Are These People Christians

[CyniQ]

I agree totally. I'm certainly not infallible(sp?). Someone mentioned it earlier, but we all live in glass houses. It just irks me when people publicly throw stones. Just because none of your windows are broken yet doesn't mean it'll never happen.

BTW I am not directing my comments toward anyone in particular...

Except maybe Swaggert, Fallwell and that bunch.

 

[thick]

torture those faggots

 

[Southernjuice]

My .02 for what it's worth. I always find it interesting how people who claim to be godly, Christian or what have you, are so quick to condem things such as homosexuality yet seem to have no problem with fornication, adultery, pornography, etc. If they are so holy as to pass judgement at least it should be done equally across the board.

If you will read this entire thread you will see it was'nt about condemning people...we were actually talking no so kindly of the people you are refering...like the haters and hypocrits.

 

[garyzilla]

I think we need to define something here, and that is the word "Christian" does anyone know where the word "Christian" came from? I think when we anwser this question we maybe be able to anwser if the people of www.godhatesfag.com are "Christians" or not.

 

[tonyton]

I think we need to define something here, and that is the word "Christian" does anyone know where the word "Christian" came from? I think when we anwser this question we maybe be able to anwser if the people of www.godhatesfag.com are "Christians" or not.

they are no christians that I would call brothers..

 

[garyzilla]

they are no christians that I would call brothers..

Please explain

 

[Phreezer]

The messages of Christ above all things are to love and forgive.... Do we not know the parable of the Master who forgave his servant of his debt? But then later that same servant would not forgive the other who was indebted to him..and when the master learned of this he had the Servant he originally forgave thrown in prison and belittled him for not passing on the same forgiveness to others....

Judge not lest you be judged.. For how you judge others is how you yourself shall be judged.

Hate the sin but not the sinner....


God is love.. He hates iniquity and sin but still loves the sinner (remember the parable of the prodigal son)

Now with all that being said... Are we to recognize sin and avoid it? Yes... Are we to help our brothers avoid sin? Yes... Are we to preach the gospel to others so that they too may be born again and saved? Yes...

Are we to blow up abortion clinics and abuse women for having abortions? .. NO! Are we to beat down gays for their transgressions? .. NO! Is it our job to punish the wicked and the unjust? .. NO!

For vengeance is the Lord's and no others.. and when a man transgresses against us..we should take no offense, but trust in the lord to take care of us. and to mead out justice in the end...

Do I agree with this Church? No..

Do I agree with Homosexuality? No..

Is it my place to judge and pass on punishment to the Homosexuals? NO..

Is it my job to love them and offer them whatever help I may to save their souls..YES!

Church is not a museum for Saints..but rather a Hospital for sinners..

None are righteous.. no not one.. For all fall short of the Glory of God.. There is no man worthy to enter into heaven but for the sacrifice of Lord Christ who died on the cross.. It is only through our lord that we may ever see the Kingdom of Heaven....

As a gentile I am very THANKFUL for the gift that the Jews passed over.. so that I may one day sit at the feet of out Lord!

Does that answer your question Gary?

 

[garyzilla]

The messages of Christ above all things are to love and forgive.... Do we not know the parable of the Master who forgave his servant of his debt? But then later that same servant would not forgive the other who was indebted to him..and when the master learned of this he had the Servant he originally forgave thrown in prison and belittled him for not passing on the same forgiveness to others....

Judge not lest you be judged.. For how you judge others is how you yourself shall be judged.

Hate the sin but not the sinner....


God is love.. He hates iniquity and sin but still loves the sinner (remember the parable of the prodigal son)

Now with all that being said... Are we to recognize sin and avoid it? Yes... Are we to help our brothers avoid sin? Yes... Are we to preach the gospel to others so that they too may be born again and saved? Yes...

Are we to blow up abortion clinics and abuse women for having abortions? .. NO! Are we to beat down gays for their transgressions? .. NO! Is it our job to punish the wicked and the unjust? .. NO!

For vengeance is the Lord's and no others.. and when a man transgresses against us..we should take no offense, but trust in the lord to take care of us. and to mead out justice in the end...

Do I agree with this Church? No..

Do I agree with Homosexuality? No..

Is it my place to judge and pass on punishment to the Homosexuals? NO..

Is it my job to love them and offer them whatever help I may to save their souls..YES!

Church is not a museum for Saints..but rather a Hospital for sinners..

None are righteous.. no not one.. For all fall short of the Glory of God.. There is no man worthy to enter into heaven but for the sacrifice of Lord Christ who died on the cross.. It is only through our lord that we may ever see the Kingdom of Heaven....

As a gentile I am very THANKFUL for the gift that the Jews passed over.. so that I may one day sit at the feet of out Lord!

Does that answer your question Gary?

Yes it does answer the question. I am in agreement with all you said. I just wanted to see what others would say.

 

[Phreezer]

Oh, forgot to answer your last question... Christian Means literally "Like Christ" or "Christ Like". To be a Christian means that one strives to be like Christ.

 

[garyzilla]

Oh, forgot to answer your last question... Christian Means literally "Like Christ" or "Christ Like". To be a Christian means that one strives to be like Christ.

Yea, I would agree with that definition. Find out where the term "Christian" is first used, and why.

 

[Phreezer]

And if you want to think about something interesting..

Consider this.. Most people who oppose abortion favor capital punishment.. and those who favor abortion tend to oppose capital punishment... Neither makes much sense if you ask me...but if you think I'm wrong on this..ask around.. you'll be suprised.

 

[chris gordon]

spirituality is a personal relationship with a power greater than yourself....religion is a man made system of tying man to community and church.

and if a person considers himself a christian , itis his duty as a christian to show others if they are on the wrong path.....how can you if someone isnt truly a christian? read the book God gave to tell you how to live

 

[Phreezer]

spirituality is a personal relationship with a power greater than yourself....religion is a man made system of tying man to community and church.

The fact that I have faith.. and that I do believe in the one true God..means that I do not agree with nor believe your above statement... (Not that you're not entitled to your own oppinion.. as is everyone else) .. Being a true Christian.. I believe that Religion is serving God.. and that it is God who ties the Church to the community

 

[dustoff1]

judgment day is an overly-simplistic fabrication designed to 'motivate' people to be good people. again, it is yet another control mechanism. if they aren't 'good' they will not be saved. but, just as we all punish ourselves, he or she does not punish us, we all have the ultimate control over saving ourselves as well. you don't need him, her or it to save you.

No one can be saved by being "good" The Bible is very clear... all have sinned and come short... So, how can you earn your way... you cant..
The sins have to be paid for... and they all will
Those that dont have Jesus as mediator and Savior.. will pay for their sins themselves...
Those that have Christ as their Savior will be spared the punishment as Christ actually suffered the punishment on the cross (and before during the scourging)
The Passion of the Christ make it so clear...

 

[chris gordon]

The fact that I have faith.. and that I do believe in the one true God..means that I do not agree with nor believe your above statement... (Not that you're not entitled to your own oppinion.. as is everyone else) .. Being a true Christian.. I believe that Religion is serving God.. and that it is God who ties the Church to the community

religion is man made...you dont have to have religion to serve God....just take for example the so called christian holidays....none ofthese are described in the bible...such as christmas...if God wanted you to celebrate the birth of his son he would have laid out very explicit details to do this , similartothe way the passover feast is held....but christmas is celebrated anyway as it is the tradition of MAN...this is just an example that religion is man made and for the most part serves man ,regardless of Gods intentions

 

[Phreezer]

It's funny that you mention christmas... Dec. 25th is actually not even close to the birth of christ.. It's believed to be in late may or early june..

During the 15th Century, The pagans competed with the catholics for the dominace of popular relegion.. Dec. 25th was actually a Highly important Pagan Holiday..Therefore the Pope then declared that Dec. 25th would be the day that Christians would celebrate the birth of Christ.. therefore stealing away the popularity of the pagan holiday... Christmas in all seriousness was nothing more than a way to repress an upstart pagan relegion

Relegion is defined by the bible.. it is doctrine that one should be leary of... We are told in many areas of the bible to assemble ourselves together in the name of the lord.. We are told to fellowship with one another.. We are told to tithe to the Lord.. We are told that wherever two or more are gathered together in the name of the lord that he will be there.. .. So relegion is defined in the bible. my friend.. And You may want to take a look in Revelations and review the churches that The Lord finds fault with.. The answers are there.. and the church is A constant that remains in the old testament and the new... Paul even gives guidelines on how we should treat the elders of the church..how we should use the church.. Does he not say that if a man has a problem with his brother to go to his brother that they might resolve their issue.. but if that man will not listen to bring one or two more and approach the man.. and if he will still not listen then the Man is to be brought before the "Church" and if that man will not listen then he is to be removed from the church.. we are to love the sinner and hate the sin.. but we are not to abide with that sin and leave it to fester in the house of the lord...

Christ constantly refers to the Church and the House of his father.. This is important.. no matter what anyone says or thinks.. We are to assemble in his name.. no where in the bible does it say that a man who does not go to church is better than a man who does... it is always inferring the opposite.

 

[chris gordon]

most of the christian holidays are simply renamed pagan festivals...and the bible says follow not the traditions of man....the samecan be said of the sabbath which is saturday...but christians hold sunday as the day of rest....im merely pointing out some of the areas i see organized religion falls short, and i wont even start on the catholics....dont get me wrong phreezer i definitely see you side...i personally see the bible as a guide to living your life in a way that is christ like and therefore pleasing to God, if you want to call this religion then thats fine...by religion i mean organized , catholicism or protestantism....and im not even saying its bad just merely making the distinction for someone earlier in the thread..... also the word religion is derived from the latin religio which means to tie or bind....the word spiritual is derived latin spiritus which means to fill or be filled

 

[Bob Smith]

And if you want to think about something interesting..

Consider this.. Most people who oppose abortion favor capital punishment.. and those who favor abortion tend to oppose capital punishment... Neither makes much sense if you ask me...but if you think I'm wrong on this..ask around.. you'll be suprised.

Very true. I am prolife and pro-death penalty. The distinction I made is that a fetus doesnt get to choose what happens to him. The executed person got to choose his actions and must pay the consequences. He could have chosen not to murder someone, or not to murder a police officer, and whatever other cap crimes there are.

 

[Hogg]

No one can be saved by being "good" The Bible is very clear... all have sinned and come short... So, how can you earn your way... you cant..
The sins have to be paid for... and they all will
Those that dont have Jesus as mediator and Savior.. will pay for their sins themselves...
Those that have Christ as their Savior will be spared the punishment as Christ actually suffered the punishment on the cross (and before during the scourging)
The Passion of the Christ make it so clear...

Fear of the lash is no reason to seek salvation.....Christ save me from being beaten? I dont think so, rather, it is a desire to serve your creator that drives the quest for salvation.....he is our father because without him, we would be little more than primordial dust. Physics, not even from the bible......simple physics. God created mass and energy, from mass and energy came us. Science proves the existence of God to many, others find it in the bible....perhaps we have many different avenues to ground us in our faith.

Christ came and spoke to man......man was perhaps far less intellectually adept as we are today....and perhaps the bible was written for those of the period.....later translated into the king james....on to the NIV....etc.....for sake of allowing man to know his creator.....obviously the constant evolution of the text suggests and the miriad of interpretations of biblical passages suggests that the age of man is a factor in understanding God's message.

But age of man notwithstanding, I would still kiss his feet if he appeared to me today.......and even without his appearance, I feel his presence.....when I fuck up, I know he is watching, if I let 'G-D' slip from my lips in a moment of frustration, I immediately feel repenant .....because I dont want to piss him off, he is the reason I am here.....he is the one I serve....yet, I'm not about to call some hypocrit my brother simply because he attends church....the same guy who screws around on his wife, networks before and after the sermon, lies, I'll judge his worthiness of my fellowship for myself thank you very much.....and so be it if other sworn "Christians" consider me the scourge of the earth for being skeptic. God gave me a very powerful brain and such a brain questions everything in pursuit of enlightenment.......and I'll take my licks, if I am not worthy of being saved because I occassionally fuck up and use four letter words, or let a "G-D" slip even though I know better, or though I would never bang another man's wife or girlfriend, I might wonder what she looks like mounted on the end of my prong, then hey, I tried.....I'm much less of a sinner today than I was a few years ago and I get better with each day. I give it my best effort and if I came up short, I cant control it....that is God's decision....but it sure as hell is not the decision of some bible thumper at the local Calvary Chapel who is so full of contradiction he cant untie his lies long enough to read his watch. FUCK EM. God is my judge, no one else......

One other thing about "Christians" there are those "Christians" who might judge me for seeking knowledge, for being skeptical, and for being very selective in who I have fellowship with...perhaps consider me 'not CHristian'......yet, these same people can use the word "nigger" amongst themselves and not feel bad about it.....hypocrits.....the sinful heart of man..... remember kids, we are in the midst of a spiritual battle every day.....that guy who gives off the aire of being angelic might very well have ill intentions in his heart.

is your heart pure? Is your faith relentless? I would wager that God is more concerned about these issues than whether or not you make it to the sermon at 7:00PM on tuesday nights.

Further, I am not very amiable to the prospect of being classified as "Christian" or "Catholic" as these are merely labels that man has created. Rather, were it necessary for me to bear a title, I would prefer "Ardent believer in God".....I believe this sums it up nicely and leaves me non-denominational - thus free to discuss God and have fellowship with whomever I choose and to seek enlightenment of my own accord wherever my path takes me. Were it that my faith was not pure, why would I bother trying to learn about God in the first place?

End of rant.

By the way, I love pussy and I'm not married though I have sex with one woman and we have every intention of marrying as soon as she can kick her siblings out of her house and put it up for sale......am I unworthy of salvation because I have sex with this woman? Is she unworthy? Mind you, she goes to bible study and carries a bible with her every day of the week as she is just now beginning to learn about the Word (lifelong Catholic who was taught nothing about God by her church). If she is unworthy as a result of having sex without marriage, with her undenying love of God and her quest to learn more about him, then we're all fucked.

 

[Hogg]

Let us bear in mind that Christ was the lamb of God, the only one pure enough to follow the law. Not even God's chosen people, the Jews, were worthy of salvation under the law.....and Christ came and through his flesh and blood, we were given redemption which would have been otherwise unavailable to us. His life atoned for any sin that you can conceive of .......now is God interested in where your heart is or whether you use 4 letter words and sleep with some chick that you've been going out with for a month? The bottom line is, we are not pure, we are caught in the bondage of sin, all you can do is have a pure heart and try to sin less....if your heart is pure, your conscience will do most of the work for you and you wont fuck up as much.

Damn me to hell for using the F word but I did it for a reason. the message is more important than the language used.