Approximate gains per year on PEDs

[snowman96]

Can anyone share from his own experience, how the amount of possible muscle-gain on PEDs will be over the years?

Let´s assume, that someone has trained natural for some years and then starts with steroid-doses between 500-1000 mg, then he will often gain around 20-25 lbs of muscle in the first year, but it will become slower and slower over the time.
Then he starts with HGH around 8 iU per day and insulin after 1-1,5 years of steroids only, and will certainly get another significant boost in gains, maybe again 20-25 lbs of muscle in the following year.

But how much more gains are then still attainable, after you got the gains from your first boost of the first steroid-cycles, and the second boost of HGH and insulin?

 

[PaintDrinker]

But for someone with average genetics?...
20-25 lbs of muscle after one year of steroids seems to be the average, and another 20 lbs after 1 year of HGH also.
I am wondering, if most gains on PEDs can already be made after 2 years, when you start with HGH and insulin early.

Um I think it would be extremely rare that someone would put on 45 lbs of real tissue in 2 years. I mean 25lbs in your first year of real true muscle is already a genetic outlier. Adding in GH for another 20lbs the next year? Not sure where this is coming from.

I think your confusing bloating up like a fucking guppy with muscle gains my dude.

Wait and then starting the insulin early? My heads spinning right now. You don’t need insulin until you’re pushing a shitload of calories either, most guys have 0 clue how to use it, I’m a horrible example of this but the majority of rec users won’t need insulin in the first 2 years or even maybe ever lol.

 

[snowman96]

Um I think it would be extremely rare that someone would put on 45 lbs of real tissue in 2 years. I mean 25lbs in your first year of real true muscle is already a genetic outlier. Adding in GH for another 20lbs the next year? Not sure where this is coming from.

I think your confusing bloating up like a fucking guppy with muscle gains my dude.

At least HGH is known for increasing intramuscular water dramatically, and this intramuscular water should look like real tissue over the time, since muscle-mass consists to most part of water anyway.
This is observed by many HGH-users, and they dont mean the HGH-water from the first weeks, but the intramuscular water-increase over the time.
I mean, with Creatin it´s the same. Of course it not new muscle, which you get from Creatin after 1-2 weeks, but at least it looks like new muscle/tissue.

Also I want to remind, (which some users here seemed to forgot) that 45 lbs in two years was my estimation for someone, who is consistent in PEDs these two years, going up to 1,5-2g in the first year, and starting with high HGH and insulin after the first year.

 

[DECLAN]

Man, I could only wish I can put on 5lbs of pure muscle consistently every year, 50lbs on my frame in 10years is pro potential for me lol.

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

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[BigDadd7]

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