Where’s the updated labs for the Sustanon, EQ and Mast? Do you test your raws? If so how did you come up with those concentrations?
What kind of solvents are you using to hold the NPP200?
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What kind of solvents are you using to hold the NPP200?
We'll be sure to include those in the next round of testing to get those more up to date also. We are still using the raws that the current tests were done with btw.
For NPP200, just BB/BA. The BB is pushed higher to 25%.
We are working on our website, and plan to post in the Underground section early next week or by Friday next week if that's the normal protocol.
trengod1992
Well-known Member
Just a heads up if I were you I’d Wait till next Friday or you’re gonna get flamed. New sources are only supposed to start a source thread on that day.
Thanks for heads up. Will wait till Friday then.
burninseagul
New Member
Mr. Axle Labs, it's crucial not to overlook the recurring accusation of using an alternate account, not only for self-promotion but also to disrupt a competitor's business on SST. Promoting your own business is one matter, but creating alternate accounts to further harm a competitor with whom you have history with is another. There are allegations against you that go beyond what you've admitted, and I believe you are aware of this. It's challenging to trust you, both as an individual and in a business context, as your actions have severely damaged your reputation for many. I find the evidence provided by the other source to be convincing, while your claim that the alt accounts with fake bloodwork and Jano testing were from someone sharing the same VPN as Axle Labs' main source account with matching IPs is questionable. I’m sure if I asked you to supply us with proof that jmalchemy from SST sent in his bloodwork and you accredited with credits like you said you did on SST you wouldn’t happen to have any of those emails to share with time stamps would you… knowing you and your integrity you’d supply us with a email chain that you inspected element with. It would have been prudent to change your VPN’s location while promoting your source and attempting to discredit another source with fabricated images of floaters in vials but you didn’t and got caught in the act and are trying to BS all these people here at Meso. It's time to stop with the deception and take responsibility for your mistakes like an adult.
That new source on Friday bs isn’t an actual thing. Just some dumb shit that keeps getting parroted around.
shartking
Banned
A new guy giving warnings about SST drama. No one gives a shit.
T&H
Well-known Member
Guy did meso a favor, are you really suggesting he never should have said this here? The guy is planning to set up shop here, and yeah his real recent drama, past, and choices on SST should be made known to guys here.
Over a dozen shill accounts linked to this lab promoting blood work and blind tests. Both blind tests were from new accounts linked to the source. Whether the rumors of them being JuiceApe rebranded being true or not is another story. Oh and their website was almost an identical one to Colonials.
burninseagul
New Member
The source of the message is irrelevant. I've spoken my mind, using my own words and my understanding of the situation. While I may not engage with Meso extensively, I'm actively involved in SST and felt it necessary to issue a sincere warning to all. Take my words and conduct your own thorough research. Set aside your ego; no one is singling you out for attack.
Liska
Subscriber
gg to everyone losing no nut november to those old brewer's car pictures.
New to Meso but active on SST and I have had a handful of orders from Axle.
While the choices he made there reflect poorly on him, and frankly were completely unnecessary, we've all made emotionally-charged impulse decisions that blew up on us.
I wish that weren't the case with his shop, because the quality of his products is great, and he would've become a popular source at SST had he put his differences aside and operated differently.
I placed an order Mon, after the whole ordeal, and it was shipped promptly with a 2-day ETA.
I was worried it wouldn't, but since it did, I felt I should come here and let everyone know that he's currently fulfilling his orders, at least.
Axle, we all make mistakes. If you did wrong, the best thing you can do is own it fully or provide undeniable context/proof to support your side of the story.
It's the only way you can overcome any trust issues this community and SST members have with you after all is said and done.
Your products are great and speak for themselves, but this is a business of anonymity, and good products aren't enough. To scale on these boards, you need the people's trust.
Thanks for sending out our orders. Best of luck.
While the choices he made there reflect poorly on him, and frankly were completely unnecessary, we've all made emotionally-charged impulse decisions that blew up on us.
I wish that weren't the case with his shop, because the quality of his products is great, and he would've become a popular source at SST had he put his differences aside and operated differently.
I placed an order Mon, after the whole ordeal, and it was shipped promptly with a 2-day ETA.
I was worried it wouldn't, but since it did, I felt I should come here and let everyone know that he's currently fulfilling his orders, at least.
Axle, we all make mistakes. If you did wrong, the best thing you can do is own it fully or provide undeniable context/proof to support your side of the story.
It's the only way you can overcome any trust issues this community and SST members have with you after all is said and done.
Your products are great and speak for themselves, but this is a business of anonymity, and good products aren't enough. To scale on these boards, you need the people's trust.
Thanks for sending out our orders. Best of luck.
fike
Member
Wait, is this Axle again? I’m just kidding. I’ve been around here for a little while and some of you do know me from communicating back and forth. I will most definitely vouch for the integrity of his product I’m currently running. It’s good and I like it a lot.
I will not go as far to say that I trust the integrity of his business practice due to what I witnessed on SST, but I will play devils advocate for the guy a bit. Product is good. Communication was stellar. Time until arrival was 2 days. Up until the drama that’s everyone is talking about, I would have went back to the guy again.
I’m do believe in second chances with people to prove themselves, but that’s up to the individual consumer. I’m going to think about it hard personally, but, Axle, what are have you thought of a way you may go the extra mile to show us that you will not be doing any shady shit over here? It’s not easy to get away with and the old timers here especially are ruthless. They care about our safety and don’t want anybody here to get scammed or play stupid games.
I mean, could you not even provide any tities to go along with this testing? Small gestures go a long way.
We are being accused with discrediting other sources now? Where is the proof for that? Ask your mods for that proof, if they have also automatically blamed us for that one on top. And "the mod said so" won't be proof for that. Show the supposed shared IP between this account and ours. It isn't there.
They have automatically blamed us for owning every account that has ever used any VPN IP address that was used by our SST account. Including accounts from years ago. Before this they were blaming any account using a Tor browser as ours and I had to point out to them how that's not possible. Then they narrowed it down to any account using any of the VPN IPs that were used by our account.
You're free to believe what you want, but I've given the explanation.
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That was the original accusation, actually...
The latest claim is that you created shill accounts to post bloodwork and Jano tests that, real or not, were meant to create a perception about your brand in a disingenuous way.
An SST mod said that he's willing to release whatever gave them the confidence that you did what you were accused of, if you feel it'd help you back up your side of the story.
Gotta be honest man, you'd either do that or own what you did if you cared about your business because at the end of the day, you're an anonymous dude selling gear among other anonymous guys doing the same whose integrity isn't in question.
As customers we have no recourse if an order never shows. Trust is everything.
BlueBearFromHell
Suspected alternate account for @Axle Labs
How he gonna prove an account isn't his lol.
MuscleCandy
Subscriber
I think I can provide some clarity for everyone here. The “accusation” of discrediting us was how this all started.
Believe this or not, I won’t be going back and forth to try to convince anyone.
Let’s just put it all out there….
A little background on this whole situation:
“Axle” and I worked closely together on a past operation that also got removed from SST due to an internal dispute. I won’t go into detail on this because quite frankly, it doesn’t really matter. I’ll try to refrain from airing out the dirty laundry… The only real important takeaways:
1. After the sources removal, we found that there were a number of cross contaminated products that he was in charge of brewing (thanks to a customers testing, which led us to test everything that he supposedly already had tested).
2. Going our separate ways with a serious question about his character.
We rebranded on SST (with permission from the mods), and so did he. He moved to a different state to operate (with a lot of stolen funds and raws, but that’s beside the point) and we got word of his whereabouts through mutuals (remember this fact, it’ll be important later)…
We were told to ignore him and keep it civil, and we obliged. We remained focused on rebuilding our new brand. We never hid any of this from the community and were transparent about it from the jump. He cannot say the same.. he denied any involvement in the past operation after some speculation from a few members, which makes sense considering he would’ve been attacked for the cross contamination fiasco. Regardless, it seemed as though both of us could mutually exist and were seemingly finding success on our own endeavors.
One day, we get an email from a “customer” stating that they got their pack in the mail and there were floaters in both of his vials. This was the first clue that raised our suspicion because he ordered Test E & Mast E… We immediately started to thoroughly check all vials for floaters under a black light. All were clean. We didn’t understand how every vial in front of us could be clean, and a customer received two vials that had booger sized floaters in them. So I started to look into it a bit more…
First, I noticed that the customer who made the post on the forum had a brand new account created just days earlier… okay, not really out of the ordinary, right… right?
I started scrolling through our email thread and found a few more things that tipped me off. For one, our old business partner (brewer) had a very specific style of typing (not to be confused with whoever is now running the Axle account). I mean terrible grammar, random capitalization of letters, spacing his punctuation.. Now, I know this may seem like a pretty small, unimportant detail… but honestly, the typing was so familiar. Trust me, I know it sounds dumb… but immediately, my senses were tingling.
This lead me to check the address for the order and it just so happened to be the same city that he moved to….
Now I know I’m definitely not trippin…
I told my current partner about this and he made a call, 20 minutes later we had confirmation that his car was outside of that address, with out of state plates from (you guessed it) the same state we both used to operate out of. Bingo. Case closed in our book. This was 100% a sabotage attempt by our old brewer.
And if anyone has any doubts that our old brewer is connected to Axle, I’d be willing to bet any amount of money that I know where every single customers pack was shipped from.. I’m sure that would just be a coincidence though, right?
Not to mention, that “customer” went completely radio silent after we called all of this out. If that was a real customer, why would he not email back denying all of this and call us insane?
I passed this information along to the mods, who started a thorough investigation. At this point, we undoubtedly knew that it was him, but obviously they weren’t just going to take our word for it. They started looking into the IP addresses and not only did they connect them to the account who complained of floaters, but (according to mods) “over a dozen other shill accounts”. Their attempt to destroy our reputation was ultimately their downfall on SST, because they likely would’ve gotten away with all the shill accounts had they not tried to tarnish our image.
Trying to jump to a new forum and deny all of this is truly laughable. I was just going to ignore it and move forward but seeing you come on here and lie about it is kind of frustrating. You all know as well as we do, reputation and trust means everything in this business. If we hadn’t of played detective and found this out, we would be finished. Boosting up yourself is one thing… but trying to destroy our reputation is a lot worse. That was extremely low and like others have said, you should own up to it.
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Haha, yeah, the guy running the JuiceApe thread on SST seemed illiterate for sure.
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