Rido
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Idk man. I think it's just speculation. Atleast for me, my brother and mother have it and they didndt lift.
You see some assholes like diesel weasel back in the day with no back issues
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Are heavy deadlifts safe in the long term?
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You see some assholes like diesel weasel back in the day with no back issues
theotherguy
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So it’s sounds like your issue is genetic maybe?
My comment was more about having spinal injuries as a result of lifting, not about genetic predisposition. I didn’t mean to say you only have it because of poor technique, I only meant that spinal injuries directly from lifting are likely caused by poor mechanics
Deezznutzz
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At 45 over a year ago I got an inguinal hernia from doing deadlifts over 300 pounds. Now that the left side is fixed I wish they would have fixed the right side because I'm not sure if it has poked through yet but I can kind of feel something lightly bulging on the other side. So I tend to go lighter nowadays. I wish the doctor would have put two sides of mesh but he said the right side looked good when he was doing the left side.... but almost immediately after the left side healed and I started lifting again I can feel a bulge on the right side. I don't know if it's poked through yet. My doctor said sometimes when you have inguinal hernia is it can just be ramming the fashia and not poking through yet. So you can still kind of feel a small bubble. it's nothing that I can really see as of yet. But I don't really have the money right now to do the surgery since I paid in cash last time. Any of you guys had inguinal hernia surgery? Sometimes I think maybe now since that I have the mesh on the left side maybe I'm just being paranoid because the right side feels less secure since the left side is like way more strong ...since it has the mesh
Terra
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I would say, results may vary, each person is different! I seem to be able to do about anything without any aches or pains or injuries.
Yet, I know 16 year old kids who get injured doing exercises.
You must know your body! As Clint said "Every Mans Gotta know his Limits"
Hightower
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I think in general there are no dangerous exercises or hard ones. The problem, of course, lies in the technique, overtraining and the wrong weight.
Hightower
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upd
We often blame any exercise for being dangerous or harmful. Because we got hurt. But we don't see the reason. That we simply could not correctly master the technique of this exercise, and we, as emotional people, blame the exercise, and not ourselves, the fool. These are just thoughts and opinions.
We often blame any exercise for being dangerous or harmful. Because we got hurt. But we don't see the reason. That we simply could not correctly master the technique of this exercise, and we, as emotional people, blame the exercise, and not ourselves, the fool. These are just thoughts and opinions.
theotherguy
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It’s rare you see a woman with lifting injuries. I think they generally have less ego and therefore don’t try to push more than they know they can handle.
This is coming from a guy with a history of both trivial and severe lifting injuries.
Terra
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And... women's strength is less than men!
I think a lot of it just has to do with the individual. I see people in their 50's without any aches or pains, and I see 15 year olds complaining about their back. Results will vary.
theotherguy
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It’s all relative though, women don’t have the tendon strength or bone density that men do either.
theotherguy
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Eh, it’s transient though, I don’t see how having elevated blood pressure like that is detrimental so long as it doesn’t last more than a few seconds.
I did a stress echo a month or so ago and got my systolic BP well over 200 (I’m thinking 220-230) from walking on a treadmill, and that was sustained for about 2 mins. The nurses and doctors had zero worry about it
yeah, multiply that x3 and you got your BP while deadlifting or doing low reps 45° legpress.
it definitely is not healthy. Heavy lifting aint healthy, no matter what other bodybuilders tell you
theotherguy
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A quick google search shows me that the highest ever recorded systolic BP was 370, and that was during a leg press. So it’s most likely 1.5x, MAYBE 2x, more than my 220.
Historically, having sustained high BP is far worse for your health, than having transient extreme BP. I disagree that heavy lifting is bad for you. I will agree that the weight gained from heavy lifting is unhealthy, whether it’s fat or muscle, it’s still a lot of extra stress on your heart. And then most of us compound that with AAS.
Type-IIx
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There's a study on Olympic athletes that show that the adaptive cardiac remodeling ("Athlete's heart") that occurs in strength and power sport is less significant than that of endurance athletes. There are unlikely any maladaptions caused even by the use of the Valsava maneuver (i.e., holding one's breath during a heavy lift). Aside from the acute blood pressure increase from this tactic during training, what else is there to consider aside from cardiac changes (shown to be good rather than bad) that could occur from heavy resistance training? Increased haemoglobin and erythrocytes is likely with frequent heavy resistance training. Increased skeletal muscle being adaptive again. When you look at the adaptations to resistance training, it's all beneficial (until you add in PEDs).
Rido
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That's like saying, don't workout too hard because it can strain your heart ?
what does this have to do with "working out hard?
i said that excersises that require holding your breath and intense weights are not healthy and i stand by this.
check what Eddie Hall had to go through after his 500kg world record. Now you might say "wohoo, 500kg is much more than what i lift".. well, doesnt mean lifting 260kg for 3 reps is healthy.
And i did lift heavy for several years, did powerlifting comps and i still stay by my words that its not healthy lifting 300kg from the floor, 260kg on your back and squat down etc..
and by the way: i dont consider lifting heavy weights for 1-5 reps as "hard". maybe try a high rep (20-50 reps) leg workout and we talk again
barbell001
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You won't end up on a CPAP machine if you start doing deadlifts lol Possibly if you end up being as strong as Larry and can do 750 for 11 reps then maybe as obv you are gonna end up with a big thick neck! I know quite a few guys that use CPAP's every night and they are all larger men with naturally large necks - thats what its to do with rather than the trap size. They also all had naturally high BP which I think contributes to things, none of them deadlift either but they do train. I often have a bad nights sleep after a deadlift session but its normally to do with my traps and neck getting sore and giving me a banging headache up into the back of my head! The whole body becomes over stimulated afterwards too and full of adrenaline if you enjoy going for maxes etc.
Personally from what I have seen over the years and from all the people I know who train, back pain tends to be hereditary. If you are going to get it then you will get it even if you do not do deadlifts. If you are prone to back problems I would suggest you don't do them as the potential for a big disk injury is there if you slip up in the lift in terms of form. I have never had a back injury, I have slightly torn a hamstring before as I was not properly warmed up before maxing which took 8 weeks to heal. Had groin strain a few times and even pulled my cocksits first time I did 500lbs LMAO Couldn't sit down properly for 3 days without crying so I had to slide onto the side of furniture!! Sure anyone who deadlifts big esp on gear will tell you it rockets BP up briefly - I often get the red stars when I put a max down. This tends to be when running tren though. Not had any kind of back injury ever and I must admit I have done some bad lifts when refusing to put the weight down with a do or die mentality to get it up. Just try to be as solid & tight as you can be when lifting, never jump more than 1 plate a side when warming up and if it starts to feel iffy on the way up esp mid shins in your back then put it down and save the lift for another day. Higher rep work around the 6 rep range will always be much safer than the singles but you know what you want to go for at the time.
Personally from what I have seen over the years and from all the people I know who train, back pain tends to be hereditary. If you are going to get it then you will get it even if you do not do deadlifts. If you are prone to back problems I would suggest you don't do them as the potential for a big disk injury is there if you slip up in the lift in terms of form. I have never had a back injury, I have slightly torn a hamstring before as I was not properly warmed up before maxing which took 8 weeks to heal. Had groin strain a few times and even pulled my cocksits first time I did 500lbs LMAO Couldn't sit down properly for 3 days without crying so I had to slide onto the side of furniture!! Sure anyone who deadlifts big esp on gear will tell you it rockets BP up briefly - I often get the red stars when I put a max down. This tends to be when running tren though. Not had any kind of back injury ever and I must admit I have done some bad lifts when refusing to put the weight down with a do or die mentality to get it up. Just try to be as solid & tight as you can be when lifting, never jump more than 1 plate a side when warming up and if it starts to feel iffy on the way up esp mid shins in your back then put it down and save the lift for another day. Higher rep work around the 6 rep range will always be much safer than the singles but you know what you want to go for at the time.
You're bad at looking then.
Arterial blood pressure response to heavy resistance exercise - PubMed
The purpose of this study was to record the blood pressure response to heavy weight-lifting exercise in five experienced body builders. Blood pressure was directly recorded by means of a capacitance transducer connected to a catheter in the brachial artery. Intrathoracic pressure with the...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
And there's more.
I had 400 mm Hg deadlifting when we goofed around back in the day.
theotherguy
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What’s your point? I took 5 seconds to look. I even said maybe 2x my stated range (220-230) which would go as high as 460. My bad for not taking the time to sift through the entire interwebz for one single data point that won’t even apply to most people, even most lifters. The abstract even states the avg max BP was 320.
At this point you’re just looking to argue, if that’s the one thing you’re going to latch onto out of all of this. My point is simply that transient high BP isn’t nearly as big of a deal (I would argue it’s not at all a big deal so long as you aren’t doing it constantly and you aren’t passing out from it) as having constantly elevated BP.
Go ahead and hang your hat on proving me wrong
Type-IIx
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Well, objectively, it's not healthy in the SHORT term to spike blood pressure with these heavy compound lifts and the Valsalva maneuver because it can cause intracranial hypertension (headache), loss of consciousness, nosebleeds. I swear the thread asked about long-term safety of deadlifts though.
Of course heavy deadlifts strain the whole musculoskeletal and connective tissue systems at their extreme, and when there's not an adequate strength-endurance base, can cause injury.
The question of the thread, though, refers to long-term safety. Properly executed, moderate intensity deadlifts for healthy adults are relatively safe.
I don't think they have the best risk-reward when you consider that they basically pose an isometric stimulus (subpar) to most muscle groups under tension, generate tremendous fatigue, and have a higher risk of injury than isolation movements.
Deadlifts are a mediocre at best stimulus for most muscle groups involved, though variations like rack pulls can be used rationally for some "back thickness."
Safe vs. optimal. Acute vs. chronic.
Of course heavy deadlifts strain the whole musculoskeletal and connective tissue systems at their extreme, and when there's not an adequate strength-endurance base, can cause injury.
The question of the thread, though, refers to long-term safety. Properly executed, moderate intensity deadlifts for healthy adults are relatively safe.
I don't think they have the best risk-reward when you consider that they basically pose an isometric stimulus (subpar) to most muscle groups under tension, generate tremendous fatigue, and have a higher risk of injury than isolation movements.
Deadlifts are a mediocre at best stimulus for most muscle groups involved, though variations like rack pulls can be used rationally for some "back thickness."
Safe vs. optimal. Acute vs. chronic.
