Basic starter cycle. Laying a foundation.

[Phaedrus]

Hello all. I am new to participating in the forum but have been reading for awhile. Making sure my knowledge is up to par with what I am trying to achieve.

That being said my thought on a first cycle is Test C @ 500mg once per week for only 8 weeks. Possibly adding in arimidex @ .25 eod as needed or after week 4 until week 8.

A PCT program to commence 30 days after week 8 of clomid and nolva for three weeks, but still unsure of how to dose this properly.

I am 28yo
5'9"
174 lbs
15% bf

I have the gear but will not start until I have all my ducks in a row. Any help will be much appreciated.

 

[Marcus]

Hey man, welcome to Meso.
I would run PCT as Nolva 40/40/20/20 and Clomid 100/100/50/50... A 4 week PCT seems prudent considering your doing an 8 week run, but if you were deadest on 3 weeks. I would just drop the last week off.
Can I ask why you are waiting 30 days after your 8th week to start PCT? Have you found through bloodwork in the past, with Test C that this is the best time for you to begin PCT? Just wondering, because 3 weeks after last pin would be best with this dosage of Test C in my opinion.

 

[Phaedrus]

No I have never used any aas but I have been reading all the threads on when to start pct and I read the sticky about timing. It suggests waiting that long bc of the long esters half life tendency. To be certain the test has cleared before stimulating new natty production. Is this viable info? Also do I need both nolva and clomid? And is the arimidex necessary?

 

[Phaedrus]

Also marcus,

Thanks for taking the time to reply to my post. It is greatly appreciated.

 

[Marcus]

Absolutely my man! Always great to see lots of research being done prior to starting a cycle.
I'll try and answer all your questions, and maybe a vet who sees this thread can chime in with some advice as well, as I'm learning along with you. Only ran a few cycles here and just a few years of research under my belt. There are guys with decades on here, haha.
I like running PCT with only 1 SERM only because of the reduction in risk of side effects. My theory is the less compounds, the better. But this is not general practice, and I have run nolva and clomid together at exactly this dosage for 4 weeks and recovered perfectly with bloods to confirm. Also, ran just nolva at higher beginning dose and tapered, and recovered with bloods to confirm so I think it depends on the user. But the standard and most tried and true method is nolva and clomid so I'd suggest that for first cycle.
As far as Arimidex, general school of thought is to implement it if you know your gyno proned. Have you run pro-hormones or anything before? Or are you including it as a pre-cautionary measure? Some also just include it to start to reduce bloat and such. But the Arimidex I would say is most definitely necessary to have on-hand regardless if if you choose to run it right away or not

 

[HuckingFuge]

cycle look good. what does your diet look like?

 

[Phaedrus]

My diet is high levels of lean protein, also complex carbs, poly unsaturated fats, and lots of greens. I would say my diet game is on point.

 

[HuckingFuge]

My diet is high levels of lean protein, also complex carbs, poly unsaturated fats, and lots of greens. I would say my diet game is on point.

you should do well

 

[olrocko]

Solid first cycle bro. Way to keep it simple. That's a grower for sure[emoji106]


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[Boilermech]

Nice job helping a brother out Marcus. Keep it up [emoji106]

Phaedrus always nice to see new comers keeping things simple. Good luck brother and don't hesitate to ask any question along the way. Real solid bunch of guys on Meso.

Boilermech

 

[Phaedrus]

Thanks rocko. Rome wasn't built in a day.

And to all will the arimidex benefit me at all half way through even without signs of gyno? If so what is a suggested dosage? Like .25mg e3d? I don't want to shut down my e2 too much bc it will limit gains; however, if it helps with keeping a harder less bloated and less acne ridden result I am in.

Thanks for all the info yall. Gratitude.

 

[Boilermech]

Adex will definitely help with the bloat. The dose just depends on your body but .25 E3D is a good starting point.

If you don't want to drop your e2 levels then just keep it on hand. Everyone is different and everyone's body reacts differently to high e levels. I myself blow up like a puffer fish but don't get gyno so I keep it on hand just in case for most of my cycles. If I am not wanting to carry the bloated look and want to try and stay a little leaner I will take it. It's just going to depend on you.

 

[hotdog23]

I don't know if anyone mentioned it but take bi-weekly doses! 1ml x2 week will keep levels much more consistent.
*Personally* I would front load 1000mg on day one and then regular dosing schedule thereafter, and run prop and/or and oral for week 8-11, *to me* being shutdown with little/no anabolic or anti-catabolic benefit is abhorrent. Maximize every day on cycle IMO

Good luck! Enjoy