Are you ok with Muslim refugees moving in next to you in the US?

[TheGuy85]

You sound like you have a lot of hate in you, much like the terrorists you claim to ummmm hate. Do you wake up e everyday fearing that you may be killed in a christian terror attack? Lol!!!

I'm not you, I don't wake up afraid of the boogeyman. And people who work at Planned Parenthood health centers or abortion clinics DO wake up everday, terrified of Christian whackos. Take 9/11 away and then look at the numbers, you will see who the "better" terrorists are. The church has limited social progress and continues too. The most intelligent people throughout history have continuously been persecuted by Christianity, but you believe they should be above reprimand? I'm not the one making apologies for religious extremism, I'm just calling a spade a spade. I see hypocrites attacking Islam, when their religion is equally as horrible and has a much longer record of persecution.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I'm not you, I don't wake up afraid of the boogeyman. And people who work at Planned Parenthood health centers or abortion clinics DO wake up everday, terrified of Christian whackos.

I won't deny there is a risk, but the risk is overblown. PP have their own reasons to embellish their fears but attacks are very rare.

Take 9/11 away and then look at the numbers, you will see who the "better" terrorists are.

From the Washington Post:
Right-wing attacks - 48 killed
Jihadist attacks - 45 killed

Muslims make up 1% of the US population but they're responsible for ~50% of terror-related killings. Who the "better terrorists" are is obvious.

The church has limited social progress and continues too. The most intelligent people throughout history have continuously been persecuted by Christianity, but you believe they should be above reprimand?

Perhaps, but the greatest and most successful civilization, with the greatest achievements in the history of the world, is the West aka Christendom.

I'm not the one making apologies for religious extremism, I'm just calling a spade a spade. I see hypocrites attacking Islam, when their religion is equally as horrible and has a much longer record of persecution.

I see denial. I see a desire to reject Islamic violence as the work of a few misunderstanders while denying the fact that there are violent passages in the Quran that some Muslims believe apply today, just as they did in the 7th century.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

Your book is filled with hateful nonsense and you criticize Muslims. Christians have fucked up this country more than anyone else.

How about you read the Talmud before you start making false assumptions about Judaism and what it consists of, you may find that the Jews aren't so friendly to you "Gentiles".

Nobody is apologizing for shit, if you haven't noticed we have been fighting wars for Muslims in the gulf states for decades now. We are allied with the only Islamic country that actually practices the Sharia. Your full of shit and completely ignorant of anything pertaining to Islam. If forced conversion was actually a practice, we wouldn't have contractors, servicemen, nor businessmen on the Arabian peninsula. I have already refuted the idea and practice of forced conversion with fundamentalist literature straight from the Grand Mufti.

You follow terrorist propaganda and have decided that fucking hillbilly Arabs actually represent the entire religion. That is just like saying that these radical hillbilly Christian groups found here in America and other countries represent the whole of Christianity. Terrorizing abortion doctors and shooting up abortion clinics in the name of religion is Christian terrorism. Are you really that clueless or are you a Christian apologist? You obviously don't know about the Army of God, Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements, Lambs of Christ, Concerned Christians, The Covenant, The Sword and the Arm of The Lord, Defensive Action, Montana Freemen, Phineas Priesthood, and many more all across the world. They are CHRISTIAN TERRORIST GROUPS, recognized as terrorist groups by law enforcement and intelligence agencies.

Christian terrorism has been around much longer in this country than your Islamic boogeymen, and have been responsible for far more terrorist related incidents in this country than Muslims. For some reason, your media won't cover Christian terrorism and call it for what it is, fucking political correctness right. Evangelical whackos would fit in perfectly with the Muslim whackos.

I rest my case, you're way off the deep end. Scary deep. Seek counsel and please take whatever meds doc gives you.

 

[Izk]

i imagine they would be just as bad as any other religious refugees. i remember studying the dark ages during highschool, the christian/catholic churches creep me out a LOT now.. they all seem exactly like cults, standing in the same room chanting the same words.
Atheists are only a small percentage in the world so it's pretty hard to avoid religion. Common sense is not that common after all.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

i imagine they would be just as bad as any other religious refugees. i remember studying the dark ages during highschool, the christian/catholic churches creep me out a LOT now.. they all seem exactly like cults, standing in the same room chanting the same words.
Atheists are only a small percentage in the world so it's pretty hard to avoid religion. Common sense is not that common after all.

Note how the Christian folks have moved away from the dark ages - awareness is the first step towards change. Christians became aware of the errors of their ways hundreds of years ago.

Muslims on the other hand have yet to attain any level of awareness that there might be anything wrong with their primitive ways. In fact, their leaders cheer them on.

Atheists are quite religious - in their own peculiar way. (I'm agnostic btw so don't pin me with any label.)

 

[TheGuy85]

I rest my case, you're way off the deep end. Scary deep. Seek counsel and please take whatever meds doc gives you.

You have no case, the Bible speaks for itself. I just listed numerous Christian based terrorist groups that law enforcement monitors and you "rest your case". The Branch Davidians would have loved you, you would have fit right in, in Waco. Apparently the Oklahoma City bombing must have happened hundreds of years ago because Christianity has moved out of the Dark Ages...

 

[Rackin45s]

Islam is a political ideology. Time for a Crusade!!!

 

[TheGuy85]

I won't deny there is a risk, but the risk is overblown. PP have their own reasons to embellish their fears but attacks are very rare.



From the Washington Post:
Right-wing attacks - 48 killed
Jihadist attacks - 45 killed

Muslims make up 1% of the US population but they're responsible for ~50% of terror-related killings. Who the "better terrorists" are is obvious.

Perhaps, but the greatest and most successful civilization, with the greatest achievements in the history of the world, is the West aka Christendom.



I see denial. I see a desire to reject Islamic violence as the work of a few misunderstanders while denying the fact that there are violent passages in the Quran that some Muslims believe apply today, just as they did in the 7th century.

I frankly believe the people most responsible for the success of our civilization were not Christians; but instead deists, Freemasons, agnostics, atheists, and Jews.

You would be surprised to find out that I actually agree with you on several things (though I don't admit it enough) and I often play devil's advocate. I just can't stand it when people gas up morons who go will go about inflicting violence on innocent people (much like Islamic terrorists do). Ignorance mixed with religion is a powerful tool that can be used to manipulate stupid people. I am an adamant supporter of Mossad (shocked?) and I worry that the same persecution inflicted upon innocent Jews throughout history will be inflicted upon innocent Muslims. I don't argue that there is inherent violence in Sharia law, but Sunni-based terrorists, frankly, don't adequately represent strict orthodox Sunni Islam methodology. However, they do share a common creed (Tawheed). It is the methodology of Islamic terrorists that is distorted. And the innovation and distortions that these fuckers practice is what causes ACTUAL Salafists to refer to these "extremists" as the "dogs of the hellfire".

Terrorists ARE politically motivated (not the guys wearing suicide vests, but their "commanders") and they do have a political agenda that does not coincide with Islam. Orthodox Sunni Muslims do believe that some of the violent passages in the Quran and Sunnah do apply to the modern day, but they are not terrorists (they do not want to attack our homeland). The reason I am comparing Islamic terrorism to Christian terrorism is to point out that even in our developed society, Christian whackos still exist. I would not say that they are anywhere near a majority of Christians though (and this applies to Muslims as well). Domestic, homegrown terrorism amongst our own people is much more of an issue than foreign threats (this applies to any extremist fanatic) because it is much harder to detect and prevent.

I am hesitant to compare right-wing militia-based extremism to Christian-based extremism even though militia groups do tend to be predominantly Christian. I don't believe that Christian theology motivates most militia groups and these groups don't intentionally target innocent civilians (not to my knowledge anyway).

And the reason I got so pissy in one of our debates was because you called me a Muslim apologists and you kind of inferred that I was religious (which, honestly, agitated me). But at least you try using facts and evidence to debate my views, unlike most people, which I do respect. I think we can both agree that Jews are not a problem in this country as far as terrorist attacks, on OUR homeland, is concerned.

 

[Izk]

I frankly believe the people most responsible for the success of our civilization were not Christians; but instead deists, Freemasons, agnostics, atheists, and Jews.

a fucking prayer sure didn't do it.

 

[flenser]

I frankly believe the people most responsible for the success of our civilization were not Christians; but instead deists, Freemasons, agnostics, atheists, and Jews.

Whatever their religions, they were capitalists.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

You have no case, the Bible speaks for itself. I just listed numerous Christian based terrorist groups that law enforcement monitors and you "rest your case". The Branch Davidians would have loved you, you would have fit right in, in Waco. Apparently the Oklahoma City bombing must have happened hundreds of years ago because Christianity has moved out of the Dark Ages...

You're pulling incidents that have ZERO relation with what ANY Christian leader, of any denomination, preaches from the pulpit. Oklahoma City? WTF does that have to do with ANY church?

Are you a Muslim? If not, why this massive hatred for a harmless religion? Your aggressive denial of Muslim reality is perplexing. When will you move out of the dark ages?

BTW, the Branch Davidians were no harm to anyone - they'd still be alive if it weren't for the murderous Feds, especially Janet Reno, but the Fed overreach goes back a long time. Ref. Ruby Ridge for another needless "create-a-criminal-and-kill-him" activity by our DC masters.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

I frankly believe the people most responsible for the success of our civilization were not Christians; but instead deists, Freemasons, agnostics, atheists, and Jews.

"Our" civilization - presumable just the USA, or all of the western world?

Deism - as an aside, how quaint of a concept that is these days. Several of the FF have been pinned with this label, but I think that's more of a philosophy than a religion. I think those FF (as is evident throughout the Constitution) wanted to find broadly applicable, inclusive statements, which naturally made it sound more philosophical. The FF were clearly religious people - albeit with (an understandable) solid distrust of clergy and organized religion.

Christianity comes from Judaism - in many ways the same - Christians are more like Judaism 2.0 - with many of the more obsolete aspects of the OT ignored (facial hair, eating rules etc).

Freemasons believe in a supreme being and an eternal soul.

I don't think there were any atheists among the FF. BTW, atheists are quite religious - zealous in the anti-sense, which is just as unprovable as the other side. Personally, I find atheists utterly ridiculous.

I have no idea how many agnostics (my personal category of affiliation) there were among the FF and other early US captains of industry and politics.

"All men are created equal. They are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights."

If there's a Creation and a Creator - kinda suggests a supreme being...

You're splitting hairs to the point of ridiculousness if you try to break "Christians" away from most of the other groups above.

 

[TheGuy85]

You're pulling incidents that have ZERO relation with what ANY Christian leader, of any denomination, preaches from the pulpit. Oklahoma City? WTF does that have to do with ANY church?

Are you a Muslim? If not, why this massive hatred for a harmless religion? Your aggressive denial of Muslim reality is perplexing. When will you move out of the dark ages?

BTW, the Branch Davidians were no harm to anyone - they'd still be alive if it weren't for the murderous Feds, especially Janet Reno, but the Fed overreach goes back a long time. Ref. Ruby Ridge for another needless "create-a-criminal-and-kill-him" activity by our DC masters.

So all the claims of sexual abuse were lies by victims (Branch Davidians)? Timothy McVeigh was influenced by the Christian Identity movement and that had everything to do with Oklahoma City. I'm not going to take shots at specific denominations (out of respect for people's feelings ) because it wouldn't be right to say blame all Seventh-day Adventists for extremism. And it wouldn't be right to specifically blame Lutherans, Wesleyan/Arminian, and Anabaptist branches of Protestantism for what Seventh-day Adventists do, even though they take elements from those denominations.

I do hold similar views on the "create-a-criminal-and-kill-him" attitude of law enforcement in this country. The amount of "hate" you see in my posts are meant to be provocative towards Christians who look down upon Muslims even though the same statements about Islam pertains to Christianity as well. And Muslims aren't the ones who impose prohibitive laws in THIS country.

You mistaken me for a terrorist sympathizer. I have no quarrels with slaughtering terrorists, no matter where they come from, and no matter where they hide.

 

[TheGuy85]

"Our" civilization - presumable just the USA, or all of the western world?

Deism - as an aside, how quaint of a concept that is these days. Several of the FF have been pinned with this label, but I think that's more of a philosophy than a religion. I think those FF (as is evident throughout the Constitution) wanted to find broadly applicable, inclusive statements, which naturally made it sound more philosophical. The FF were clearly religious people - albeit with (an understandable) solid distrust of clergy and organized religion.

Christianity comes from Judaism - in many ways the same - Christians are more like Judaism 2.0 - with many of the more obsolete aspects of the OT ignored (facial hair, eating rules etc).

Freemasons believe in a supreme being and an eternal soul.

I don't think there were any atheists among the FF. BTW, atheists are quite religious - zealous in the anti-sense, which is just as unprovable as the other side. Personally, I find atheists utterly ridiculous.

I have no idea how many agnostics (my personal category of affiliation) there were among the FF and other early US captains of industry and politics.

"All men are created equal. They are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights."

If there's a Creation and a Creator - kinda suggests a supreme being...

You're splitting hairs to the point of ridiculousness if you try to break "Christians" away from most of the other groups above.

I was referring to the United States in particular.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Who said that? So because Christians distort their religion (by abandoning the Old Testament, so I guess God got it completely wrong with the Jews?), they are better than Muslims who distort their religion? And Christianity is not Judaism 2.0 (though it does seem that it was supposed to be) and I would argue that Jesus was in fact a Jewish reformist. "He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."" Mathew 15:24

I can break the founding fathers away from any mainstream religion, it would explain why the first amendment exists. And some of the behavior of the founding fathers indicates that they were not deeply religious at all, pandering existed then as it does now (except the founding fathers, IMO, had good intention and a strong belief in freedom and liberty, not so much religion, all of which I support). But most of your other statements about the founding fathers are correct, IMO.

 

[Prairie Boy]

I'm Canadian but this sums up my feelings about it even tho its putin the maniac u can't disagree with the logic

 

[dreamkiller]

I spent a few years of my ranger life in the rough terrains of Iraq and Afghanistan gladly introducing these extremist bastards to my 5.56 & 7.62 metal....so I may have a bit of a bias here but no I do not want those fucks over here because we have absolutely no way of vetting these individuals...take an iris scan of these ppl, let them blow some shit up, and we know who they are AFTER the fact, no thanks....let them stay in their own country and fight for their country not runaway from it. Extremists are an invisible enemy and that's what makes this global war on terrorism so difficult.

Dont speak to loud brother , for it USA vs everyone else . To many military members being knocked off these days . No one likes a bounty on their head more than me !

 

[TheGuy85]

I'm Canadian but this sums up my feelings about it even tho its putin the maniac u can't disagree with the logicView attachment 34580

Anyone who wants to force Sharia law on "infidels" is a whacko, if not a terrorist. We give Muslims religious freedom to practice and call people to their religion, in the USA. If that's not enough, there is something very wrong with the individual. It is one thing to desire something ( Sharia law), it is something different to force it on the rest of us (often through violence). Yes, if you want Sharia law, you won't find it here, and I don't know why your looking for it here in the first place. If you want Sharia law, and you can't live without it, feel free to leave and move to a country that imposes it, do not look to us "infidels" to accept it.

 

[Dresden]

I would welcome them with open arms if they show me the same respect i show them

 

[Dresden]

My point exactly. The closest we've ever seen to Christian terrorist group is the phelps family (Westboro Baptist church) and all they do is rally from a distance. They're harmless. Remember the coupleasure a few months back? Muslim. They shot up the workplace? Their coworkers threw a baby shower for them a month prior. It is a religion filled with hate and violence and they come over here acting like that in MY city they will see my terrorist side

Ku Klux Klan

 

[Rackin45s]

Ku Klux Klan

Democrats!!