To me, it isn't about gyno or bloat, although those things aren't an issue because of my using both Adex and nolva. It's about overall benefit. Sure, you may very well "get away" without using anti e's, but at the expense of what? You may not see obvious bloat, but you do have much higher than normal estrogen levels. BP will invariably go up while using test, visible bloat or not. Just using Adex means possible adverse effects on HDL....just using nolva means great potential for rebound upon stopping as well as still having the potential for high bp. Using both Adex and nolva means HDL likely stays in check and bp is much more reasonable.....visible bloat and potential for gyno should be almost nonexistent....however, if signs do appear, simply bumping nolva accordingly will fix it. Adex plus nolva should be a given when using test, and when using AAS, using test should be a given....therefore, use nolva and adex with all your cycles for the best overall health/benefits.