[Astro Labs] [Cut Mix] - [Blood Panel Results] - [08/2014] - [Tested by Bickel29]

[bickel29]

Alrighty fellas - I had my bloodwork done after 6 weeks on Astro Cut Mix, orange tops (there were blue tops and orange tops out there, each from different raws suppliers).

I want to preface my blood results by stating that I am not writing this as an endorsement for Astro. As always with any UGL, it is buyer beware, buy at your own risk, all results and experiences subject to change.

That said, I have been running Astro's Cut Mix 100 at approximately 525 mg per week (remember, the cut mix contains 100 mg of test p/tren a/mast p, per CC). So, I have been on 75mg ED (75 mg x 7 days per week = 525 mg per week).

Also, because I wanted my test higher than my tren, and I had some test c leftover, I have also been running Astro Test C in addition to the cut mix, at 300 mg per week, injected on Tues and Sat.

I pinned the cut mix (short esters) on Sunday afternoon around 3 pm and then had my blood drawn at 1 pm on Monday (so it had been about 22 hours since last pin, with an everyday pin schedule). My last test c shot (long ester) was Saturday afternoon.

So for those tracking the timing = cut mix had been 22 hours from last pin to blood draw, and test c had been 48 hours, with a weekly total of 825 mg test/525 tren a/525 mast p.

I have also been taking .5mg anastrozole daily, as I usually need to be aggressive with controlling my e2 on cycle.

I am 6' - 251 lbs - many cycles before this one, blah blah.

So, results time:
Given the above info, my test came in at about 4,100. As for how good this number is and how it stacks up to the Doc Scally 10x standard, well, some of the smart guys here will have to weigh in and determine how the timing of the blood draw, as well as the mix of long and short ester testosterones, influenced the results.

My e2 was at 225, but we know that Labcorp very frequently posts tren as e2, giving a falsely high reading. I have experienced ZERO estrogen sides, and feel like my e2 levels are fine.

The rest of my numbers were where you would expect them to be considering.

Now those are the stats. As for the user experience, I can say that I have been absolutely happy with the results from the cut mix (test p/tren a/mast p). Again, I have ran a lot of cycles, and have ran tren before. This is my first run with mast p.
I handle tren a just fine, but do feel the usual tren sides.

The cut mix has definitely done it's job. Libido way up, strength def up, sweat like a pig during workouts, etc. More vascular. I have dropped a noticeable amount of weight from my midsection, but still have added size to my chest, arms, shoulders, etc.

Overall, I have been very satisfied with Astro's cut mix. Again, mine are the orange tops.

 

[devildog93]

While it is good information, this isn't a real good baseline imo. I personally am looking for more baseline info. without all the tren, mast, etc. products. It's kind of like determining what killed Lyle Alzado when his medicine cabinet was a pharmacy of 100 different products that he took at irregular intervals. Not that bad, but perhaps you get my point.

We need a batch of people running something simple like just test c or e and at varying amounts, bodytypes, etc. Eventually we need to compile a database of bloods from the same suppliers with the same product to get an average from. Then we can compare different suppliers on the same substance and see how they perform against each other. This will make it competitive for the supplier once the results get out there and they will either have to produce a better product or the losing side will eventually lose some business. I think in this way we can put the pressure on the supply side.

When people post bloods running on 5 different substances it just muddies the waters and leaves room for argument and interpretation that we don't necessarily need . I understand why people run multiple compounds, but for our purposes it isn't ideal, especially when compiling a database that we want to be simple and easy to interpret.

 

[4leafclover]

4100 isn't bad for 525 mg a week, not sure how to factor in the test c in addition to your mix however. But for being on a smaller dose than some others who have posted similar blood work, it bods better than 3/4 of the ones I've seen recently.

Personally, I run multiple compounds, so I like to see multiple compound bloods/reviews like this one.

 

[bickel29]

While it is good information, this isn't a real good baseline imo. I personally am looking for more baseline info. without all the tren, mast, etc. products. It's kind of like determining what killed Lyle Alzado when his medicine cabinet was a pharmacy of 100 different products that he took at irregular intervals. Not that bad, but perhaps you get my point.

We need a batch of people running something simple like just test c or e and at varying amounts, bodytypes, etc. Eventually we need to compile a database of bloods from the same suppliers with the same product to get an average from. Then we can compare different suppliers on the same substance and see how they perform against each other. This will make it competitive for the supplier once the results get out there and they will either have to produce a better product or the losing side will eventually lose some business. I think in this way we can put the pressure on the supply side.

When people post bloods running on 5 different substances it just muddies the waters and leaves room for argument and interpretation that we don't necessarily need . I understand why people run multiple compounds, but for our purposes it isn't ideal, especially when compiling a database that we want to be simple and easy to interpret.

Well, I do understand your desire to see results on single compounds, as that will/would be valuable.

I also see value in posting up results from guys running multiple compounds (which in my time here at Meso seems to be the great majority of our members). For example, if we can get results from multiple users running Astro's Cut Mix, even though it is multiple compounds, it could benefit the member who is looking to run a cut mix similar to this one, to see the experience of multiple users.

But I do see what you are saying. I suppose all we can do is post up a variety of results, from a variety of members, across a variety of compounds, and then let each individual observer of the info take what they will, from the reporting.

 

[devildog93]

My point is that determining a relative purity from a mix of multiple compounds is a bit more sketchy than doing so from a single compound. Start simple and work your way up, that type of thing. That would be part of the reason they want you to fast before some tests and eliminate other medications. Same type of thing here i would assume.

I wasn't trashing your results by any means, but i think you are kidding yourself if you think a majority runs exotic mixes. As we have seen in multiple polls across multiple sites the popularity in order of use would be orals, single long chain test esters, short chain esters, and exotic mixes are probably bringing up the rear along with specialty anabolics to avoid normal detection.

This isn't to say data from any of those is a bad thing, but it isn't a good place to establish a baseline like we have talked about or try to link to Dr. Scally's findings.

 

[Astro Labs]

Alrighty fellas - I had my bloodwork done after weeks on Astro Cut Mix, orange tops (there were blue tops and orange tops out there, each from different raws suppliers).

I want to preface my blood results by stating that I am not writing this as an endorsement for Astro. As always with any UGL, it is buyer beware, buy at your own risk, all results and experiences subject to change.

That said, I have been running Astro's Cut Mix 100 at approximately 525 mg per week (remember, the cut mix contains 100 mg of test p/tren a/mast p, per CC). So, I have been on 75mg ED (75 mg x 7 days per week = 525 mg per week).

Also, because I wanted my test higher than my tren, and I had some test c leftover, I have also been running Astro Test C in addition to the cut mix, at 300 mg per week, injected on Tues and Sat.

I pinned the cut mix (short esters) on Sunday afternoon around 3 pm and then had my blood drawn at 1 pm on Monday (so it had been about 22 hours since last pin, with an everyday pin schedule). My last test c shot (long ester) was Saturday afternoon.

So for those tracking the timing = cut mix had been 22 hours from last pin to blood draw, and test c had been 48 hours, with a weekly total of 825 mg test/525 tren a/525 mast p.

I have also been taking .5mg anastrozole daily, as I usually need to be aggressive with controlling my e2 on cycle.

I am 6' - 251 lbs - many cycles before this one, blah blah.

So, results time:
Given the above info, my test came in at about 4,100. As for how good this number is and how it stacks up to the Doc Scally 10x standard, well, some of the smart guys here will have to weigh in and determine how the timing of the blood draw, as well as the mix of long and short ester testosterones, influenced the results.

My e2 was at 225, but we know that Labcorp very frequently posts tren as e2, giving a falsely high reading. I have experienced ZERO estrogen sides, and feel like my e2 levels are fine.

The rest of my numbers were where you would expect them to be considering.

Now those are the stats. As for the user experience, I can say that I have been absolutely happy with the results from the cut mix (test p/tren a/mast p). Again, I have ran a lot of cycles, and have ran tren before. This is my first run with mast p.
I handle tren a just fine, but do feel the usual tren sides.

The cut mix has definitely done it's job. Libido way up, strength def up, sweat like a pig during workouts, etc. More vascular. I have dropped a noticeable amount of weight from my midsection, but still have added size to my chest, arms, shoulders, etc.

Overall, I have been very satisfied with Astro's cut mix. Again, mine are the orange tops.

Thank you very much for this. Solid numbers. My new sources have been spot on and they have to pass some rigorous tests before I buy. 99% fail to comply . Plus I'm hopping the tester I have will continue to test for me because I would hate to loose to loose him. Like I said my raw source has to pass the test that alone should guarentee quality raws through and through.

 

[bickel29]

I wasn't trashing your results by any means, but i think you are kidding yourself if you think a majority runs exotic mixes. As we have seen in multiple polls across multiple sites the popularity in order of use would be orals, single long chain test esters, short chain esters, and exotic mixes are probably bringing up the rear along with specialty anabolics to avoid normal detection.

Oh, I definitely do not think that the majority uses exotic blends, but I do believe that most of the members who post here are running more than one compound (two injectables, an oral and an injectable, etc).

And don't sweat it man - I knew you weren't bashing my results, my friend.

 

[swim15]

4100 isn't bad for 525 mg a week, not sure how to factor in the test c in addition to your mix however. But for being on a smaller dose than some others who have posted similar blood work, it bods better than 3/4 of the ones I've seen recently.

Personally, I run multiple compounds, so I like to see multiple compound bloods/reviews like this one.

If I read correctly he was running 825mg/wk which would put him at 5x for serum.

I do not think the 10x standard holds up in the least bit for most people though so IMO 4000 serum levels on 800mg of test is about where I would expect to see it.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

If I read correctly he was running 825mg/wk which would put him at 5x for serum.

I do not think the 10x standard holds up in the least bit for most people though so IMO 4000 serum levels on 800mg of test is about where I would expect to see it.

That's not how my tests come back.. 10x rule seems pretty damn close in my experience..

 

[swim15]

That's not how my tests come back.. 10x rule seems pretty damn close in my experience..

How do you know? Are you on watson test cyp?

If not, then you don't really know. If a UGL has decent raws and then they overdose it 50%+ because they want to have their shit show crazy numbers and be known as really good stuff. Unless you know the purity of the raws and you make it yourself or are using pharm grade, you can't really know.

That said, there are people who genetically metabolize hormones very well and convert very little testosterone to estrogen and get really high test numbers.

For the majority, I have not seen it hold true.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

How do you know? Are you on watson test cyp?

If not, then you don't really know. If a UGL has decent raws and then they overdose it 50%+ because they want to have their shit show crazy numbers and be known as really good stuff. Unless you know the purity of the raws and you make it yourself or are using pharm grade, you can't really know.

That said, there are people who genetically metabolize hormones very well and convert very little testosterone to estrogen and get really high test numbers.

For the majority, I have not seen it hold true.

Well Dr. Scally has with thousands of patients.. I convert a lot of test to estrogen and still test high on TT, had gyno surgery recently as a matter of fact..

I haven't seen you're opinion hold true either.. Do a search, I've already been in half a dozen of these debates here and they all end the same.. Guys like you with your highfalutin opinions leaving the debate with their tales between their legs.. It's boring now..

I'm not trying to sound like a dick I'm just sick of it..

 

[swim15]

Haven't seen a single blood work post from Scally. He isn't the be-all-end-all. Ive searched dozens and dozens of sites and never seen his 10x rule hold true for watson trt.

My dad just got put on trt about 3 months ago and his serum values just came back at about 5x at 3 days post injection. Its not peak value but even peak would definitely not be 10x.

Not to mention, astro is a reputable source on here and does MS his stuff so I think we can safely assume its dosed accurately, if not overdosed and it isnt holding true for this blood work.

 

[4leafclover]

Haven't seen a single blood work post from Scally. He isn't the be-all-end-all. Ive searched dozens and dozens of sites and never seen his 10x rule hold true for watson trt.

My dad just got put on trt about 3 months ago and his serum values just came back at about 5x at 3 days post injection. Its not peak value but even peak would definitely not be 10x.

Not to mention, astro is a reputable source on here and does MS his stuff so I think we can safely assume its dosed accurately, if not overdosed and it isnt holding true for this blood work.

The only person who I've seen bloods for on Astro's gear as of late was running his prop, and his levels were far above the 10x. The only other person who mentioned running astro test was titan's lab, and I take his account with a grain of salt (he didn't post his results, he just stated what he had). Can you point me to these other astro blood work results?

 

[swim15]

The only person who I've seen bloods for on Astro's gear as of late was running his prop, and his levels were far above the 10x. The only other person who mentioned running astro test was titan's lab, and I take his account with a grain of salt (he didn't post his results, he just stated what he had). Can you point me to these other astro blood work results?

Uh yea the OP of this thread for starters. There was also a guy, fryon I think, who posted two sets of bloods on his E that came back at roughly 2k and 1200 for 500 and 250mg respectively IIRC.

 

[4leafclover]

Bickel's is harder to judge, as it is a multiple compound stack, I know when I run 3+ compounds (injects) sometimes my test level comes back lower than it would of been had I just ran test by itself (usually with EQ or Mast in the mix). Bickel had some discussion about this as well, in the testing area, he posted his results on the mix, so others who used a similar mix would have a comparison.

As for fryon, I haven't seen that one, nor do I know that name. If you would be so kind as to link it. It is not present in the testing area.

Do you have any experience with multiple compound stacks and getting bloods done? Or is this just something you are internet warrioring?

The reason for your dad is simple, for trt they only do 1 shot a week, sometimes once every 14 days, the goal for trt is different, as Dr. Scally has outlined in his PCT area (timing to bloods, and frequency of injections, etc). When I have been on watson or phizer 400 mg/wk my bloods came back @ 3980 and 4210, after 4,5 weeks (respective of brand), 48 hours after last pin. I had a European brand last year, ran 500mg/wk and came back 4980, 1 day after last pin, 4.5 weeks in.

You would be surprised at the difference in peak level vs off peak. You are talking about tiny numbers in terms of measuring testosterone (dg/Nl), so going up by 1000 isn't as huge as say going from 1 gallon to 2.

I'm not saying Astro's gear is the best, he is a UGL and bottom line, his gear is far less than what you would get out of a pharmaceutical company, or even a really good vet company (like in Mexico for instance), but he is one of the few UGL's who actually tests his raws, and is rather quick to fix issues.