Best instruction setup for newbies and recipes?

[Gramps]

I see guys using 20% bb to brew test e, when you only need 5.

What's the chance of un-disolved powder being filtered out doing this? What may look clear to you or me might have enough powder only in suspension to get lost in a filter I would think. Has anyone tried this or seen it ruled out? Just curious.

 

[Big_paul]

If you don't use enough bb to thoroughly dissolve it, it won't make it past the filter. Stick in it the fridge and let it cool to 50 degrees and you can be sure you used enough solvent before adding your carrier. If it crashes, you can always add more bb.

The last time I brewed, I used test cyp. When it was finished it crashed the first night because the house got cold. I add 2 more ml of bb and 1/2 ml of ba to the finished product, and that resolved the problem. That was a 100ml jug.

 

[Gramps]

The last time I brewed, I used test cyp. When it was finished it crashed the first night because the house got cold. I add 2 more ml of bb and 1/2 ml of ba to the finished product, and that resolved the problem. That was a 100ml jug.

It always seemed logical to me as well as harmless to start with a minimum of BB and add as needed to dissolve while not going over 18% total as the generic standard. Top that with oil to get to your ML max and be done. When you said you added "2 more ml of BB" above, where do you believe you were at before adding that last 2%?

I agree with all who claim BB likely isn't a welcome health additive. Less is likely better.

 

[Big_paul]

It always seemed logical to me as well as harmless to start with a minimum of BB and add as needed to dissolve while not going over 18% total as the generic standard. Top that with oil to get to your ML max and be done. When you said you added "2 more ml of BB" above, where do you believe you were at before adding that last 2%?

I agree with all who claim BB likely isn't a welcome health additive. Less is likely better.

Exactly. As you know it depends on the ester you are using. Slowly add until the raw is dissolved. The less chemicals the better.

I used 50 grams of test cyp to brew 2 100ml jugs. 22% bb and 2 1/2 ba is what it took. 1 1/2 ml ba and 2ml bb after it crashed. I still have 1 left and looks purdy. Im going to filter it next week. At 80% purity I guessed it is 212 mg ml, but since it was so hard to dissolve in bb, I believe it was closer to 90%.

I know when I started using it at 800mg ew my hct went threw the roof. It's better than the ugl shit I have been using the last 6 months. My home brew is always better than what I can buy, even from labs I have known for years.

 

[Big_paul]

I brewed my last cyp. I will not use it again for the reason you mention. I want to keep chemicals to a minimum. BB is strong shit. Years ago i had spilled some in a plastic container I had in a cabinet. It had been 3-4 weeks and it had eaten through the plastic. I don't like that. I will use test e home brew which is 1/3 as much bb as necessary to brew cyp.

 

[Gramps]

I used 50 grams of test cyp to brew 2 100ml jugs. 22% bb and 2 1/2 ba is what it took. 1 1/2 ml ba and 2ml bb after it crashed. I still have 1 left and looks purdy. Im going to filter it next week. At 80% purity I guessed it is 212 mg ml, but since it was so hard to dissolve in bb, I believe it was closer to 90%.

So, whether you meant 22%BB PLUS another 2 to fix it (24%), or 22% total, tell me how that feels!

And can you explain why you think it's closer to 90% based on the BB requirements? That seems backwards to me - I'd think more pure might require less BB rather than more unless the 10% difference is garbage easily dissolved.

 

[Robfromga]

Bumping this older thread because of the wealth of info. I'm looking into brewing and trying to learn.

 

[Mkl2429]

Great info. I still have alot of reading to do. But definitely cant start making my own. Is there a list somewhere on here, for all you will need to get started. And im meaning the hardware. Like flask ect ect. Thanks for any help guys

 

[Buffhunter]

Great info. I still have alot of reading to do. But definitely cant start making my own. Is there a list somewhere on here, for all you will need to get started. And im meaning the hardware. Like flask ect ect. Thanks for any help guys

I would like to know as well!!!

 

[AnTabolic73]

Exactly. As you know it depends on the ester you are using. Slowly add until the raw is dissolved. The less chemicals the better.

I used 50 grams of test cyp to brew 2 100ml jugs. 22% bb and 2 1/2 ba is what it took. 1 1/2 ml ba and 2ml bb after it crashed. I still have 1 left and looks purdy. Im going to filter it next week. At 80% purity I guessed it is 212 mg ml, but since it was so hard to dissolve in bb, I believe it was closer to 90%.

I know when I started using it at 800mg ew my hct went threw the roof. It's better than the ugl shit I have been using the last 6 months. My home brew is always better than what I can buy, even from labs I have known for years.

hey big paul, in this example with test c, using 22% bb. if you used heat to melt the the raws down first, do you think less bb would've been needed to keep it in solution, or it wouldn't have made a difference?

 

[Big_paul]

hey big paul, in this example with test c, using 22% bb. if you used heat to melt the the raws down first, do you think less bb would've been needed to keep it in solution, or it wouldn't have made a difference?

Test cyp and test prop are 2 esters I would use some heat to dissolve after adding solvents to speed things up. I would never use heat on the raw itself, if that is what you mean. Add it to your solvent and then use low heat to dissolve it into your solvent. It only takes a few minutes in hot water. I then add my carrier oil. If your gear crashes after that, adding more bb to the finished product should solve the problem. The brew you are refering to, I brewed 200 ml of test cyp. Everything looked good, but it got cold that night and both 100ml vials crashed. I added an extra 2 ml of bb and 1/2 ml of ba in each , and that did the job. It never crashed again. I still have one left, and it is sitting pretty That is my process.

 

[AnTabolic73]

yea thats what I meant, using the heat to aid in dissolving the powder.
eg add powder to beaker add x % of ba and y% off bb. place beaker on hot plate or in boiling water...

in your e.g. of just adding enough bb to dissolve the powder. to phrase the question differently, in your experience, would it take more solvent to dissolve and keep it in solution at room temp, as opposed to using heat at whatever the raw melting point is and using bb to keep it in solution.

such as in your crashed test c, if you used heat as well as solvents would it have held? as opposed to just adding more solvent at room temp?

please let me know if I'm not being clear.

Test cyp and test prop are 2 esters I would use some heat to dissolve after adding solvents to speed things up. I would never use heat on the raw itself, if that is what you mean. Add it to your solvent and then use low heat to dissolve it into your solvent. It only takes a few minutes in hot water. I then add my carrier oil. If your gear crashes after that, adding more bb to the finished product should solve the problem. The brew you are refering to, I brewed 200 ml of test cyp. Everything looked good, but it got cold that night and both 100ml vials crashed. I added an extra 2 ml of bb and 1/2 ml of ba in each , and that did the job. It never crashed again. I still have one left, and it is sitting pretty That is my process.

 

[Big_paul]

As the temp drops, the hormone is harder to suspend. If it is completely dissolved on your hot plate, there may not be enough bb to keep it suspended at room temp. Let it cool before you add your carrier.

such as in your crashed test c, if you used heat as well as solvents would it have held? as opposed to just adding more solvent at room temp?

You know if your gear doesn't crash at room temp, you are close to having enough solvent, and if you need more at some point after you are close, you will not need much.

Using this process you can brew any aas. It is just a matter of dissolving the raw. You can use a minimal amount of solvent. Prefab recipes are posted by members who don't understand this simple process. You think to yourself that it can't be this easy. It is that easy, so don't make it difficult.

The cyp I brewed was the first I ever used it, but I understood the necessary steps. I added solvent until it was completely dissolved.

 

[AnTabolic73]

this is good info, thanks @Big_paul

 

[Mkl2429]

I been looking at BB and BA and maybe im missing something. When i put BB (20%) i spell the whole name. The ones im finding dont have the percentage on it ? Am i Missing something. Sorry for the newb questions guys. Thanks in advance

 

[AnTabolic73]

you'relooking for usp grade benzl benzoate. 20 % refers to how much you're putting into your mixture @Mkl2429

 

[Mkl2429]

you'relooking for usp grade benzl benzoate. 20 % refers to how much you're putting into your mixture @Mkl2429

Ok that what i was thinking. But for example say a recipe called for 8ml bb (20%). So the 8ml would equal up to 20% of the mixture is that correct. And agin im just using that number as example to be sure i have a clear understanding
Again thanks for the quick reply

 

[AnTabolic73]

yea, but you should read some of @Big_paul posts about just using enough bb to get the job done, instead of using a cookie cutter recipe.

but yeah, if you're making 100mL of total product 20% would be 100mL x .2=20mL of bb.

I'll add that, like you, I'm just researching homebrew, and have never done it. Yet!

 

[Mkl2429]

Ok awesome. So is 20% BB. Usually the safest way to go. I see some using 15%. Then i see some guys say just pour enough to disolve. And if it doesnt hold add a little bit more BB. I know guys say its very easy. And it seems super easy i just havent done it yet. And want to be sure im being safe and would like to use the least amount of chemicals. Because all in all we want to beable to do for a long time with out becoming petrified lol. Hey thanks for all your help. Evryone so far been very helpful

 

[AnTabolic73]

Ok awesome. So is 20% BB. Usually the safest way to go. I see some using 15%. Then i see some guys say just pour enough to disolve. And if it doesnt hold add a little bit more BB. I know guys say its very easy. And it seems super easy i just havent done it yet. And want to be sure im being safe and would like to use the least amount of chemicals. Because all in all we want to beable to do for a long time with out becoming petrified lol. Hey thanks for all your help. Evryone so far been very helpful

you gotta read some of @Big_paul posts on the subject, @Docd187123 also. these guys, and many others have the experience and can answer the questions. but most likely have answered them already if you read through the homebrew forum. I'm in the same position as you. it looks like something I would be interested in doing, but have never done so.

but to take a stab, depending on the raw, some are more difficult to dissolve and keep in solution than others, and will require more bb. and the higher the concentration (mg/ml) the more solvent you will need.