Ball-breaking Newbie

[champion339]

i managed to get my hands on 200 tabs of Stanol and 150 tabs of Anabol, as well as 30 tabs of Nolvadex and 20 tabs of Clomid. Got everything from a 'pharmicist' in Thailand and managed, somehow, to get them past the sniffer dogs in Sydney airport (felt like some fucker with condoms of smack up my cinnamon ring!). Anyway, the Stanol has 5mg of stanozolol in each tab - the same as winnie... right? And the Anabol has 2mg of Methandienone - is this the same as Dianabol? The bloke behind the counter was trying to reassure me that they're the same.

I was hoping that someone might be able to offer advice on how best to construct my first ever cycle from these ingredients. Has anyone had experience with these same Thai pharmaceuticals? The country is in absolute disarray, and i was kind of wondering how in hell they could negotiate the manufacture of proper medicines!

I was thinking that if i added some deca, like 300mg a week for 8 weeks, i could probably construct something pretty neat with what ive already got. Still, i'm a little dubious about injecting stuff.
My main aim is vascularity and hardness and, considering i've more or less achieved what i believe i can naturally, i figure its time to get a bit serious about things like all of you bigmuthafuckers!!!

i'm 6'3, 24years old, weigh 210 pounds at 7% bodyfat. Been lifting seriously for 4 years.

thanks in advance for any input

cheers

champion

 

[bigkb]

i managed to get my hands on 200 tabs of Stanol and 150 tabs of Anabol, as well as 30 tabs of Nolvadex and 20 tabs of Clomid. Got everything from a 'pharmicist' in Thailand and managed, somehow, to get them past the sniffer dogs in Sydney airport (felt like some fucker with condoms of smack up my cinnamon ring!). Anyway, the Stanol has 5mg of stanozolol in each tab - the same as winnie... right? And the Anabol has 2mg of Methandienone - is this the same as Dianabol? The bloke behind the counter was trying to reassure me that they're the same.

I was hoping that someone might be able to offer advice on how best to construct my first ever cycle from these ingredients. Has anyone had experience with these same Thai pharmaceuticals? The country is in absolute disarray, and i was kind of wondering how in hell they could negotiate the manufacture of proper medicines!

I was thinking that if i added some deca, like 300mg a week for 8 weeks, i could probably construct something pretty neat with what ive already got. Still, i'm a little dubious about injecting stuff.
My main aim is vascularity and hardness and, considering i've more or less achieved what i believe i can naturally, i figure its time to get a bit serious about things like all of you bigmuthafuckers!!!

i'm 6'3, 24years old, weigh 210 pounds at 7% bodyfat. Been lifting seriously for 4 years.

thanks in advance for any input

cheers

champion

It sounds like you have got alot of research to do before constructing a cycle. I will summarize this though...

1. You should add test to this cycle, at least 500mg/week
2. Anabol only comes as 5mg tabs, not 2mg. And yes, it's the same as Dbol.
3. That is not enough Dbol, by a long shot... I personally would use 150 tabs in only 15 days.
4. Deca and test should be run for at least 12 weeks, IMO.
5. At 6'3", I don't believe you have achieved your size potential naturally, weighing just 210lbs. I'm 6'0", weigh 215lbs, and I'm not as big as I can get naturally.

There are alot of good bros on this site who will offer you alot of advice. Wait til you obtain some more knowledge before starting your cycle, then it will be more productive, and not a waste.

KB

 

[pgjy]

It sounds like you have got alot of research to do before constructing a cycle. I will summarize this though...

1. You should add test to this cycle, at least 500mg/week
2. Anabol only comes as 5mg tabs, not 2mg. And yes, it's the same as Dbol.
3. That is not enough Dbol, by a long shot... I personally would use 150 tabs in only 15 days.
4. Deca and test should be run for at least 12 weeks, IMO.
5. At 6'3", I don't believe you have achieved your size potential naturally, weighing just 210lbs. I'm 6'0", weigh 215lbs, and I'm not as big as I can get naturally.

There are alot of good bros on this site who will offer you alot of advice. Wait til you obtain some more knowledge before starting your cycle, then it will be more productive, and not a waste.

KB

excellent post bkb...I'll have to agree.

 

[trauma]

managed, somehow, to get them past the sniffer dogs in Sydney airport (felt like some fucker with condoms of smack up my cinnamon ring!).

no flame, but this is disturbing. you can't find a source in you area? this way you don't have to violate yourself?! just a thought.

 

[champion339]

ha ha LMAO!!! Mate, i didnt actually put stuff up my arse! I actually declared the bag of roids but the num-nut let me keep it. i thought it would be worth trying out. After all, that whole bunch of stuff only cost about 60 aussie dollars - two thirds of fuck all!

thanks heaps for your input KB, i appreciate it alot. Problem is, i'm dead keen on getting on the program - just as i was two years ago. However i opted not to get on it back then, in favour of keeping natural for a while. This decision has yielded between 7-9 pounds of muscle in two years. Ive changed my program round, tried every over-the-counter supp known, and simply aren't getting dividends. i'm one of those hard-gainers i hear mentioned on this thread every now and then.

Thanks again for your advice. The test will be better for vascularity, right? Do you think deca is necessary with all the other stuff? Surely i wouldnt need the anabol, stanol, test AND deca??? I dont want mum and dad to think arnold has rolled in when i go over half way thru the cycle!

thanks in advance for any thoughts.

ps - - would 30 nolva tabs and 10 clomid be enough for my recovery? - (sorry if this is a stupid question)

 

[madman]

Isn't everyone a hardgainer in thier own mind.............

 

[juicecravin]

well if you are dead set on doing a cycle, i suggest you go back to thailand and spend more money on enough stuff to do it right, instead of buying little amounts of different compunds. Everybody here is in a nice way telling you that you are small. 6'3" 210 at (supposedly) 7% is not big at all, unless you were a 14 year old in a rec league basketball tournament. Also, I doubt you are 7% fat, meaning you have even less LBM than you think, simply because that is ridiculously hard to achieve. Since you believe you are maxed out naturally and are 7% fat, I can assume you are ignorant and dont train properly. all you need to do to gain size is TRAIN HARD AND SMART, EAT AND SLEEP A LOT. I apologize for this being a flame, but the fact that you dont have test, dont have dosages for ANYTHING, and want to use deca for vascularity, pisses me off that you wont listen to anybody. Bigkb gave you excellent advice and all here suggest you take it. you are the kind of dumb schmuck that gives a community like this a bad name when he injures himself for life and/or cries and tells on everybody he can when he DECLARES illegal substances at customs and "somehow" manages to get in trouble down the line.

ha ha LMAO!!! Mate, i didnt actually put stuff up my arse! I actually declared the bag of roids but the num-nut let me keep it. i thought it would be worth trying out. After all, that whole bunch of stuff only cost about 60 aussie dollars - two thirds of fuck all!

thanks heaps for your input KB, i appreciate it alot. Problem is, i'm dead keen on getting on the program - just as i was two years ago. However i opted not to get on it back then, in favour of keeping natural for a while. This decision has yielded between 7-9 pounds of muscle in two years. Ive changed my program round, tried every over-the-counter supp known, and simply aren't getting dividends. i'm one of those hard-gainers i hear mentioned on this thread every now and then.

Thanks again for your advice. The test will be better for vascularity, right? Do you think deca is necessary with all the other stuff? Surely i wouldnt need the anabol, stanol, test AND deca??? I dont want mum and dad to think arnold has rolled in when i go over half way thru the cycle!

thanks in advance for any thoughts.

ps - - would 30 nolva tabs and 10 clomid be enough for my recovery? - (sorry if this is a stupid question)

 

[MANWHORE]

9lbs of muscle in 2yrs is great Really,what are you stats. OK sorry i didn't see that. Take Cravin's advice. Eat more and get some test for future cycle

 

[latinone]

the amount of Dbol and Winny you have is just not enough for any type of decent cycle.

If you can get your hands on some test, then that would be best since that is the foundation of a good cycle (along with nutrition, rest and work outs). I would run the test on its own since your receptors are virgin.

If you cant get test and can get the Deca, then you can always do a Dbol / Deca cycle but with the amount of Dbol you have, your only looking at 2 weeks which in my opinion isnt enough.

What dosage are the Nolva and Clomid?

 

[MANWHORE]

I would run the test on its own since your receptors are virgin.

Can you explain this to me? I know he will get good results with test alone,because of his level of training,but i don't get the virgin receptor thing. Are you suggesting that his ARs are more sensitive to androgens than someone who has been using for a while?

 

[juicecravin]

precisely...reason why 1st cycle is almost always best.

Can you explain this to me? I know he will get good results with test alone,because of his level of training,but i don't get the virgin receptor thing. Are you suggesting that his ARs are more sensitive to androgens than someone who has been using for a while?

 

[MANWHORE]

precisely...reason why 1st cycle is almost always best.

Well,i think the 1st cycle is always better,because one is usually at their lowest bodyweight before going on it. I don't keep all articles i read and i don't have that great of a memory,but i believe i read that androgen receptor sensitivity actually increases the more AAS is used.

 

[trauma]

precisely...reason why 1st cycle is almost always best.

wish i would have known that then! so many things would have been different!

don't rush it and fuck up a good opportunity! wait until you have enogh for a full cycle and PCT!!!!

 

[MANWHORE]

wish i would have known that then! so many things would have been different!

My guess is that 90% or more of the AAS users my age fucked up their 1st cycle. I've seen many guys start AAS use while in their teens,and the ones that stuck to it,are looking real good right now. If receptors desensitized during every AAS cycle,we wouldn't get shit off them after a while.

 

[latinone]

when I first did a cycle my gains were so much better than what I achieve now. If i was to take the same cycle with the same dosages now, I dont think I would get nearly the same results.

 

[MANWHORE]

when I first did a cycle my gains were so much better than what I achieve now. If i was to take the same cycle with the same dosages now, I dont think I would get nearly the same results.

Because your most likely at a higher body weight now. Everyone knows it gets harder and harder to gain muscle,wheather on or off cycle,because your body doesn't want all that muscle. it takes alot more energy to keep it.

 

[black0ut]

Not to be a dick, but i'm 6'4 only 200 pds, and i'm a "hardgainer"
I work out REAL well 3x a week, increasing weight each week, and i eat aprox 6k cals a day (300+ grams of protein)

I can not put a damn pound on. I been stuck at 200 for a year now. I've been training for 4 years, and I definately know how to.

I have done a lot of research on gear, and know how to compose a proper cycle.

If i haven't reached my natural size yet, how can I? Am I supposed to eat 10k cal a day? I've tried that, and all it did was make my stomach fat, and made me sweat 2x more. Am I supposed to train differently? I have tried just about every training program there is, and nothing has been a miracle for me. I drink enough water, take my vitamins and supps, and get good rest.

 

[cathex]

Because your most likely at a higher body weight now. Everyone knows it gets harder and harder to gain muscle,wheather on or off cycle,because your body doesn't want all that muscle. it takes alot more energy to keep it.

Nice one MANWHORE, I agree totally with that sentiment. This guy dosn't understand the concept of diminishing returns and the fact that to keep the degree of muscle you have attained with the stuff you must peroidically keep taking the stuff and if you want more you have to take more. But the more you take the less gains you get per mg. That's the way I understand it and I have read up on this. Hell, that's the whole reason - smart - people value gaining as much natural muscle as possible before 'crossing over to the dark side' so to speak.

One thing I don't understand though, is what they mean when they say you tend to keep more gains when you take stuff like primo or winny. What do they mean by that? I whish someone would put that into context for me.

 

[MANWHORE]

Not to be a dick, but i'm 6'4 only 200 pds, and i'm a "hardgainer"
I work out REAL well 3x a week, increasing weight each week, and i eat aprox 6k cals a day (300+ grams of protein)

I can not put a damn pound on. I been stuck at 200 for a year now. I've been training for 4 years, and I definately know how to.

I have done a lot of research on gear, and know how to compose a proper cycle.

If i haven't reached my natural size yet, how can I? Am I supposed to eat 10k cal a day? I've tried that, and all it did was make my stomach fat, and made me sweat 2x more. Am I supposed to train differently? I have tried just about every training program there is, and nothing has been a miracle for me. I drink enough water, take my vitamins and supps, and get good rest.

I would have said you may be better off with less training but i see your poundage has been going up each week. What rep range do you normally stay in?

 

[MANWHORE]

Nice one MANWHORE, I agree totally with that sentiment. This guy dosn't understand the concept of diminishing returns and the fact that to keep the degree of muscle you have attained with the stuff you must peroidically keep taking the stuff and if you want more you have to take more. But the more you take the less gains you get per mg. That's the way I understand it and I have read up on this. Hell, that's the whole reason - smart - people value gaining as much natural muscle as possible before 'crossing over to the dark side' so to speak.

One thing I don't understand though, is what they mean when they say you tend to keep more gains when you take stuff like primo or winny. What do they mean by that? I whish someone would put that into context for me.

When we are refering to gains,we usually mean more than muscle gains(fat,water,etc). When people say you'll keep more gains when coming off Primo cycle or any of those mild AAS for that matter,it's because you don't get much water or fat from those cycles,therefore,you won't see a major lose in bodyweight like you would when coming of test,dbol,or adrol cycles.....From what i understand,the only reason it's harder to gain from furture cycles is because your usually at a higher bodyweight after every cycle. If someone was to take a 1st cycle of 500mg test/week for 8 weeks gaining 20lbs,then stop working out for 1 yr losing that 20lbs,if he were to take that same cycle that yr later,he would probably gain 20lbs,so long as everything he did before was the same(workout,diet,etc). I really don't think the reason for diminishing returns has anything to do with receptor sensitivity. I believe the sensitivity of androgen receptors actually increases do to AAS use