Are small caloric changes a waste?

trtchin

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By small I mean 100 cals or less.

Im on cruise right now and really trying to figure my maintenance calories. My activity remains the same week to week. Currently cals at 3,100 and that seems high for my size but my weight isnt changing much.

I heard something on the J3 podcast that a small change of 100 calories in either direction wont do much because your body will adapt to that small change before it starts growing or shrinking.

Does that make sense or not?
 
Doesn’t make sense because you could slowly add 100 calories again and again and then be eating 10,000 calories with that theory lol. Not like you’re gonna go from eating 3000 calories to 5000 calories and not gain weight because you did it slowly over time

When you say “weight isn’t changing much”, how much is not much?
 
Doesn’t make sense because you could slowly add 100 calories again and again and then be eating 10,000 calories with that theory lol. Not like you’re gonna go from eating 3000 calories to 5000 calories and not gain weight because you did it slowly over time

When you say “weight isn’t changing much”, how much is not much?

I was on blast at 3500 cals. I got off blast and dropped cals to 3300 but I was still tired of eating so went to 3100. But because I stopped I stopped blast I also dropped a quick 2 kg. Weight seems stable now but its only been 4 weeks post blast so im not quite sure. Im not a big guy 6 foot/183 and 78 kg/170 lbs and it seems a lot bigger guys are maintaining on less cals.
 
upping cals means upping cals. weight gain will be negligible, maybe because of increased BMR, maybe because of weight gain/tissue accrual taking a good while. Maybe you just move more throughout your day when eating more.

100cals take a while to make themselves noticeable, but the thing they said on the J3 podcast soudned ridiculous to me. you thyroid takes a good while to actually upregulate/ downregulate 8with small changes in caloric intake), or does so only with significant changes in caloric intake.

I think this is a case of: my scale only measures in .1 lb increments, waaaah i cant see the weight change there must be some strange other factors at play, let me blame the thyroid. Just because your instruments used for taking measurements are inaccurate does not mean there is nothing happening. A spyglass wont let you see the debris making up saturns rings. A scale measuring in .1lb increments wont let you see 4-10grams of new muscle/day.

Obviously you wont see significant weight changes on a 100 cal surplus. 1kg of muscle takes like 6.5k cals- 7.2k cals to put on iirc, so no shit the scale will make it look like natural weight fluctuations week to week. Thats a minimum of 2-3 months of a surplus for your KG of muscle, and thats if all of it is going towards accrual of new muscle tissue.
 
I may have misstated what they said. Perhaps it's more what you are getting at. The change from 100 cals will be so slow it's almost as if nothing is happening

Anyways im looking for reasons to lower cals and not lose weight lol
 
I may have misstated what they said. Perhaps it's more what you are getting at. The change from 100 cals will be so slow it's almost as if nothing is happening

Anyways im looking for reasons to lower cals and not lose weight lol
you only know what happens if you tried. but generally, lower cals over time means lower weight. Thats all I can tell you. taking a bit of an eating break is rarely a bad thing, a cut can do wonders for your well being and appetite, letting you come back stronger next time.
 
you only know what happens if you tried. but generally, lower cals over time means lower weight. Thats all I can tell you. taking a bit of an eating break is rarely a bad thing, a cut can do wonders for your well being and appetite, letting you come back stronger next time.

Thanks man. Ya I've got a 6 week mini cut lined up in a couple weeks before my next blast. Looking forward to it lol.
 
upping cals means upping cals. weight gain will be negligible, maybe because of increased BMR, maybe because of weight gain/tissue accrual taking a good while. Maybe you just move more throughout your day when eating more.

100cals take a while to make themselves noticeable, but the thing they said on the J3 podcast soudned ridiculous to me. you thyroid takes a good while to actually upregulate/ downregulate 8with small changes in caloric intake), or does so only with significant changes in caloric intake.

I think this is a case of: my scale only measures in .1 lb increments, waaaah i cant see the weight change there must be some strange other factors at play, let me blame the thyroid. Just because your instruments used for taking measurements are inaccurate does not mean there is nothing happening. A spyglass wont let you see the debris making up saturns rings. A scale measuring in .1lb increments wont let you see 4-10grams of new muscle/day.

Obviously you wont see significant weight changes on a 100 cal surplus. 1kg of muscle takes like 6.5k cals- 7.2k cals to put on iirc, so no shit the scale will make it look like natural weight fluctuations week to week. Thats a minimum of 2-3 months of a surplus for your KG of muscle, and thats if all of it is going towards accrual of new muscle tissue.
Fat is 7700 cals. One kg of muscle is only 1300 kcals. In theory a very small surplus maximises gains. But it's hard to gain muscle and easier to lose fat so that's why a bigger surplus makes sense.

I think Justin Harris said it in a podcasts recently: 5kg of muscle a year is 18 grams of protein synthesized for muscle gain per dag. Pretty crazy numbers if you ask me and that's why big surplusses and dreamer bulks are a thing of the past.
 
Fat is 7700 cals. One kg of muscle is only 1300 kcals. In theory a very small surplus maximises gains. But it's hard to gain muscle and easier to lose fat so that's why a bigger surplus makes sense.

I think Justin Harris said it in a podcasts recently: 5kg of muscle a year is 18 grams of protein synthesized for muscle gain per dag. Pretty crazy numbers if you ask me and that's why big surplusses and dreamer bulks are a thing of the past.
stored energy vs energy needed to build. 1kg of muscle is indeed around 1300cals stored, but the energy needed to build is much higher.
 
I was on blast at 3500 cals. I got off blast and dropped cals to 3300 but I was still tired of eating so went to 3100. But because I stopped I stopped blast I also dropped a quick 2 kg. Weight seems stable now but its only been 4 weeks post blast so im not quite sure. Im not a big guy 6 foot/183 and 78 kg/170 lbs and it seems a lot bigger guys are maintaining on less cals.
That’s about the calories I maintain on at 5’11” 205-210lbs. Doesn’t necessarily mean that’s not what you need tho just because you weigh less. Just gotta tweak cals slowly and watch the scale if you really wanna nail down maintenance calories
 
Ow, sorry for the misinterpretation. Out of interest: do you have an article about it? Would love to ready more about it
Slater GJ, Dieter BP, Marsh DJ, Helms ER, Shaw G, Iraki J. Is an Energy Surplus Required to Maximize Skeletal Muscle Hypertrophy Associated With Resistance Training. Front Nutr. 2019 Aug 20;6:131. doi: 10.3389/fnut.2019.00131. PMID: 31482093; PMCID: PMC6710320.

this one goes into heavy detail and is rather unfocused at the same time (cazy how they managed to do that), with some of the studies included having pretty bad methodology, but certain sections are pretty insightful imo
 
Slater GJ, Dieter BP, Marsh DJ, Helms ER, Shaw G, Iraki J. Is an Energy Surplus Required to Maximize Skeletal Muscle Hypertrophy Associated With Resistance Training. Front Nutr. 2019 Aug 20;6:131. doi: 10.3389/fnut.2019.00131. PMID: 31482093; PMCID: PMC6710320.

this one goes into heavy detail and is rather unfocused at the same time (cazy how they managed to do that), with some of the studies included having pretty bad methodology, but certain sections are pretty insightful imo

tldr from AI:

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Based on this comprehensive review article, here are the key details and practical takeaways a bodybuilder can learn and use:

## **1. THE ENERGY SURPLUS: HOW MUCH IS NEEDED?**

**What the research says:**
- Common textbook recommendations (1,500-2,000 kJ/360-480 kcal daily) are based on flawed assumptions about simply "storing" muscle tissue
- The actual energy cost of building 1kg of muscle is far higher (∼7,440 kJ/1,780 kcal) when accounting for:
  - Energy cost of protein synthesis (3.6 kJ/g protein)
  - Energy cost of resistance training sessions (∼300-600 kJ per session)
  - Increased resting metabolism from new muscle (∼54 kJ/kg/day)
  - Diet-induced thermogenesis

**PRACTICAL APPLICATION:**
- **Start conservative**: Begin with a ∼1,500-2,000 kJ (360-480 kcal) daily surplus
- **Monitor and adjust**: Track body composition changes every 2-4 weeks
- **Don't overshoot**: Aggressive surpluses primarily increase fat mass, not muscle
- Be patient—quality weight gain takes time

---

## **2. PROTEIN INTAKE: THE OPTIMAL RANGE**

**What the research says:**
- The protein intake associated with greatest muscle gains: **1.6 g/kg/day**
- Upper effective range: **2.2 g/kg/day**
- Beyond this: No further benefit—excess is simply oxidized
- Extremely high intakes (3.0-4.4 g/kg/day) show no additional hypertrophy or strength benefits

**PRACTICAL APPLICATION:**
- Target **1.6-2.2 g/kg/day** of protein
- A 90kg bodybuilder needs 144-198g protein daily
- Very high protein intakes are unnecessary and don't accelerate gains
- Spread protein evenly: ∼0.3-0.4 g/kg per meal, every 3-5 hours

---

## **3. CARBOHYDRATE AND FAT STRATEGIES**

**Carbohydrate:**
- Resistance training depletes glycogen by 30-40%
- Recommended intake: **4-7 g/kg/day**
- Very low-carb/ketogenic diets consistently impair muscle gains
- Additional carbs before/during training may improve work capacity in high-volume sessions

**Fat:**
- Minimum intake: **15-20% of total energy** (below this reduces testosterone)
- Recommended range: **20-35%** of total energy
- Fat quality matters: Monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats (especially omega-3s) may be more favorable than saturated fats
- Saturated fat: <10% of total energy

**PRACTICAL APPLICATION:**
- Don't fear carbohydrates—they fuel performance and recovery
- Avoid ketogenic diets if muscle growth is the priority
- Include healthy fats (olive oil, fish, nuts, avocado)
- Use fat to increase energy density when struggling to eat enough

---

## **4. NUTRIENT TIMING & MEAL FREQUENCY**

**What the research says:**
- Protein timing: Spacing meals every 3-5 hours maximizes MPS
- More frequent eating (5-6+ meals) doesn't increase MPS beyond a threshold, but **improves tolerance** to high food intake
- Eating occasions: Athletes typically eat ∼5 times daily (3 meals + 2 snacks)
- Snacks account for ∼25% of total energy intake in athletes

**PRACTICAL APPLICATION:**
- **Eat 4-6 times daily**—not necessarily for MPS, but to make high calorie intake achievable
- Include snacks between meals
- Liquid calories (shakes) have lower satiety—use strategically when appetite is low
- Pre-bed protein: Two meals before bed > one meal before bed for overnight MPS

---

## **5. MANAGING SATIETY WHEN EATING BIG**

**Evidence-based strategies:**
- **Food form**: Liquids are less satiating than solids—use shakes strategically
- **Energy density**: Higher fat foods increase calories without massive volume
- **Vegetables**: High intake can fill you up and limit total energy intake
- **Protein**: Satiating—moderate portions at meals, not excessive boluses

**PRACTICAL APPLICATION:**
- If struggling to eat enough:
  - Include calorie-containing drinks (milk, smoothies, shakes)
  - Don't overdo low-calorie vegetables at main meals
  - Add healthy fats (nuts, oils, nut butters) to increase density
  - Spread intake across more frequent, smaller meals

---

## **6. SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS FOR EXPERIENCED BODYBUILDERS**

**What the research says:**
- Novices can gain muscle even in a calorie deficit
- **Advanced lifters have less hypertrophy potential** and are more prone to fat gain during surpluses
- Experienced athletes require more precise nutrition—they don't have the "novice buffer"

**PRACTICAL APPLICATION:**
- If you're advanced (5+ years training), your surplus should be **smaller and more controlled**
- Don't expect rapid gains; realistic expectations prevent unnecessary fat gain
- Track progress closely—you're more sensitive to small changes

---

## **7. WHAT DOESN'T WORK (DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME)**

- **Extremely high protein** (>2.2 g/kg/day): No benefit, just expensive urine
- **Ketogenic diets**: Consistently shown to impair muscle gains
- **Massive surpluses**: Primarily increase fat, not muscle
- **Excessive meal frequency**: 8+ meals daily offers no advantage over 4-6
- **"Dirty bulking":** Fat source matters—unsaturated fats may favor lean mass, saturated fats promote fat storage

---

## **SUMMARY: THE EVIDENCE-BASED BULKING PROTOCOL**

| Variable | Recommendation |
|---------|----------------|
| Energy surplus | **1,500-2,000 kJ/day** (360-480 kcal) initially |
| Protein | **1.6-2.2 g/kg/day** |
| Carbohydrate | **4-7 g/kg/day** |
| Fat | **20-35%** total energy (>15% minimum) |
| Meal frequency | **4-6 meals/day** (3 meals + 2-3 snacks) |
| Protein distribution | **Every 3-5 hours**, ∼0.3-0.4 g/kg per meal |
| Training day surplus | Probably beneficial on both training AND non-training days (48hr MPS window) |
| Adjustments | Monitor body composition every 2-4 weeks; adjust surplus down if fat gain is excessive |

**The key takeaway:** More isn't better. A modest, well-structured surplus with adequate (but not excessive) protein, sufficient carbohydrates for training performance, and strategic meal patterning will produce the best muscle-to-fat gain ratio.[/code[
 
By small I mean 100 cals or less.

Im on cruise right now and really trying to figure my maintenance calories. My activity remains the same week to week. Currently cals at 3,100 and that seems high for my size but my weight isnt changing much.

I heard something on the J3 podcast that a small change of 100 calories in either direction wont do much because your body will adapt to that small change before it starts growing or shrinking.

Does that make sense or not?
there is the risk of not having effects because tollerances on food calories are there,also u can move a bit more and these 100 calories more are easy burned,but if ur sure 100% the calories in are exactly 100 more than what u burn long term u should see something
 

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