Anyone went from needing PDE5's (viagra etc) to no longer needing it?

[Dale338]

Anyone on here went from needing PDE5's (viagra cialis etc; etc) to needing nothing and back to completely natural? And if you did, how did you do it?

I can occasionally get a proper erection without any, but it's random, not reliable and certainly if I went into a sexual encounter without any, the doubts in my mind would prevent it from happening anyhow.

I realize if anyone achieved this feat, they likely went through a dramatic lifestyle change for the better and things came back. Now I am not talking about the guy who just uses these medications for an enhancement, etc; I'm talking about those who have went from needing these medications to achieve a proper erection, to being healthy and no longer needing them at all.

Judging by what I am reading on the web, it's almost now just expected that after about the age 40 you'll start needing these medications occasionally and by the age of 50, almost all men use them. I just feel like there has to be a better answer for this.

 

[TheOldFart]

Six or seven years ago I started having ED, along with depression, lack of energy and some loss of strength. I was 63-64 YO at the time. I had never had any problem at all before that. My doctor tested me for testosterone and it was at the bottom of the range. He prescribed Androgel and Viagra. The Androgel didn't really raise my TT much at all and 50mg of Viagra didn't work much at all. I never tried 100mg.

I asked him to switch me to Testim and it took 6 to 12 months to get my TT in the middle of the lab range. All of the symptoms got better and I have had no need for Viagra ever since. I'm now 71 YO and have no problem with erections. As far as erections are concerned, I could have sex every day, but I can no longer have an orgasm, or at least much of one, unless I have a day rest between sex. Twice a week is fine.

This might not be what you are really asking about, but it is my story. When I was 60 I could still have sex once or twice a day.

 

[Britman]

Six or seven years ago I started having ED, along with depression, lack of energy and some loss of strength. I was 63-64 YO at the time. I had never had any problem at all before that. My doctor tested me for testosterone and it was at the bottom of the range. He prescribed Androgel and Viagra. The Androgel didn't really raise my TT much at all and 50mg of Viagra didn't work much at all. I never tried 100mg.

I asked him to switch me to Testim and it took 6 to 12 months to get my TT in the middle of the lab range. All of the symptoms got better and I have had no need for Viagra ever since. I'm now 71 YO and have no problem with erections. As far as erections are concerned, I could have sex every day, but I can no longer have an orgasm, or at least much of one, unless I have a day rest between sex. Twice a week is fine.

This might not be what you are really asking about, but it is my story. When I was 60 I could still have sex once or twice a day.

Depending on the levels of Androgen I'm not surprised. I think for most reliable absorption to the blood stream injections are a necessary evil (not through practical experience but from reading forums).

I'm interested in the original posters question but my personal view is that PDE's would not be needed following use of them only if there was at least some sort of psychological issue partly to blame for the individuals erections. If its purely physical and in good health chances are you need them due to low testosterone levels as in my case.

 

[BBC3]

Yes, I can testify. I have been goofing with these meds for a couple of years now. I can say for sure with me that every time i run a couple of weeks on Cialis, the dik don't return that well without, and the Cialis seems to stop working in less than a month too...

But things seem to recover to par on their own within a week or two of laying back off Cialis (my preferred ED med). Don't know about long term use issues...

Anyone on here went from needing PDE5's (viagra cialis etc; etc) to needing nothing and back to completely natural? And if you did, how did you do it?

I can occasionally get a proper erection without any, but it's random, not reliable and certainly if I went into a sexual encounter without any, the doubts in my mind would prevent it from happening anyhow.

I realize if anyone achieved this feat, they likely went through a dramatic lifestyle change for the better and things came back. Now I am not talking about the guy who just uses these medications for an enhancement, etc; I'm talking about those who have went from needing these medications to achieve a proper erection, to being healthy and no longer needing them at all.

Judging by what I am reading on the web, it's almost now just expected that after about the age 40 you'll start needing these medications occasionally and by the age of 50, almost all men use them. I just feel like there has to be a better answer for this.

 

[Britman]

Yes, I can testify. I have been goofing with these meds for a couple of years now. I can say for sure with me that every time i run a couple of weeks on Cialis, the dik don't return that well without, and the Cialis seems to stop working in less than a month too...

But things seem to recover to par on their own within a week or two of laying back off Cialis (my preferred ED med). Don't know about long term use issues...

BBC so you are saying u currently do 2-3 weeks on viagra (what dosage and EOD 2 days or what?) and then 1 week nothing to flush the system?
This is because after 2-3 weeks cialis stops working for you?

This happen for anyone else? I've only every taken EOD 3 days 10mg for the 6 days and no longer (not in steady relationship so no need)

But worrying if the drug doesn't work after only 2-3 weeks.

What age are you BBC? And general health? Assume not on TRT? And just solely PdE drugs...

 

[Tyler81]

Yes, I can testify. I have been goofing with these meds for a couple of years now. I can say for sure with me that every time i run a couple of weeks on Cialis, the dik don't return that well without, and the Cialis seems to stop working in less than a month too...

But things seem to recover to par on their own within a week or two of laying back off Cialis (my preferred ED med). Don't know about long term use issues...

I've used cialis both on and off TRT as a psychological crutch because you know the equipment will rise to the occasion when needed and that takes off some mental pressure. But the problem is, sometimes cialis makes it too easy to get an errection and the foreplay aspect and the arousal aspect gets cut short so when you take away the cialis you realize oh shit wait she needs to actually turn me on for me to pop wood its not as "clockwork" as it is with the pde-5 drugs.

That's why ive never used it continously and only use it sometimes.

 

[Tyler81]

Pde-5 drugs almost make errections so easy the woman doesnt need to do much. She brushes up against you and rubs your dick a bit and you are rock hard. Whereas without the drugs its a lot more foreplay and arousal needs to build up to get and sustain an errection which is probably more normal physiologically.

That's just my take on it.

So to answer your original question... yes. I have used cialis in spurts like for a month or two and then not taken it for a month or two and the main difference ive found is that is takes me longer to get an errection without it but it does happen just with more foreplay and arousal. Which includes the woman making more of an effort to GET me aroused which isnt necessarily a bad thing either. Most dicks dont get hard as fast as they do on these ED drugs so it sets unrealistic expectations if you are on them longterm.

I have no issues with these drugs but i think occasional breaks are good and make her turn you on and let the arousal build and try to get boners naturally too.

 

[Britman]

Tyler81

Good points you make. However for me being currently low testosterone all the time (no TRT) I take Cialis just as much for a better feeling down there during the rest of the time I.e a more fuller feeling in the penis which is basically just blood flow of course and dilated blood vessels.

Otherwise with low T the dick seems limp and smaller. Plus with cialis you get more spontaneous erections which in turn make you feel more like sex.

I think this is often overlooked medically because all the talk is viagra etc won't give u the urge for sex which I get. But for me at least I often would feel like sex in my head but if the dick ain't responding u quickly go off the idea and this leads to longer term feelings. But in the other hand if u are get an erection more often or not I want to use it be it masturbation or sex.so all in all cialis gives me a more satisafsctory feeling even not during sex and that is arguably even more importunant for me at least.

Testosterone is also a vasodilator so if my body had heathy levels for my age I'm sure my penis would be much fuller without the need for cialis

 

[Tyler81]

Britman I have a hypothesis that ED drugs can actually produce short burst of testosterone because when I was off TRT I would take cialis and would feel hornier for some reason.

I used to use cialis off TRT and bang my gf 3-4x within a 24 hour period. And this was with levels below 300.

So I wonder if the ED drugs produce a boner and having wood actually creates a short burst of testosterone release.

I would find myself hornier after I dosed cialis than without it.

I don't get this effect while on TRT so I suspect natty T rises a bit when you use cialis.

Purely a hypothesis based on my own experiences.

 

[BBC3]

On health. First I would like to note THAT I AM CERTAIN that avg middle aged guys who cant get it up is due to muscle content & body fat composition & Cardio issues associated. But primarily BMI as pertaining to lack of active muscle. I used to suspect but now I know for fact due to my fat ass.

My Findings as I have gotten fat and weak in muscle and cardio, this is what happens..:

1. ZERO MORNING WOOD. Forget about it. And this is a good sign yer dik is going to be in big trouble soon. Cause night wood is responsible for keeping your wood in shape. Stretching those capillaries out and doing the hold up thing that keeps it hard.

2. BODY FAT IS a HUGE PLAYER. But really its more like LACK OF MUSCLE. Some of both. But these are the real reasons for healthy mid aged male incidence of ED. If you think about it all the blood in your body associated with fat is going to remain STABLE IN FAT. Fat does not change very dynamically and remains same volume.

A.) Try an experiment and do low cals (low sugar and fat for a week or two) so that the fluid in fat dries up a bit. Then see what happens when you get it up. I have little doubt that blood components change dramatically at this point due to less fluid in fat will mean less blood trapped in fat. Hence more available fluid for this brief period. This will of course even out over a continued profile like this if not beefing up muscle at same time. This will have minimal effect still and because of the nature of fat metabolism and the natural fluid retention of said...! But still you will create conditions where the body will have excess fluids available, AND BRIEFLY, and only due to fat trying to gain back its share of fluid...! Which will tell some proof in what I am saying. Still this is somewhat in controversy to my primary point here. POINT - Which is having muscle content is good for wood, and whether you are fat or not.. **And given you have to muscle to carry the fat readily when exherting work stress. So I am not focusing on cardio as a CAUSE, but an EFFECT and POTENTIAL LIMITER (yes this is contrary to my general past statements as just "Cardio is the cause"). I'm leaning toward "Symptom" more so these days.

B.) Now consider muscle composition. Muscle will both require and probably process more metabolic blood/fluid related activity on avg ALL day and night, and much more if they are actively trained. Muscles can contract and and when worked most likely don't hold blood as "fluid" for as long and turn it over and back out to body faster when fit. Still they are DYNAMICALLY WORKING Blood and fluids in and out and FAST by their nature especially when trained to PUMP UP... Fat don't do this... Consider, if you have well trained muscle sitting idle between work outs, and how blown up with blood and fluid they are even after the workout pump fades, as stressed muscle tissue is being fed post workout 24/7. I speculate the fluid content of trained muscle is very similar BOTH when pumped and/or resting. Yes they look different though, "pumped or not pumped", so i discriminate for this example to when training is well established and consistent day to day.. But note that body weight does not change that dramatically if you consider really well trained muscles, before workout, during workout, and post workout - and under the above conditions. ITS JUST DYNAMIC IN ACTION and way more than fat/adipose tissue. So I am saying that trained, large muscles at rest, actually contain the same amount, OR more blood than when pumped up..! (my thoughts). And because when you work them I speculate that they expand with a lot more than just "blood" as general fluid retention will be very high in from more than a "red cell and plasma count". There is fluid going in there to sweat and lube interior muscle tissue and other stuff at the time of WORK, so the tissues are larger due to general "Hydration" increase overall when working muscles. Consider you can donate blood plasma every 2 days..!!! I wonder how the plasma metabolism/creation rate varies between folks with a lot of muscle and a little muscle.!! (and BMI NOT CONSIDERED!) I also note that my ejaculations are much weaker in my poor condition which is consistent with my hypothesis in that my deflated muscles are not PRESENT there to retain general "fluid" throughout the day, and simply because I am sedentary right now. They have no need to retain lots of fluid ever in my condition. SO I AM SAYING that a massive set of "pumpable legs, will provide an incredible amount of potential "fluid" to go to dik when not working out, and even more at rest/sleep.. Stability of these conditions increasing with length of time on training..

C.) So now consider "fluid availability" when an untrained man (fat or skinny) is asleep. THERE IS NO "DYNAMIC DEMAND" FLUID AT THIS POINT because fat does not do this. So where is the blood to fill the cock during sleep gonna come from? NOWHERE..! The best case scenario for a man with no muscle volume and density - - -is for blood pressure to fall to the magic point of evening out throughout the body and maybe get one loafer throughout the night at best! **The magic point for night wood now almost impossible to reach now, as the untrained muscles down have excess fluid and the FAT WON'T GIVE IT UP.!! And its proven that dehydration kills wood and seminal volume. And when we are talking about with regard to shit health and beer drinking, DEHYDRATION HAS A DIFFERENT MEANING FROM A TRAINED MAN's DEHYDRATION, or even an untrained man's dehydration. When you are in the poor condition and conducting the general abuse that many middle aged men participate in today, we are talking a CONSTANT STATE of DIURETIC DEHYDRATION, which isa condition where cells JUST DON'T WANT TO RETAIN FLUID PROPERLY AND are extra fast to expell any excess..! And in my current condition of BEERUROSIS, I wager my muscle has forgotten how to retain blood/fluid for any extent more that AT THE TIME OF WORK!!! Untrained muscles simply cant hold the excess and DYNAMIC Blood and fluids because they have no reason to.. And fat fluid is just a lot more STATIC and does not change on a dime. A fat man don't wake up five pounds lighter even. Not till a week of starvation when the fat cells finally give up their fluid, or unless he forgets to eat his nice big bowl of ice cream and 12-pack before bed a couple of days running.. LOL (and I know)... ALSO - "Weight set points" will fight to get back to a nice fat, stable, and plump par quickly in a low muscle content profile... SO POINT... FAT WILL NOT DYNAMICALLY JUST GIVE UP ITS FLUID VOLUME TO MAKE WOOD. It REFUSES...! AND ESPECIALLY WHEN SLEEPING...! Muscles on the other hand are trained to fill with AND dump fluid on a dime, and function like that naturally...! Metabolism to repair muscles has the luxury to slow down at night due to other metabolic processes also slowing down and freeing these "fluid resources", thus fluids release a bit more from muscle, or can have to propensity to, when sleeping. And due to entire body not under work load at sleep and potentiated by the lack of blood fluids needed in body areas when awake (ranging from ALL muscles to heart and lungs)..! So the sleep process of shutting down at night during sleep actually puts a bunch of fluid back into circulation and where's it got to go.??! Also consider that if you ARE ALSO OBESE, it would appear that the FAT is more likely to accept excess fluids when resting, than the DIK.. Take away all body fat and have good working muscle, and the only place (and "external soft tissue" the excess fluids have to go is the DIK. So you are like an inner tube with a bulge (the part still healthy is the muscle), and the inner tube gets cold after coming off the road and this bulge with is this "soft" tissue compared to the rest of the tube in good condition which not cools and shrinks in VOLUME now contracts and there is more pressure on the bulge which can more easily expand.

D.) Lastly, one thing I note as a middle aged fat man with no muscle is that..:

1. If i do wake with morning wood, all i have to do now is barely move, or get my heart moving a tad, and BOOM that wood is gone. No more risk of banging it on the door heading for the bathroom to piss.!
2. If I wind up just right hormonally speaking, and have a cialis on board, and actually get wood I don't have to squeeze at the base to get DAK crazy wife of mine, which usually never stands up to penetrate without a "directional squeeze assist", and if she actually gets going and clamps that pussy down on it she will kill it. I have fucked more times now with a SEMI that I care to think about..!
3. And the biggest tell is that if I am really super in tune and have the occasional diamond cutter that I can just ram her with, and we are talking in and out COMPLETELY HANDS FREE and can even do other task with my hands like tweaking her tits, holding her ankles in the air making take it like a blow up doll, or shoving my fingers in her mouth to make her suk em while I hammer her ass , Then the second I start to get a muscle pump in my arms and legs - BOOM !! The wood is gone...!!! Again the ability of the muscles to take and give fluid on a dime. It I was trained the muscles would already have close to max volume of fluid, and would not toll my wood to get more blood for the quad or arm pump...!

I'm on and off TRT. I have run dik meds both ways.

No I don't prefer Viagra. I just stop all dik meds once not working well. I will take an occasional Viagra for a change. But, I will run Cialis 2-3 weeks straight (when i get some), and 10mgs at once sometimes. Usually avging 5mgs a day works awesome. Note that India brand pharma knock offs do not work 50% as well/ i usually find. And the quality control is shit. Don't think that because you can take 20mgs of India Pharma Cialis at once that this applies to Brand Cialis. You will find yourself in mild discomfort if you do..! I don't really like viagra at all. It does not work nearly as well as cialis. And GEEZZUS, the marital strife it can lead to when you take a Viagra in anticipation of SEX and the wife don't want it. You start to question your existence in that situation and learn to HATE HER ASS FAST..! So there are many reasons to choose CIALIS.. You can get a 30 day script of Cialis from any doc and then complete a form at Cialis MANU, Print it up and give it to the pharmacist once a year and they give you (#30) 5mg pills for free if you want to try it.

The irony is that while viagra is more aggressive and uncomfortable IMHO, it actually takes longer to kick in (45mins), and only good for 4 hours. Cialis on the other hand lasts a couple of days and takes 15-30mins to kik. Its just a better drug to me.. With brand Cialis I am literally walking around town with a TOM JONES hanging down my pants leg many times...

Viagra HAS gone generic now fyi... I will call the pharma and see the price actually. Cause the Dik Doc tried to get me to buy his house brand the other day at the hospital pharmacy and they were freaking a dollar a pop for 20mg viagras. That's SHIT PRICING for generic - you would think..?!?!? So i wonder now the actual drug store price of generic viagra..

I'm mid 40's and YES I will now say that without the extra testosterone my dik don't want to work at all, and due to excessive body fat shutting T production down. I'm heavy and big, but hide it well. Lead in bones I think. But BMI is high like 25% right now. "Health"... Over all still good and I still got a little lead left in the pencil, but I got to get working out soon. I'm not working out and in worst shape of my life I am sure of this.

DAMN did that just happen??!!!! SheeeeiiT..!

BBC so you are saying u currently do 2-3 weeks on viagra (what dosage and EOD 2 days or what?) and then 1 week nothing to flush the system?
This is because after 2-3 weeks cialis stops working for you?

This happen for anyone else? I've only every taken EOD 3 days 10mg for the 6 days and no longer (not in steady relationship so no need)

But worrying if the drug doesn't work after only 2-3 weeks.

What age are you BBC? And general health? Assume not on TRT? And just solely PdE drugs...

 

[BBC3]

One last on DIK DRUGS. Here is a list of Analog Drugs manufactured "Illegally" and possible sold at your corner gas station. Courtesy of FDA.. It even tells you which ingredients they have LOL. Happy shopping...!

So see THIS LINK for your shopping pleasure...
Tainted Sexual Enhancement Products

By "analog", which i think is the correct term. We are talking about a molecular modification to the substance which makes them more effective.

Still many on the list are just sold in gas stations with either cialis, viagra, or vardenifil in them but not controlled by FDA therefore corp America says you aint gettin em..
Some are even combinations of cialis and viagra...

But the analogs have names like "aminotadalafil" -- A.K.A. - (6R,12aR)-2-amino-6-(1,3-benzodioxol-5-yl)-2,3,6,7,12,12a-hexahydropyrazino [1',2':1,6] pyrido [3,4-b] indole-1,4-dione..

AND... "2-hydroxyethylnortadalafil"







Detection of a tadalafil analogue as an adulterant in a dietary supplement for erectile dysfunction. - PubMed - NCBI


THE ONES I HAVE TRIED ARE WAY BETTER IN ACTION AND LAST LONGER PRIMARILY

 

[Britman]

Tyler81

I think you saying something similar to me i.e. you feel more like sex when taking Cialis.

However, I don't think it is down to higher T as a result of Cialis. There are some studies that purport a rise in Total T when taking Cialis but I have not seen any credible scientific study confirming this. Even if this is the case and you were say 300 TT - what do you think Cialis would push this up to? I would imagine to 350 or so TT at most nearing on 20% increase say. This wouldn't do much.

For me it is simply a case of getting better and more frequent boners. If I get a boner like any guy I get restless and want to use it lol. My brain always produces thoughts about sex especially seeing a hot girl but with low T the dick can be limp and not responsive.

I go periods where down below seems cold if thats the right word and when getting erections at times my dick although hard just doesn't seem full and achieving its proper 'pump'.

I can normally get a proper erection again when I use Cialis or Viagra - the latter I use less due to cost and efficacy time but it works better. Cialis I can get the odd great 10mg pill and then other times it seems to have a negligible effect. I only use legit drugs btw. Cialis I get on prescription and Viagra I buy myself for about £6 a pill here in the UK. Not bad considering the price of these drugs about 10-15 years ago.

Testosterone vasodilates the blood vessels. I don't think it's as strong at doing this as nitric oxide though hence why PDE inhibitors are so effective. However, it probably does explain why guys with low testosterone suffer from limp dick syndrome a bit more or why old guys bits are shrivelled up ...less blood flowing down there due to narrowed vessels means less warmth and fullness - my thinking anyway.


BBC3 - assume your self-medicating then? if on and off TRT since a doc would not or should not be taking you off all the time

 

[Tyler81]

Cialis actually raises free testosterone. This is probably what i was describing:

Cialis for Improved Testosterone Count? How the Erection Pill may Also Increase T Levels

 

[Tyler81]

Better article on the benefits of cialis:

Long Term Cialis Use - Benefits

4. Testeosterone and the T/E Ratio. Don't forget that long term Cialis use has been shown to significantly improve the all-important testosterone to estrogen ratio by an average of 24%. A one year study of males with an average age of 54 showed an increase in testosterone of 5.5% and a decrease in estrogen of 15%. [2] These are significant numbers and show the power of getting "back in the sack". Remember that the 24% increase means you have significantly more testosterone molecules floating around versus estrogen, almost always a good thing for us guys.

 

[Sk8man101]

Six or seven years ago I started having ED, along with depression, lack of energy and some loss of strength. I was 63-64 YO at the time. I had never had any problem at all before that. My doctor tested me for testosterone and it was at the bottom of the range. He prescribed Androgel and Viagra. The Androgel didn't really raise my TT much at all and 50mg of Viagra didn't work much at all. I never tried 100mg.

I asked him to switch me to Testim and it took 6 to 12 months to get my TT in the middle of the lab range. All of the symptoms got better and I have had no need for Viagra ever since. I'm now 71 YO and have no problem with erections. As far as erections are concerned, I could have sex every day, but I can no longer have an orgasm, or at least much of one, unless I have a day rest between sex. Twice a week is fine.

This might not be what you are really asking about, but it is my story. When I was 60 I could still have sex once or twice a day.

You are a champ! 71 and still gettin it twice a week with no boner pills!

 

[BBC3]

@Britman - Do we not ALL self-medicate...?!?

"Call the nurse if you have any problems".... (OR DIE) And because as a "Doc" I am most likely an extremely introverted NERD who has much difficulty walking and chewing bubble gum...!?

You are here for a REASON.. Always. I HAVE wondered WHY..???

 

[BBC3]

I agree and suspect the same. Or more like a burst of Androgen conversion.. Or prevention of E production. But I have had MANY moments when on and off TRT where a sudden muscle pump, libido burst, and great working dik have occurred on conjunction with Cialis use..! AGREED...

Britman I have a hypothesis that ED drugs can actually produce short burst of testosterone because when I was off TRT I would take cialis and would feel hornier for some reason.

I used to use cialis off TRT and bang my gf 3-4x within a 24 hour period. And this was with levels below 300.

So I wonder if the ED drugs produce a boner and having wood actually creates a short burst of testosterone release.

I would find myself hornier after I dosed cialis than without it.

I don't get this effect while on TRT so I suspect natty T rises a bit when you use cialis.

Purely a hypothesis based on my own experiences.

 

[Britman]

Tyler81

Yeah but where is the proper and credible scientific journals to back up this claim i.e. empirical data. I could write a report saying whatever I like doesn't meant o say its true.

I don't think 24% increase of my levels of 300 which makes 372 is the reason I feel more like sex if I get a good cialis or viagra pill. In my head I'm always up for sex with good looking girl - thats just how my brain is wired. But my dick needs to work well too which is where the cialis or viagra comes in for those with low T or other issues.The nitric oxide dilates the blood vessels and makes your dick fuller and also easier to maintain an erection. Simple as that.

 

[Dale338]

The thing I've noticed is that using these medication sparingly, really seems to help it's effectiveness. I don;t buy the more you use them the better you feel theory of that of cialis. When I was popping cialis, levitra and viagra daily, often even mixing them, they started to fail. I took a good 6 week vacation from them all and now use viagra maybe three times per week. I'm using a lower dose of viagra as well. Half what I did before and bam, it works and works well. I want these medications to work for years to come, not abuse them.

I think this daily long term use of cialis is hooey, myself. Designed to sell more drugs. Use them sparingly and they will work for you for many years.

Science has proven you become tolerant to these medications and have to take more and more of them and then the ultimately fail.

 

[Britman]

Dale338

I'm sure PDE inhibitor's are no different to any other drug. The human body is clever and will build up some resistance to whatever is put in it externally. The trouble is if you need to rely on a drug consistently and over the long term.

Be good to know who on this board has been running a PDE inhibitor the longest and what kind of frequency/dosage.

I have taken cialis for the past 8 years but very infrequently ..like an average of one per month say and probably about a dozen or so viagra pills in total over the same time. I've found cialis to work ok'ish most of the time and the very odd time I seem to get a pill that works as good as viagra does for me (full penis with great erections or should I say normal healthy ones). I can almost feel it in my head too straight away like a small rush of blood to the head. I'm quite happy with that as a side effect if it means good boners lol.

I have never done more than 10mg cialis every 3 days for 6 days total so don't know when it would stop working if using consecutively. Using sporadically - as I say - not every pill works as well and I also get the odd one which works only marginally (always a disappointment when that happens).

I guess the trick is to mix it up a bit and trick the body by using different drugs and taking the odd short break (this is a bit difficult for those relying on the drugs for healthy erections that are in a relationship). A bit like when exercising in the gym you need to vary your workout otherwise you body hits a point of diminishing returns.

Another thing I would try to do is eat foods high in L-arginine which I believe is important for nitric oxide formation. Nuts are good in this regard. Although I'm not the best at being disciplined with certain foods types especially if busy at work and little time. Something I can improve on for sure.