Are heavy deadlifts safe in the long term?

[kosp]

Recently I am getting really engaged with this exercise, as I just surpassed the 200kg barrier and I am now feeling the toughness and adrenaline of this exercise, I like to do it once per week in the back day.

So far the technique feels good even though my posterior chain is going up too much when I start the lift, I am working to correct that. It's like my glutes aren't as solid and packed as I would like.

My question is, is there any scientific evidence that it can hurt your spine in the long term? What about powerlifters when they get old?

 

[VenomYo]

This doesnt pertain to the spine and such, but the stimulation you put on your traps when you deadlift is usually what ends up giving people sleep apnea. I guarantee that anyone who deals with sleep apnea also does heavy compounds that overwork the trapezius muscle

Not my cup of tea. infact i do my absolute best to avoid anything that stimulates the traps, but i cant stop them from growing on roids either way, i can only do my best to minimize their growth

Try doing a workout of heavy farmer carries and shrugs, really beat your traps up, i guarantee youre going to have trouble breathing and sporadic waking when you go to bed later that day

Each to their own, just know that every time you deadlift you are moving one step closer to having to use a cpap machine

 

[kosp]

This doesnt pertain to the spine and such, but the stimulation you put on your traps when you deadlift is usually what ends up giving people sleep apnea. I guarantee that anyone who deals with sleep apnea also does heavy compounds that overwork the trapezius muscle

Not my cup of tea. infact i do my absolute best to avoid anything that stimulates the traps, but i cant stop them from growing on roids either way, i can only do my best to minimize their growth

Try doing a workout of heavy farmer carries and shrugs, really beat your traps up, i guarantee youre going to have trouble breathing when you go to bed later that day

Each to their own, just know that every time you deadlift you are moving one step closer to having to use a cpap machine

First time I hear a relationship between traps training and sleep apnea, are you sure there are no more factors about that?

 

[VenomYo]

First time I hear a relationship between traps training and sleep apnea, are you sure there are no more factors about that?

its very easy to verify for yourself, like I said go do some heavy farmer carries and shrugs and see how it goes when youre going to bed. the traps literally constrict your airways when theyre big enough, all powerlifters/strongmen/big bodybuilders use cpaps. even this guy on the left uses a cpap and his traps arent huge, but medium sized. the one thing everyone using a cpap who has breathing issues has in common are overdeveloped traps



do you have big traps?

 

[VenomYo]

heres larry wheels he loves to deadlift he also uses a cpap because his gigantic traps are literally choking him out as you can see very clearly. You cant even tell where his neck muscles end and where his traps begin, theyre just morphed into each other putting pressure in all the wrong places

 

[kosp]

interesting

 

[VenomYo]

interesting

i didnt mean to take away from your joy of deadlifting, just know all aspects of what you are doing. This is exclusively a problem roid users have to think about, nattys can never get big enough traps to cause sleep apnea

Personally for me my traps grow too much and I do everything to avoid stimulating them, its an actual problem. If i was to do deadlifts or farmer carrys again i would look ridiculous in no time with malproportioned traps

 

[kosp]

i didnt mean to take away from your joy of deadlifting, just know all aspects of what you are doing. This is exclusively a problem roid users have to think about, nattys can never get big enough traps to cause sleep apnea

Personally for me my traps grow too much and I do everything to avoid stimulating them, its an actual problem. If i was to do deadlifts or farmer carrys again i would look ridiculous in no time with malproportioned traps

I am natty, did a few cycles in the past, have decent traps IMO, and everybody notices.

Still, never had that issue, doesn´t sound nice at all man.

 

[VenomYo]

I am natty, did a few cycles in the past, have decent traps IMO, and everybody notices.

Still, never had that issue, doesn´t sound nice at all man.

yeah its probably not a concern if ur natty. i dont see why it would be a problem then

 

[Type-IIx]

No, trapezius mass is not associated with obstructive sleep apnea. Know what is though, and is actually common to all the guys listed? rhGH and testosterone. The former can worsen sleep apnea by promoting adenotonsillar growth, and the latter likely plays a role in hypoxemic neural response.

Of course, overall body mass is correlated with sleep apnea also, but I don't see the trapezius as a muscle group that causes this or worsens this in particular.

 

[Canknucklehead]

I say deadlift away as long as your form is good... post 35 years of age you might want to stay in the higher rep ranges... just my personal opinion

 

[Hightower]

Recently I am getting really engaged with this exercise, as I just surpassed the 200kg barrier and I am now feeling the toughness and adrenaline of this exercise, I like to do it once per week in the back day.

So far the technique feels good even though my posterior chain is going up too much when I start the lift, I am working to correct that. It's like my glutes aren't as solid and packed as I would like.

My question is, is there any scientific evidence that it can hurt your spine in the long term? What about powerlifters when they get old?

I think it’s worth not madly chasing results, but paying attention to technology is the key to the health and safety of your classes

 

[Hightower]

I say deadlift away as long as your form is good... post 35 years of age you might want to stay in the higher rep ranges... just my personal opinion

I think with age, tired of strength training in terms of injuries simply accumulates, and already a person wants to reduce the risk of injury more, but improve the quality of the body with minimal risks. Did I understand you correctly?

 

[Hightower]

No, trapezius mass is not associated with obstructive sleep apnea. Know what is though, and is actually common to all the guys listed? rhGH and testosterone. The former can worsen sleep apnea by promoting adenotonsillar growth, and the latter likely plays a role in hypoxemic neural response.

Of course, overall body mass is correlated with sleep apnea also, but I don't see the trapezius as a muscle group that causes this or worsens this in particular.

It always seemed to me that apnea is the lot of big guys with very large even excessive body weight. I never thought that exercise or anabolics could contribute to the development of this problem. And what is really the matter or is it a mass of factors? in my head there is no clear understanding of the reason

 

[Type-IIx]

It always seemed to me that apnea is the lot of big guys with very large even excessive body weight. I never thought that exercise or anabolics could contribute to the development of this problem. And what is really the matter or is it a mass of factors? in my head there is no clear understanding of the reason

It's a combination of all the factors: body mass, rhGH, test

 

[Canknucklehead]

I think with age, tired of strength training in terms of injuries simply accumulates, and already a person wants to reduce the risk of injury more, but improve the quality of the body with minimal risks. Did I understand you correctly?

Still deadlift hard, but instead of doing sets of 1-6 reps with 90% of your 1RM.
Go for sets of 8-12 reps with 80% of your 1RM.

Less likely to injure yourself. You can still train hard and to failure, just cut the intensity so slightly and do some more time under tension.

Those super low rep sets get a bit more dangerous the older you get.

 

[Hightower]

It's a combination of all the factors: body mass, rhGH, test

Just why I ask the question, I have acquaintances with apnea, both on anabolics and without, but all with a very large body weight. Therefore, I thought so, it will be necessary to study this issue in more detail.

 

[Hightower]

Still deadlift hard, but instead of doing sets of 1-6 reps with 90% of your 1RM.
Go for sets of 8-12 reps with 80% of your 1RM.

Less likely to injure yourself. You can still train hard and to failure, just cut the intensity so slightly and do some more time under tension.

Those super low rep sets get a bit more dangerous the older you get.

Here I agree, lately I have been paying attention to approaches in the range of 10,15,20. And I noticed, although it’s hard, it’s safer. In my youth, I liked to work with singles or 2 repetitions. But I'm getting old and I need to change.

 

[Rido]

I say deadlift away as long as your form is good... post 35 years of age you might want to stay in the higher rep ranges... just my personal opinion

I miss heavy deadlifts. Past 375 I get an old herniated disc pain. Makes me sad. But whatever, there are other lifts.

 

[theotherguy]

I personally have found that spinal injuries from deadlift are almost universally from poor form and/or weakness is antagonist muscles.

This knowledge comes from years of training and talking with other people, so its strictly anecdotal and not based on anything remotely scientific. But I’ve never heard of a lifter with good form fucking up their spine. Just look at all of the world class and even elite level PL’ers.

All speculation on my part of course.