rpmjr19
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toddjr said:
same question here
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Arimidex or Nolvadex
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It cost that much because, well, it's a more expensive product. I know that's circular & doesn't answer anything. Get it in liquid form (say from AG Guys) & voila! no longer so expensive.elgaringo said:
A-dex is a real anti-estrogen, unlike Clom & Nolva, which are SERMs. Adex slows the body's production of estrogen when you're doing things like Test or HCG that boot up both the androgens & the estrogens. In doing so, it cuts back on water retention & helps sculpt that cut look. By blocking estros, you should be safe from the over-aromatization that causes bitch tits (gynecomastia). But once you've got it, Adex cannot help get rid of it.
Nolva stimulates the hypothalamus & pituitary so helps your own HPT axis get back in gear. It does not block aromatization into estrogen (like Adex does). But, strangely, it seems to block the estros from activating around the breast tissue area. Nolva can prevent gynecomastia & sometimes help one recover from the beginnings of the syndrome.
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bhandsome562
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Armidex - Arimidex is not a steroid. It is a tablet form anti-aromitase that is used by many body builders to help prevent bloating (edema) and Gynecomastia (bitch tit) associated with the use of testosterone and androgens. It can be used in place of Nolvadex,Clomid, etc. Bodybuilders are using around .25mg to 1mg per day or .5mg to 1mg every other day and are having good success with it.
The FDA approved uses are for the treatment of breast cancer in post-menopausal women with disease progression following tamoxifen therapy. Hypersensitivity to anastrozole are reasons not to use this drug. If you have these problems please inform your doctor. Common side effects are: shortness of breath, dizziness, diarrhea, vomiting, headache, hat flashes, weakness, cough, dry mouth, skin rash, sweating, abdominal pain and bone pain. Some less common symptoms are vaginal bleeding, weight gain, tiredness, chills, fever, breast pain, and itching. In case of an overdose, it is recommended to contact your poison control center.
Clomid- Clomid is a brand name for the drug clomiphene citrate. Clomid is typically prescribed for women to aid in ovulation. In men, the application of Clomid causes an elevation of follicle stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone. As a result, natural testosterone production is also increased. This effect is obviously beneficial to the athlete, especially at the conclusion of a cycle when endogenous testosterone levels are subnormal. When an athlete discontinues the use of steroids, his testosterone levels will most likely be suppressed. If endogenous testosterone levels are not brought to normal, a dramatic loss in size and strength may occur. Clomid plays a crucial role in preventing this crash in athletic performance. Bodybuilders find that a daily intake of 50-100 mg of clomiphene citrate over a two week period will bring endogenous testosterone production back to an acceptable level. Clomid will gradually raise testosterone levels over its period of intake. Since an immediate boost in testosterone is often desirable, athlete will commonly use HCG (human chorionic gonadotropin) for a couple of weeks, and then continue treatment with Clomid. Clomid is also effective as an anti-estrogen. Most athletes will suffer from an elevated estrogen level at the conclusion of a cycle. A high estrogen level combined with a low testosterone level puts an athlete in serious risk of developing gynocomastia. With the intake of Clomid, the athlete gets the dual effect of blocking out some of the effects of estrogen, while also increasing endogenous testosterone production. In relation to toxicity and side effects, Clomid is considered a fairly safe drug. Bodybuilders seldom experience any problems, but possible side effects include hot flashes and temporary blurred vision. Clomiphene citrate is widely available on the black market. Until recently, it was relatively easy to get through foreign mail order. However, since the DEA is playing an active role in pursuing mail-order operations catering to athletes, Clomid is becoming harder to obtain.
Nolvadex - Nolvadex is a brand name for the drug tamoxifen citrate, a non-steroidal agent which demonstrates potent antiestrogenic properties. These antiestrogenic effects are due to its ability to compete with estrogen for binding sites in target tissues such as in the breast. Medically, the effects of Nolvadex make it very useful in breast cancer patients. Male bodybuilders however, find Nolvadex very effective in combating gynocomastia (female breast tissue development). Gynocomastia is caused by excess estrogen in the male body. In the steroid user, this happens when anabolic steroids “aromatize" into estrogensâ€. This is not as odd as you may think, structurally these hormones are very similar. So with Nolvadex competing for and occupying estrogen receptors, the buildup of tissue is greatly reduced and often avoided. It should be noted that Nolvadex also seems to slightly reduce the gains made during a steroid cycle. Some believe estrogen plays a role in keeping androgen receptors open. This may explain why Nolvadex would slightly hinder gains. Regardless of this effect Nolvadex is the most popular anti-estrogen used by athletes and many people swear by it. One should remember though that many athletes find no need for Nolvadex while others absolutely need it to avoid a gyno problem. One should be aware of how much they actually need an ancillary drug like this before committing to use it during a cycle. Should it be needed, Nolvadex is quite popular on the black market.
I hope that answers your questions!!! No clomid you will lost alot of what you gain....
The FDA approved uses are for the treatment of breast cancer in post-menopausal women with disease progression following tamoxifen therapy. Hypersensitivity to anastrozole are reasons not to use this drug. If you have these problems please inform your doctor. Common side effects are: shortness of breath, dizziness, diarrhea, vomiting, headache, hat flashes, weakness, cough, dry mouth, skin rash, sweating, abdominal pain and bone pain. Some less common symptoms are vaginal bleeding, weight gain, tiredness, chills, fever, breast pain, and itching. In case of an overdose, it is recommended to contact your poison control center.
Clomid- Clomid is a brand name for the drug clomiphene citrate. Clomid is typically prescribed for women to aid in ovulation. In men, the application of Clomid causes an elevation of follicle stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone. As a result, natural testosterone production is also increased. This effect is obviously beneficial to the athlete, especially at the conclusion of a cycle when endogenous testosterone levels are subnormal. When an athlete discontinues the use of steroids, his testosterone levels will most likely be suppressed. If endogenous testosterone levels are not brought to normal, a dramatic loss in size and strength may occur. Clomid plays a crucial role in preventing this crash in athletic performance. Bodybuilders find that a daily intake of 50-100 mg of clomiphene citrate over a two week period will bring endogenous testosterone production back to an acceptable level. Clomid will gradually raise testosterone levels over its period of intake. Since an immediate boost in testosterone is often desirable, athlete will commonly use HCG (human chorionic gonadotropin) for a couple of weeks, and then continue treatment with Clomid. Clomid is also effective as an anti-estrogen. Most athletes will suffer from an elevated estrogen level at the conclusion of a cycle. A high estrogen level combined with a low testosterone level puts an athlete in serious risk of developing gynocomastia. With the intake of Clomid, the athlete gets the dual effect of blocking out some of the effects of estrogen, while also increasing endogenous testosterone production. In relation to toxicity and side effects, Clomid is considered a fairly safe drug. Bodybuilders seldom experience any problems, but possible side effects include hot flashes and temporary blurred vision. Clomiphene citrate is widely available on the black market. Until recently, it was relatively easy to get through foreign mail order. However, since the DEA is playing an active role in pursuing mail-order operations catering to athletes, Clomid is becoming harder to obtain.
Nolvadex - Nolvadex is a brand name for the drug tamoxifen citrate, a non-steroidal agent which demonstrates potent antiestrogenic properties. These antiestrogenic effects are due to its ability to compete with estrogen for binding sites in target tissues such as in the breast. Medically, the effects of Nolvadex make it very useful in breast cancer patients. Male bodybuilders however, find Nolvadex very effective in combating gynocomastia (female breast tissue development). Gynocomastia is caused by excess estrogen in the male body. In the steroid user, this happens when anabolic steroids “aromatize" into estrogensâ€. This is not as odd as you may think, structurally these hormones are very similar. So with Nolvadex competing for and occupying estrogen receptors, the buildup of tissue is greatly reduced and often avoided. It should be noted that Nolvadex also seems to slightly reduce the gains made during a steroid cycle. Some believe estrogen plays a role in keeping androgen receptors open. This may explain why Nolvadex would slightly hinder gains. Regardless of this effect Nolvadex is the most popular anti-estrogen used by athletes and many people swear by it. One should remember though that many athletes find no need for Nolvadex while others absolutely need it to avoid a gyno problem. One should be aware of how much they actually need an ancillary drug like this before committing to use it during a cycle. Should it be needed, Nolvadex is quite popular on the black market.
I hope that answers your questions!!! No clomid you will lost alot of what you gain....
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Some swear by one; others swear by the other. Seems to me logical to use both to make sure you cover all bases in your PCT & recover faster & more completely. Most run the Nolva the longest & some even taper it down each day to 0.0 mgs.toddjr said:
Another group of guys feel that clomid brings out the inner female in them. They get hot flashes, moody, needy, & just want to be held
. So in that case unless that you've got someone who wants to hold you & assure you that you're loved
it may be best to skip it.Solo
elgaringo
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solo47 said:Some swear by one; others swear by the other. Seems to me logical to use both to make sure you cover all bases in your PCT & recover faster & more completely. Most run the Nolva the longest & some even taper it down each day to 0.0 mgs.
Another group of guys feel that clomid brings out the inner female in them. They get hot flashes, moody, needy, & just want to be held
Solo
I'll do the climid next time! I got someone to hold
.AAAAh bless
. Im thinking of doing some Nolv during my next cycle but gonna do more reasearch on that matter yet! and bhandsome looking at them symptoms is really of putting dont you think?
bhandsome562
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elgaringo said:I'll do the climid next time! I got someone to hold
Well i never got any negative symptoms.. I think its worth it bro to do armidex during cycle... prevents bloat which depending how bad it gets it looks pretty ugly... and most important prevents from geting bitch tits.... its a good drug.. i paid like 100 bucks for my bottle.. it has 30 tabs 1mg each tab..
elgaringo
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van-man said:
What is it you would'nt recommend? The Clomid?
van-man
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noooo, I think clomid is fine as long as its used with nolva IMO. I wouldn't ever do a deca dbol only cycle again. when the dbol is gone after 6 weeks it becomes a suppressive nightmare. I learned that lesson the hard way.
bhandsome562
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Do a deca only cycle say goodbye to your cock... Now vman when you did the dbol and deca only cycle did that kill your libido???
van-man
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bhandsome562 said:
I was fine during the cycle. But about two weeks after the last deca injection, the bottom fell out and I thought I would never recover. It took like six months before I felt right again. Of course, back then I didn't have quite the resources or knowledge I do now. but I still wouldn't do it again, or drink tequila for much the same reason
Never heard that before. Nolva and clomid both fake out the pituitary and make it think there is less estrogen in the body. Clomid has the bad side of making you all emotional, so nolva is a better choice. I did clomid pct and it sucked. Did novla and I was fine. Kept gains both times, no difference. (also did hcg so the nuts would grow back first of course).
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elgaringo
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Does Arimidex stop water retention because on my last cycle my upper chest and shoulders blew up. But most of it was water. Would Arimidex prevent this delusion? If not what would?
elgaringo
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elgaringo said:
Anyone??
