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anyway to test caber?
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sc0rcher
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Not sure if there's any lab test for the caber, but easy way is blood test to check yr prolactin level. Easy if you have elevated prolactin level prior, as caber works wonder to lower the level rapidly. Else just check yr erection. If you can't maintain erection during sex, it's a sign of elevated prolactin.
Why r u using a dopamine agonist?
They are NOT needed nor are the beneficial when ANY AAS is cycled including the19Nor anabolic agents .
Regs
Jim
They are NOT needed nor are the beneficial when ANY AAS is cycled including the19Nor anabolic agents .
Regs
Jim
Caber is pretty standard to run with tren, what ever are you talking about?
Ya so I've heard, but if you want to know the facts based on existing scientific evidence, rather than an opinion based on dogma, anecdotes or "experiences", check out the thread called "Tren causing lactin worried" for starters.
If you would like for me to forward any citations that support my statements, exclusive of that which is so well established it can be readily located on Google book excerpts, let me know but please be specific.
While your at it see if you can locate ANY evidence that 19Nor AAS elevate Prolactin levels. I mean it's telling in my opinion, even though Nandrolone has been used for medicinal purposes for close to half a century there is not one citation in the literature, including case reports, which makes this claim or association!
This is a classic example of bro-science, and unfortunately there are many more!
Regs
jim
If you would like for me to forward any citations that support my statements, exclusive of that which is so well established it can be readily located on Google book excerpts, let me know but please be specific.
While your at it see if you can locate ANY evidence that 19Nor AAS elevate Prolactin levels. I mean it's telling in my opinion, even though Nandrolone has been used for medicinal purposes for close to half a century there is not one citation in the literature, including case reports, which makes this claim or association!
This is a classic example of bro-science, and unfortunately there are many more!
Regs
jim
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Sworder
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People that use caber have never gotten their prolactin levels taken while on cycle of tren/deca and/or don't use an AI.
Dr Jim, dontcha know about the NOR-19s??? PROLACTIN induced gyno from tren/deca lol. Must have caber/prami the bro science is true.
Honestly I think it's the research companies that are behind this. Conspiracy theory
Dr Jim, dontcha know about the NOR-19s??? PROLACTIN induced gyno from tren/deca lol. Must have caber/prami the bro science is true.
Honestly I think it's the research companies that are behind this. Conspiracy theory
foreveryoung
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testing prolactin to see if your caber is legit is a bad idea, because it wouldn't rule out prami being sold as caber
I know that's not what Sworder is suggesting.
He is saying, if BB would test their Prolactin levels when cycling 19Nor AAS they would NOT be inquiring about dopamine agonists "therapy" from the outset.
I've measured prolactin levels on many BB who believed it was causing their gynecomastia, and NOT ONE had an elevated Prolactin level "because of 19Nor AAS".
Reg
Jim
He is saying, if BB would test their Prolactin levels when cycling 19Nor AAS they would NOT be inquiring about dopamine agonists "therapy" from the outset.
I've measured prolactin levels on many BB who believed it was causing their gynecomastia, and NOT ONE had an elevated Prolactin level "because of 19Nor AAS".
Reg
Jim
Sworder
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It's a joke because that is what everyone says all the time. Most frequent line about something that isn't true
Serious question here Dr Jim.....
When running tren, why will guys have problems getting or staying hard?
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When running tren, why will guys have problems getting or staying hard?
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Sworder
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Unfair question, because guys on testosterone experience ED too. Nobody knows exactly how Libido works and "the formula" or the "magic numbers" you need on labs is unknown. It is too complicated for us to figure out. Neurotransmitters and site specific levels of hormones are needed to figure those things out as well.
Personally, tren increases my libido.
Fair response. I agree that so many things factor in that it'd be really tough to narrow it down to one thing.
My libido stays high as well when running tren. But usually around the 6th week I start having problems. Not getting hard, but staying hard. I think a lot if it is mental but some of it isn't. I know when I run Prami along side tren, I never have any issues what so ever. It really is bro-science....I have no explanation for why it works, it just does.
If someone wants a test subject to test the effects of tren and prolactin..... I'll volunteer! As long as the tren is free....
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Sworder
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Fair response. I agree that so many things factor in that it'd be really tough to narrow it down to one thing.
My libido stays high as well when running tren. But usually around the 6th week I start having problems. Not getting hard, but staying hard. I think a lot if it is mental but some of it isn't. I know when I run Prami along side tren, I never have any issues what so ever. It really is bro-science....I have no explanation for why it works, it just does.
If someone wants a test subject to test the effects of tren and prolactin..... I'll volunteer! As long as the tren is free....
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I don't think the prami is the only variable in the equation. what other drugs are you using? Tren test hcg anastrozole prami? Get labs done?
SEOINAGE
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Interesting thread. Kind of interested in learning more on this topic, I've run caber before at really low doses, too much and I reached orgasm too soon, but prior I was having a hard time getting there, but so far have attributed that now to low E2. As for going limp during sex after being on tren a long time.... Let me know the answer. But guessing if E2 popped up being high after running labs like sworder said it would be the first thing to target.
Anyone included MT-II in their cycles? seems to help with maintaining erections.
Anyone included MT-II in their cycles? seems to help with maintaining erections.
Which guys are u referring to? I don't believe that's a problem for most, especially if some TT is included when cycling Tren
Running 400mg tren a and 250mg test w per week. Nothing else. So the only thing that I can attribute the problem to is elevated prolactin levels. Prami seems to work better for me than caber. I know there's not a lot, if any, real science to back this up.
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Sorry to the op..... I didn't mean to hijack the thread with this. It should've been posted in a new topic...
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As the "cycles" are NOT life long
foreveryoung
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rutman. I notice similar, I'm running caber now for that very reason
what is your prami protocol, I never had any luck with that drug
what is your prami protocol, I never had any luck with that drug
