Best Mass builder

[bodybuilder2012]

Opinions on quickest and cleanest mass builder???
seems mdrol is carazy fast mass as I have seen but likely to keep less than 20 percent and super bad for you. Seems dbol is quite popular but crazy bloat and blood pressure problems. Tren seems to be popular(acetate) as enthanate is 20 percent less potent but tren builds good mass but surpresses cortisol at the same time which melts fat very fast. Friend about to start and it debating test e at 500mg a week with dbol 4 weekmkickstart but he is debating on adding tren in for first cycle. Seems everyone loves tren. Seems to me that tren /dbol/test combos could be cycle after cycle and give great gains every time. True??

 

[KCSMAN]

you could go with anavar or tbol with tren a and toss in some test prop depending on how long you are wanting to run the cycle. you'll get some water weight with dbol and anadrol. in my opinion you can't go wrong with tren.

Opinions on quickest and cleanest mass builder???
seems mdrol is carazy fast mass as I have seen but likely to keep less than 20 percent and super bad for you. Seems dbol is quite popular but crazy bloat and blood pressure problems. Tren seems to be popular(acetate) as enthanate is 20 percent less potent but tren builds good mass but surpresses cortisol at the same time which melts fat very fast. Friend about to start and it debating test e at 500mg a week with dbol 4 weekmkickstart but he is debating on adding tren in for first cycle. Seems everyone loves tren. Seems to me that tren /dbol/test combos could be cycle after cycle and give great gains every time. True??

 

[bodybuilder2012]

you could go with anavar or tbol with tren a and toss in some test prop depending on how long you are wanting to run the cycle. you'll get some water weight with dbol and anadrol. in my opinion you can't go wrong with tren.

I have advised him against tren for first cycle but actually see it recommended on other sites but dubbed as the "daring first cycle" anyone tried this type of cycle for a first and did well or is it asking for it? I know purpose of test e and dbol first cycle is to get start and results and then each cycle add in compounds to keep track of which compounds you can use and which ones give you bad sides but isnt it reasonable to say that pretty much everyone is fine with test e since it is a clone of our own test production? Safe to skip the trials on the test and use tren with it? I am training him and just want him to be safe as I have never used tren but plan on it in next cycle. I want to advise him for best and most impressive gains for first cycle but not hurt him either. Thanks

 

[leoclaw79]

isnt the dbol bloat only caused by estrogen? dbol/ tren with letro for the win!!!!

 

[biggerben69]

Opinions on quickest and cleanest mass builder???
seems mdrol is carazy fast mass as I have seen but likely to keep less than 20 percent and super bad for you. Seems dbol is quite popular but crazy bloat and blood pressure problems. Tren seems to be popular(acetate) as enthanate is 20 percent less potent but tren builds good mass but surpresses cortisol at the same time which melts fat very fast. Friend about to start and it debating test e at 500mg a week with dbol 4 weekmkickstart but he is debating on adding tren in for first cycle. Seems everyone loves tren. Seems to me that tren /dbol/test combos could be cycle after cycle and give great gains every time. True??

Test E and D-bol is a tried and true Mass builder. I wouldn't use tren for a first cycle for different reasons. You could add Decca to the 2 others but would only do this if the cycle was going to be at least 16 weeks.
If you are concerned with bloat from the d-bol(test can cause bloat as well) then have an ai on hand. Say 1mg of anastrozole(arimidex) every 3 days. You will have bloat free gains.

 

[MANWHORE]

Opinions on quickest and cleanest mass builder???
seems mdrol is carazy fast mass as I have seen but likely to keep less than 20 percent and super bad for you. Seems dbol is quite popular but crazy bloat and blood pressure problems. Tren seems to be popular(acetate) as enthanate is 20 percent less potent but tren builds good mass but surpresses cortisol at the same time which melts fat very fast. Friend about to start and it debating test e at 500mg a week with dbol 4 weekmkickstart but he is debating on adding tren in for first cycle. Seems everyone loves tren. Seems to me that tren /dbol/test combos could be cycle after cycle and give great gains every time. True??

Tren .. Masteron

Tren E 20% less potent? Who told you that?

72mg every 100 for E and 83 for A ...

Quickest mass has to be Adrol

Cleanest mass? huh?

Well, cleanest meaning most solid gains
then Tren.. Possible Mast if problems with Progesterone
on your winky.

 

[bodybuilder2012]

^^^^^ read it was 20 percent less in an article. Most research I have seen recommend the tren a over tren e.

 

[MANWHORE]

^^^^^ read it was 20 percent less in an article. Most research I have seen recommend the tren a over tren e.

That's just because the letter E gets a
bad rap next to the letter A ..

Hey look at me, I am the letter A, I come first in the
alphebete .. alphabet .. however it's spelled .. I am not
buying it.

Tren A has been around longer and Enanthate is only a UG product.
We will always want the fastest results being human beings like we are
which just adds to Tren Acetate being used more and recommened more.

I never even used Tren A. I don't think I did anyway.
O yeah I did, in a stack .. Cut Mix by Dragon Pharma ..
had Tren A, Test Prop, and Drost Prop and that shit
was insane. .. Never alone though, so don't listen
to me

 

[The Jason Bourne]

Friend about to start and it debating test e at 500mg a week with dbol 4 weekmkickstart but he is debating on adding tren in for first cycle. Seems everyone loves tren. Seems to me that tren /dbol/test combos could be cycle after cycle and give great gains every time. True??

Very true. Did this exactly on my first cycle and it had great results. Tren is a bitch though. Make sure you get some Prami unless you don't plan on getting it in with the ladies during your cycle.

 

[MANWHORE]

Friend about to start and it debating test e at 500mg a week with dbol 4 weekmkickstart but he is debating on adding tren in for first cycle. Seems everyone loves tren. Seems to me that tren /dbol/test combos could be cycle after cycle and give great gains every time. True??

Very true. Did this exactly on my first cycle and it had great results. Tren is a bitch though. Make sure you get some Prami unless you don't plan on getting it in with the ladies during your cycle.

Prami?

Yeah, I see this limp dick thing written about Tren alot,
but I never got it myself. I think most guys that talk about
it never had it happened, cause they probably never used Tren alone.
They sure like to talk about it though.

 

[bodybuilder2012]

what is prami? lol. mistype? i have heard tren is an ace in the hole for clean mass. alot of people believe it is safer to do a tren cycle first with something like anavar than a dbol and test e as far as side effects on the body. i am planning the next cycle after this one coming up to be dbol and tren a i think. we'll see.

 

[MANWHORE]

I would really like to see someone who has a major problem
with gyno from estrogen, use a Tren only cycle to see
if this progest gyno is true ...

It would have to be someone with E receptors in their tittys
I don't have them things. I wish I did

 

[bodybuilder2012]

[)] I hope I dont lol. Iam not too sensitive feeling I dont think!? I fI cry during talledega night when ricky bobby wins the championship does that make me estrogen sensitive? lol j.k

I would really like to see someone who has a major problem
with gyno from estrogen, use a Tren only cycle to see
if this progest gyno is true ...

It would have to be someone with E receptors in their tittys
I don't have them things. I wish I did

 

[MANWHORE]

[)] I hope I dont lol. Iam not too sensitive feeling I dont think!? I fI cry during talledega night when ricky bobby wins the championship does that make me estrogen sensitive? lol j.k

I hope not, cause I cried when Ryan Gosling and Rachel McAdams
got back together, in The NoteBook

Sometimes I get goosebumps from parts of movies and
sometimes I just don't feel anything. Someone can get their
head ripped off and I will just be sitting there, like a mental
patient without a pulse

 

[dave.k]

Ok my 2 cents

My first cycle was actually tren e 400mg per week with anavar which was recommended by my PT. It was a short 6 week cycle.

I had great gains, no libido problems, sometimes agression became an issue, some sleep problems and night sweats. But it did transform my physique

tren is fine for a first cycle but stick with the ace ester so you can alter dosage or come off altogether if you need to. Im on tren and prop now and I have upped my tren to 150mg eod. Slowly working my way up with the tren but sticking to a low dose of test and I have had hardly any sides.

 

[bodybuilder2012]

debate is between test e and tren for first cycle. dbol will be used for first four weeks on both cyles. wants to run a 14 week cycle so i need input on what should be done and if tren is chosen what can the dose safely be for best gains without crazy sides? he will be using adex and nolvadex throughout to get bloat free and gyno free gains.

Ok my 2 cents

My first cycle was actually tren e 400mg per week with anavar which was recommended by my PT. It was a short 6 week cycle.

I had great gains, no libido problems, sometimes agression became an issue, some sleep problems and night sweats. But it did transform my physique

tren is fine for a first cycle but stick with the ace ester so you can alter dosage or come off altogether if you need to. Im on tren and prop now and I have upped my tren to 150mg eod. Slowly working my way up with the tren but sticking to a low dose of test and I have had hardly any sides.

 

[MANWHORE]

If he doesn't want bloat or gyno then just cut out the Dbol
or test whatever it is of those 2 he was going to be worrying about

I went very high with Tren E that I brewed so I know it was
good stuff ... 900mg/week probably little more, can't remember
but 900mg/week I sweat like a pig every night, I needed a piss
pad underneath my bed sheet...

My sexdrive was insane .. My confidence
.. well that's always good but I was not able to talk to women
without getting caught up in them.. wanting them .. could not stop thinking
of their soft skin .. lips, pussy, .. basically I was hypnotized by them which felt
good but could have turned very bad.

I still get that from 200mg/week but on a much smaller scale. I
can at least control it comfortably at 200 a week

I don't really consider these sides bad sides.
I do find I need sugar when I am using higher doses

I was eating a box of those really good ices in the clear
plastic every day .. they are like sticks and different colors
gotta get the good ones though. They are longer and not
as dark color as the short sucky ones

OK, where were we?

 

[bodybuilder2012]

900MG a week??? is that kinda high for someone who hasnt done that many cycles??? i would want dbol in there to for added mass. me and my friend are both doing a tren a and dbol cycle for 14 weeks but this is his first cycle and after lots of research and opinions it seems fine and even less dangerouse than a test e and dbol cycle for his first one. so do u take 150mg ed? i have read that typical dose is 100mg a day and the gains nearly max out at that. also know i need dbol to raise estrogen some so it doesnt fall to low so maybe i should have no antis at all? should dbol be ran high in start and low throughout the rest of cycle at like 15mg a day?? i don t think i want to put test in and stack it that high yet.

 

[MANWHORE]

900MG a week??? is that kinda high for someone who hasnt done that many cycles??? .

O yeah, I didn't even need that high, but when someone
has 1,000ml of Tren lying around, it's kind of tempting

 

[bodybuilder2012]

yeah upon further research i HAVE to have a test in there as a base. should have known better but it shuts down test completely so there is no test working in body at all which is a biiiiig no no and loaded gun!!! so test base and tren a at about 100 mgs eod or ed. did discover that tren is 5 times more anabolic than test though!!!! lol