day cycle?
You may lose 5 or 6 lbs a week but much of that is water, as carbohydrates pull 2g water per gram of carb. I average about 3lbs per 14 day cycle of fat loss and little to no muscle loss. That water weight will be regained inside the muscle after the re-feed.
LOL... How so?
The anabolic diet is good. I agree with you and I've followed it myself.
Yes... I jumped on the muscle confusion statement simply because too many people base their training and nutrition off of bro science, sorry. Nothing personal.
You sound like you have your plan, and I hope you can get it to work for her. There is a lot of knowledge here so keep asking. And keep us updated. I'll be interested to see how it works out for her.
RodgerThat
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Lots of stuff here is just stupid to read if you understand nutrition. I'm not going to take the time to correct everything just stab wildly at some things.
No that's a stupid suggestion to say the least. Keto diets produce ketones which utilize fat for fuel but news flash if your calories in are equal or greater to your calories out your body will.... drum roll please... continue to store fat even though you use fat as fuel cause you're in a calorie surplus! Whether or not you are keto, low carb, low fat, carb cycling, intermittent fasting, doing cardio 12 hours a day they all burn fat the exact same way! FAT CAN ONLY BE BURNED DURING PERIODS OF CALORIE DEFICIT REGARDLESS OF WHATS MAKING THE DEFICIT. She won't lose any weight if she's eating her TDEE and don't tell me she's in a deficit unless she loses weight that's not how the law of thermodynamics works.
Just for reference go look at my keto thread I'm not just some idiot piping off here I've researched the subject more then most.
This is the dumbest of the above posts. Want to know why?!?!? Cause nobody's body is the the type that burns through fat in keto.... CARDIO OR NOT! What! Rodger you must be mad!
No that's a stupid suggestion to say the least. Keto diets produce ketones which utilize fat for fuel but news flash if your calories in are equal or greater to your calories out your body will.... drum roll please... continue to store fat even though you use fat as fuel cause you're in a calorie surplus! Whether or not you are keto, low carb, low fat, carb cycling, intermittent fasting, doing cardio 12 hours a day they all burn fat the exact same way! FAT CAN ONLY BE BURNED DURING PERIODS OF CALORIE DEFICIT REGARDLESS OF WHATS MAKING THE DEFICIT. She won't lose any weight if she's eating her TDEE and don't tell me she's in a deficit unless she loses weight that's not how the law of thermodynamics works.
Just for reference go look at my keto thread I'm not just some idiot piping off here I've researched the subject more then most.
I read the thread months back and posted in it. Very little feedback. She has been on cal diff since dec starting at 1800 but on a standard diet. Moving to keto in feb at 1700 for a month and once dialed moved down to 1450. Logging everyyyy bite on Mfp and weighing everything using blood meter few times week logging ketones
She just loses fat at a mucchhhh slower rate than others I've seen on keto in the 3 plus month time frame. It's time to switch up the diet and replenish glycogen every 14 days. I see nothing in that old Keto thread about it so thought I would start a new one and see if anyone has tried it. This info I found comes from a nutritional doc so it can't be but so abnormal. Let me know if there is anything else u believe is questionable ? By the way she has tried very low cal diets of other sorts and never could get rid of the last bit of fat under belly button. I've heard this about a few women as well. She is lean and musclecular everywhere else. A hot tall blonde that's just never happy until perfect on the beach
She just loses fat at a mucchhhh slower rate than others I've seen on keto in the 3 plus month time frame. It's time to switch up the diet and replenish glycogen every 14 days. I see nothing in that old Keto thread about it so thought I would start a new one and see if anyone has tried it. This info I found comes from a nutritional doc so it can't be but so abnormal. Let me know if there is anything else u believe is questionable ? By the way she has tried very low cal diets of other sorts and never could get rid of the last bit of fat under belly button. I've heard this about a few women as well. She is lean and musclecular everywhere else. A hot tall blonde that's just never happy until perfect on the beach
