Yea ment is the best steroid I’ve used. The only issue I could see combining it with test is more estrogen symptoms but I only play with small doses of ment to avoid that issue
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Anyone run MENT and tren together?
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Type-IIx
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Heh I don't hate it, but I admit to usually being dismissive of it for how it looks "on paper" (tolerability factors like systolic BP, estrogenic & gestagenic effects, suppressive effects, etc., without any particularly unique efficacy). If it gives you a good mood & libido increase, that's a real intangible quality that my own decisionmaking on whether to use an AAS (for size/strength/recomp/retaining during a cut) would tend to weigh fairly low, but that obviously is something you are entitled to enjoy and that can be a fair justification for choosing MENT.
Well it’s also 10x more anabolic than testosterone on paper so that’s why people like it.
What are you basing that figure on? And do you mean that 1mg of MENT = 10mg of test in terms of anabolism? Or am I misinterpreting what you mean?
BigTomJ
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Mg to mg comparisons of efficacy are laughably flawed.
TonyTwoPosts
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This is funny as shit. Just the question made me laugh. But it would be interesting if someone had.
TonyTwoPosts
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Shorter esters also keep the levels more stable. So you are getting more from pinning shorter every day than longer every other.
Also here you go>
View: https://vimeo.com/440330060
Astartes
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This…
Something I don't think that is considered is anecdotally how well it is tolerated mentally compared to tren and deca (provided E2 is controlled). In fact, side effects at 50mg/d were the same as 100mg/d for me. There was no further increase in BP and I felt the same. The real limitation ends up being price and oil volume. It is also quite favorable on bloodwork comparatively
Type-IIx
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It clearly is more potent (per-mg), though the variability between assays (e.g., Houtman's bioluminescence AR CALUX data, Lia's Steroid structure/activity data) yields uncertainty in how much more potent, even in relative terms. But definitely more potent (by as much as ~10-fold per Houtman, true) than testosterone.
It's clearly not as simple as "X-fold more potent, so therefore better" than testosterone or any other AAS, however.
Cheque drops (mibolerone) are a lot more potent than MENT, and yet I don't see mibolerone as highly sought after.
What matters is not simply the potency (i.e., efficacy), but the tradeoffs between efficacy & tolerability.
Testosterone, even if 10X less potent than MENT per-mg, is still a better drug that fits more use cases (12-w bulking, 12-w cutting, 12-w recomp, long-term TRT) at 350 mg/w than MENT (12-w bulking & maybe long-term HRT) at 35 mg/w, even despite its being so readily aromatized (but far less than MENT) & 5α-reductase amplified to DHT. Tolerability factors include injection frequency, erythrocytosis/polycythymia related to ester length and therefore Tmax & (low) androgenicity, blood pressure, feminizing effects including fluid retention & gynecomastia, HPG axis dysregulation (endogenous steroidogenesis & spermatogenesis) as a result of diminished LH & FSH secretion, etc.
It's the very opposite that is true; longer esters keep levels more stable.
Well, MENT's effects on well-being & mood have never to my knowledge been measured meaningfully in a manner that reflects anything of substance, unlike data I've seen for testosterone, methandienone, norethandrolone, etc. So, you'll have to forgive me for dismissing the subject matter as a topic of debate outright for the moment as it is so totally labile and intangible. I do not want for this to be taken as my dismissing the validity of what you felt was something special about MENT; it very well might be; but I don't think we can say that for certain. I have seen plenty of anecdotes on Reddit that guys felt more in tune with their feelings and the like on MENT. This strikes me as potentially estrogenic; but if perceived as a benefit, then so be it.
As a practical matter, I do not think that people should be using anabolic-androgenic steroids on the basis of how they positively affect their mood, well-being, and energy. While these are known effects of AAS (exceptions generally proving the rule), effects on psychological state should not in my view dictate drug selection, besides to avoid those compounds that significantly affect your psychology whatsoever.
Anyway, at this point I can see clearly that I am repeating myself; and as the people that enjoy MENT continue to challenge my already well-worn points, I'm going to have to bow out of any more arguments for/against MENT. I'm not losing sleep over whether you use MENT; enjoy.
Right, to clarify by mental tolerability I'm not referring to positive effects, but the absence of negative effects. Obviously you do not need a study to come to the conclusion that most will tolerate MENT better than tren, but it is not comparable to tren, especially in a deficit. In the context of this post I would just add test/mast.
With Deca however I tend to see reports of paranoia despite a high dose of testosterone alongside it, so I'm not too sure on how it would just be estrogen related. Of course not everyone has these symptoms, but I do consider MENT to be at least somewhat more potent than Deca, so I don't see a reason to use it except for joint relief.
As far as gestagenic side effects, I never really understood what these are besides the suppression on the HPTA (unless we are to assume blood pressure and hypo symptoms are because of this). The underlying imbalance always seems to be estrogen.
Certainly I'm not trying to argue, you know a lot more than me, but if it was more popular maybe I could get it for cheaper
Pulpfiction
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I ran ment for the first time a few months back at 25 a day. Blood pressure wasn’t as bad as I expected but my e2 was higher than it had ever been so I increased my ai dose and that took care of it. The overall sense of well being, strength gains, and muscle fullness were amazing. Would like to try it again at a lower mg, probably let 10 or 15 so I don’t have to take as much anaztrazole.
It’s funny as shit that you didn’t know it was 10x more anabolic in rats than testosterone (also 12x more suppressive). It’s usually the first thing people bring up when discussing the drug.
Does that mean it translates directly into humans? No, but I never argued it does.
While your information sounds good on paper, you still lack the personal experience of using it.
Obviously, but MENT is still still stronger
TonyTwoPosts
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Ok stated another way. The shorter the ester, the higher the peak. So if you pin the shorter ester more often, which almost always goes hand in hand with a short vs longer ester, then the peaks will remain stable with the more frequent pins. The more frequent you pin, the steadier your blood levels will be. That's just the nature of half life. You get more bang for your buck with the shorter/more frequent pin combo.
TonyTwoPosts
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No the thought of the side-effects is what hooked me.
rufflesbaby
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Nah but sounds fun lol, I went from 405lb x3 squat to 500lb x1 in 1 month on MENT and Anadrol.. Makes your dick so hard It hurts on a regular basis, makes u huge and full and makes u feel like a walking fucking god, I'll probably try that combo one day and definitely stay out of public unless I'm at the gym.
Same here lol
AlwaysHungry
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I really believe that all the heavy hitter
Test,tren,ment,deca
All gonna give similar amounts of lbm give or take.
Of course things are not so simple for example
1200 test will build tad more muscle than 1200 tren because of the e2.
But 1200 test vs 1000 tren 200 test will build the same lbm.
So pick the compound that you respond best to or you maybe responding good to various combinations.
No need to fight over compounds they all grow you.
Me personally haven’t tried ment I think it will be disaster for me personally I don’t handle estro well and my prolactin elevates very easily. So I don’t mind taking it even if I feel good I’ll be screwed after.
But give me tren and deca all day I handle them very well.
Test,tren,ment,deca
All gonna give similar amounts of lbm give or take.
Of course things are not so simple for example
1200 test will build tad more muscle than 1200 tren because of the e2.
But 1200 test vs 1000 tren 200 test will build the same lbm.
So pick the compound that you respond best to or you maybe responding good to various combinations.
No need to fight over compounds they all grow you.
Me personally haven’t tried ment I think it will be disaster for me personally I don’t handle estro well and my prolactin elevates very easily. So I don’t mind taking it even if I feel good I’ll be screwed after.
But give me tren and deca all day I handle them very well.
