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Beyond testosterone cypionate: evidence behind the use of nandrolone in male health and wellness
Michael M. Pan and Jason R. Kovac

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Abstract
Characterized by low serum testosterone levels and diverse symptoms, male hypogonadism is a common condition. Current medical treatment focuses on testosterone supplementation using multiple modalities such as injections, gels and pellets. Interestingly, while testosterone is considered an anabolic androgenic steroid, it has not been saddled with the social stigma that other, similar medications have. The goal of this review is to highlight an anabolic steroid, 19-nortestosterone (i.e., nandrolone, deca-durabolin) and illustrate prospective therapeutic applications for male health. Containing a chemical structure similar to testosterone, nandrolone has a higher myotrophic: androgenic ratio resulting in improved effects on muscle mass. Animal models have suggested application in the improvement of joint healing following rotator cuff repair. Minimal literature exists regarding the use of nandrolone and, as such, further human studies are required.

Keywords: Nandrolone, erectile dysfunction (ED), testosterone supplementation therapy (TST), alopecia, joint healing, pharmacology, muscle growth
Introduction
Male hypogonadism is a clinical entity characterized by symptoms such as fatigue, erectile dysfunction (ED) and mood changes associated with decreased serum levels of testosterone (1). Treatment of hypogonadism involves the exogenous supplementation of testosterone and may be complemented with other medications such as human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) and clomiphene citrate (clomid) (2-4). With the increasing rise in incidence of male hypogonadism, and the growing knowledge of the roles for testosterone in male health, other pharmacological steroid compounds should be evaluated to either supplement, and/or replace testosterone in the treatment of male health.

Unfortunately, numerous well-published media reports dealing with anabolic steroids in professional and Olympic athletes have brought a cloud of speculation and doubt regarding use of these “illicit” medications. The fact that these anabolic steroid medications are banned by numerous athletic associations such as the International Olympic Committee as well as the National Football and Basketball Associations and Major League Baseball, further re-enforces the public perception that these medications should not be used under any circumstances. Indeed, a recent study (5) evaluated healthcare-provider attitudes towards anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS) and found that AAS users were viewed less favorably that cocaine abusers or healthy adults. These perceptions were enhanced by the passage of the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 that listed anabolic steroids as schedule III controlled substances—similar to ketamine, opiates and morphine (6). This policy mandated that a physician prescription was necessary to obtain the medication; further challenging the opinion of the general public. As such, it is tempting to speculate that investigations into alternatives to testosterone therapy have been slowed by societal stigma and perception.

An anabolic steroid that has been investigated to some degree in the treatment of male health is 19-nortestosterone (or nandrolone, deca-durabolin). This synthetic anabolic steroid has been available for decades and has been studied in multiple clinical pathologies. Early investigations of nandrolone focused on its potential uses in the treatment of osteoporosis. In that setting, it increased gastrointestinal and renal tubular absorption of calcium and decreased bone reabsorption (7). Nandrolone also had the beneficial effects of stimulating the formation of extra-osseous collagen and soft tissue (7). However, as would be expected, ~50% of women who were prescribed nandrolone reported some component of virilization (7). Due, in part, to these adverse effects, and the development of newer and more effective therapies to treat osteoperosis (i.e., bisphosphonates), nandrolone never gained traction as an effective clinical adjunct for this indication. Despite this, nandrolone’s stimulatory effects on bone and soft tissues became the basis upon which some researchers suggested its use in anemia and muscle wasting secondary to hemodialysis and/or HIV (8,9). Furthermore, recent studies have investigated the effects of nandrolone in the treatment of chronic pulmonary obstructive disease (10,11). In the context of the current review that examines the potential uses for anabolic steroids in male health, nandrolone was chosen as a case study. Details regarding its pharmacology as well as its potential uses in male health were explored.

Materials and methods
A PubMed/MEDLINE literature search was conducted for the periods of 1960–2015 in January, 2015. There were an insignificant number of published quality data available for meta-analysis, so a systematic review was performed. Key search terms included combinations of “Nandrolone”, “testosterone”, “hypogonadism”, “deca-durabolin”, “19-nortestosterone”, “pharmacology”, “alopecia”, “joint(s)”, “rotator cuff”, and “erectile dysfunction”. In excess of 1,000 manuscript abstracts were screened by the authors using title search and abstract summaries. Applicable studies were read in-depth and included in this current review. Additionally, an internet search strategy examining blogs and discussion sites, as previously described (12) was used. These techniques have been previously validated through other reports that employed similar methods of Internet data mining to report consistent findings (13,14).

Nandrolone pharmacology
Nandrolone is a synthetic anabolic steroid that bears similarity in chemical appearance to testosterone. The only major difference between the two molecules is a single methyl group (see Figure 1). Similar to testosterone, nandrolone is administered via intramuscular (IM) injection and has a plasma half-life of approximately 8 days (7). Nandrolone binds to androgen receptors with a greater binding affinity than testosterone and with an increased anabolic, or myotrophic, activity rate (versus androgenic activity) (15). For example and to assist in comparison, the myotrophic:androgenic ratio can be used to compare testosterone (~1:1) to nandrolone (~11:1) (15) with regards to the ability to stimulate muscle growth compared to virilization.


Figure 1
Comparison of molecular structures of testosterone and 19-nortestosterone (nandrolone).
With regards to the mechanisms of nandrolone inside the human body, understanding the pathway of testosterone action is important. In certain tissues, such as the prostate or in the hair follicles, testosterone is converted to dihydrotestosterone (DHT) by 5 alpha-reductase (5AR). High levels of 5AR activity are present in androgenic tissues from the prostate but are undetectable in skeletal muscle (15). As such, in skeletal muscle, testosterone directly binds androgen receptors contributing to muscle growth. However, in prostatic tissues and hair follicles, testosterone is converted to DHT by 5AR and is thus responsible for the known side effects of testosterone supplementation therapy (TST) on prostate growth and alopecia (15).

5AR can also act on nandrolone (19-nortestosterone) to produce 5α-dihydro-19-nortestosterone (15). This reduced form of nandrolone has a significantly decreased binding affinity for the androgen receptor compared to its parent steroid, testosterone (15). As such, the 5AR conversion of nandrolone to 5α-dihydro-19-nortestosterone in prostatic tissues results in a significantly decreased ability of nandrolone to bind androgen receptors. Theoretically, the end result could be a decrease in prostatic growth with a possible and theoretical effect on lower urinary tract symptoms such as those developed as a result of benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH). A potential decrease in the rates of alopecia could also be observed . Furthermore, the lack of 5AR in skeletal muscle allows nandrolone to bind strongly to androgen receptors in the muscle and stimulate growth, contributing to its high myotrophic:androgenic ratio (15).

The metabolism of nandrolone is incompletely understood. Metabolites of nandrolone include 19-norandrosterone and 19-noretiocholanolone glucuronides that are detectable in urine (16). Animal studies suggest that nandrolone can also be converted to various estrogens via the actions of aromatase (17,18); however, human studies are lacking.

Nandralone and alopecia
TST in hypogonadal men results in elevated levels of free serum testosterone and, in turn, DHT. This occurs due to conversion of testosterone to DHT via 5AR inhibitors (5ARi) (19,20). Androgenic alopecia, or male pattern hair loss, typically occurs in 20% of 20-year-old men and then increases by approximately 10% every 10 years (21). A critical role for DHT in hair growth can be seen in the case study of men with Imperato-McGinley syndrome. This condition results from a mutation in the gene for type II 5AR that prevents the expression of the enzyme. As a consequence, men with this condition never become bald (22).

Androgen dependent miniaturization of scalp hair follicles by DHT is implicated as the primary cause of alopecia (23). Controlled clinical trials demonstrated that use of finasteride resulted in decreased accumulation of DHT and improvements in both subjective and objective assessments of hair growth and density (23).

Indeed, the most established management paradigm for the treatment of alopecia in the male is finasteride (24). First approved in 1992 in the treatment of benign prostatic hypertrophy, finasteride was approved for the treatment of alopecia in 1997 at a dose of 1 mg daily (propecia®) (24). In men on TST, finasteride at 1 mg is used as a means of preventing the excess exogenously administered testosterone from converting to DHT. By decreasing the amount of DHT, less is available to act on the hair follicles stabilizing the amount of hair loss.

The theory underlying the possible use of nandrolone in the context of alopecia results from the fact that it does not convert to DHT but instead gets transformed into 5α-dihydro-19-nortestosterone, a molecularly distinct compound (15,25). It is thus possible that in hypogonadal males nandrolone, in addition to or in replacement for testosterone, could alleviate concerns for the development of androgenic alopecia.

There are several lines of evidence that make this hypothesis particularly appealing. In experimental animal models, nandrolone is synthesized endogenously through a mechanism distinct from DHT (25). Furthermore, the metabolism of nandrolone in animal models yields compounds completely unrelated to DHT (15,26). It has also been proven that the actions of 5AR on nandrolone produce a compound that has decreased affinity and activity at the androgen receptor (15). Given that nandrolone is not converted to DHT it seems logical to assume that it would have less effect on hair loss than exogenous testosterone (with its subsequent conversion to DHT). Thus, nandrolone may be beneficial in treating hypogonadal men concerned about alopecia in the setting of TST.

Another aspect of this discussion also involves consideration for the possible existence of persistent sexual side effects and anxiety/depressive symptoms reported with the use of 5ARis like finasteride (27,28). Some symptoms of which have been shown to last for months to years (29). Therefore, by utilizing an agent with less direct effects on hair loss, nandrolone may represent a viable option for men in the treatment of hypogonadism. Altered levels of neuroactive steroids related to depressive symptoms have been identified in men with a history of finasteride use, even when the drug has been discontinued (30). The use of nandrolone would obviate these concerns.

Nandrolone and joint healing
Recent studies in animal models have identified a potential role for nandrolone in joint pain, particularly post rotator cuff tears (31,32). In one such study by Gerber et al. (31), 20 New Zealand white rabbits had their supraspinatus tendon released with musculotendinous retraction and observed over 6 weeks. Rabbits were organized into groups treated with placebo as well as local and systemic administration of nandrolone (31). Nandrolone, given in the phase after tendon release, was found to inhibit fatty infiltration of the supraspinatus muscle and reduced functional impairment of the rotator cuff (31).

An earlier 2010 study by Papaspiliopoulos et al. (32) examined 48 male rabbits that underwent rotator cuff incision and reconstruction after stratification into groups based on local nandrolone administration and immobilization. In this study, local administration of nandrolone proved detrimental to wound healing however, systemic administration was not studied (32). Other limitations include the fact that anabolic steroids affect the tensile strength of tendons that may then cause failure with less elongation (33). Local administration of nandrolone may impair the healing of acute tendon injuries and the perceived benefits to retracted muscle may be outweighed by its effects on tendon healing (34).

Interestingly, Internet and discussion group anecdotal data suggests that nandrolone is effective in decreasing joint pain in bodybuilders. These athletes lift large amounts of weights putting extreme pressure on their joints while reporting improvement and lowered pain with the use of nandrolone. While limited data is available, and dosages are unknown, further investigations are needed to determine the effects of nandrolone on joints in general, and the rotator cuff in particular.

Nandrolone and muscle growth
Nandrolone has long been known to have significant stimulatory effects on muscle growth. As described above, nandrolone displays a greater myotrophic:androgenic ratio compared to testosterone (15). When compared to testosterone, the high levels of 5AR in androgenic tissues (i.e., the prostate) convert nandrolone to a less active metabolite (versus DHT that is highly active). Furthermore, the lack of 5AR in skeletal muscle allows nandrolone to produce a primarily anabolic/myotrophic (i.e., muscle growing) effect (15). The ability of nandrolone to preferentially stimulate muscle growth formed the basis of its use in the treatment of anorexia and cachexia in patients with chronic medical disorders such as chronic renal failure and HIV (8,35). In these patients, administration of nandrolone has been shown to increase lean body mass as well as muscle mass and strength (8,35).

Hypogonadism has been shown to be associated with dyslipidemia, atherosclerosis, cardiovascular disease, metabolic syndrome, and diabetes (36). Testosterone supplementation in hypogonadal men improves these risk factors leading, in some patients, to complete resolution of their metabolic syndrome (36-38). Indeed, an increase in lean body mass and muscle mass with the systemic administration of nandrolone could improve body composition and augment testosterone’s effects in preventing (39) and reversing metabolic syndrome and the risk of type 2 diabetes in hypogonadal men.

Nandralone and ED
In spite of its potential beneficial uses described above, one major limitation to the use of nandrolone in hypogonadal males stems from the fact that a relationship may exist between the use of nandrolone and ED. Although the World Health Organization INCHEM database compiled by the International Program on Chemical Safety (http://www.who.int/ipcs/en) lists impotence under adverse effects of nandrolone; no consistent reports of ED associated with the use of nandrolone have been reported in the literature.

Anecdotal evidence from patients, as well as those men who have previously used nandrolone from “alternative” sources suggests a relationship with the use of nandrolone (alone, not in combination with testosterone) and ED. Indeed, nandrolone may contribute to the development of ED through two mechanisms: the suppression of testosterone/DHT via negative feedback and the buildup of estrogens.

Numerous studies have shown that DHT is the active androgen involved in maintenance of nitric oxide-mediated penile erections. Castrated rats treated with exogenous testosterone recovered erectile function but, when co-administered with a 5ARi to block DHT production, this recovery was lost (40,41). Moreover, administration of transdermal DHT in aging men resulted in improvement in early morning erections and the ability to maintain erections (42). In fact, one of the most common sexual side-effects of 5ARi’s (described above) is ED (43).

Nandrolone has also been shown to decrease LH, FSH, and endogenous testosterone levels in animal models, indicating a negative feedback loop to inhibit the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal (HPG) axis (44). In this context, nandrolone acts as an androgen receptor agonist that is not converted endogenously to DHT (15). As such, it provides negative feedback to the HPG axis to suppresses testosterone levels, further decreasing the available testosterone and DHT, compounding its negative effects on erectile function.

Imbalance in the testosterone to estrogen ratio has been associated with ED (45). Numerous subsets of patients with ED have elevated estradiol levels, indicating a relationship between estrogens and erectile function (45). Nandrolone and other members of the 19-nor-androgen families have been shown to undergo aromatase-mediated conversion to estrogens in animal models (17,18,46). Nandrolone itself shows significant binding affinity and full agonist activity with the alpha-estrogen receptor (47). Indeed, increased serum estrogen levels in men have been associated with development of gynecomastia, increased body fat mass, and unfavorable lipid profiles—all contributing factors to ED (48-51). As such, it can be theorized that nandrolone should be administered with testosterone to prevent ED with an eye towards regulation of a patients estradiol levels. However, specific in vivo studies examining the effects of nandrolone administration in humans has not been described.

Nandralone and male infertility
No studies currently exist.

Discussion
Nandrolone is a synthetic anabolic steroid that possesses unique qualities and is potentially beneficial in the treatment of male health alone, or as an adjunct to TST for hypogonadal men. Nandrolone has a relatively long half-life in the plasma and a strong binding affinity for androgen receptors. The lack of conversion to DHT could mean decreased hair loss in men undergoing TST suggesting a novel use for this medication in a subpopulation of hypogonadal men. Furthermore, in men with voiding dysfunction due to benign prostatic hypertrophy, the reduction of nandrolone by 5AR to generate a weaker androgen (compared to DHT) that does not stimulate the growth of androgenic tissues such as the prostate could serve as another indicator for its use. Nandrolone preferentially stimulates growth of skeletal muscle and lean body mass that may provide benefit in reducing components of metabolic syndrome. Moreover, preliminary work on nandrolone has suggested a potential role in the treatment of joint healing, particularly in rotator cuff injuries.

Limitations to the use of nandrolone include the potential for ED via suppression of the HPG axis. The lack of conversion to DHT and the concurrent increase in serum estrogens may mediate this effect. Administration of low doses of testosterone, along with nandrolone, would alleviate these effects. Further research is needed to evaluate nandrolone’s potential role in the management of male health.

Conclusions
Characterized by low serum testosterone and a multitude of debilitating symptoms, male hypogonadism is a common condition. Primarily treated with exogenous testosterone replacement, novel adjuncts to improve responses and decrease side effects are being studied. Nandrolone is an anabolic steroid compound with a high myotrophic:anabolic ratio. In this manuscript, we have explored the potential uses for nandrolone in male health. Specifically, we have reviewed the pharmacology of nandrolone and detailed a potential role for nandrolone in joint healing and muscle growth. Finally, a consideration was given to the potential adverse effects of nandrolone on ED. Further research in human subjects is required.

Acknowledgements
None.

Footnotes


Conflicts of Interest: JR Kovac is a paid speaker for AbbVie. The other author has no conflicts of interest to declare.



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Transl Androl Urol. 2016 Apr; 5(2): 213–219.
doi: 10.21037/tau.2016.03.03
PMCID: PMC4837307
Michael M. Pan1 and Jason R. Kovac
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1Scott Department of Urology, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas 77030, USA; 2Men’s Health Center, Urology of Indiana, Indianapolis, Indiana 46260, USA
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Contributions: (I) Conception and design: All authors; (II) Administrative support: All authors; (III) Provision of study materials or patients: All authors; (IV) Collection and assembly of data: All authors; (V) Data analysis and interpretation: All authors; (VI) Manuscript writing: All authors; (VII) Final approval of manuscript: All authors.
Correspondence to: Dr. Jason R. Kovac. Men’s Health Center, 8240 Naab Road, Suite 220, Indianapolis, Indiana 46260, USA. Email: moc.niygoloru@cavokj.
Received 2016 Jan 11; Accepted 2016 Feb 29.
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nandrolone will put your strength, erections and entire positive effects of dht in the toilet with its dhn conversion.
outside of hair loss from the top of the head, and possible joint issues with test which i believe is occurring due to the usage of anti aromatase with the test, dht and test kicks ass over nandrolone.
now, i get it if you want additional anabolic stimulation over and beyond test to stack both but the interference with dht is something i wouldnt mess with ever again.
 
If I could find a reliable supplier that doesn't require the crypto nonsense, NPP would be the only thing I use on top of gh. Fantastic results physically and mentally with no hair loss.
 
after all that was stated in the scientific article, is there anyone whom has used nandrolone, milligram for milligram and had the same strength , energy and erection ability as that of testosterone ? its an anabolic without androgenic power
 
after all that was stated in the scientific article, is there anyone whom has used nandrolone, milligram for milligram and had the same strength , energy and erection ability as that of testosterone ? its an anabolic without androgenic power
For me NPP was simply so much better.

Strength, gains, recovery, mental and libido - no hair thinning, no acne, no oily face, no shrinking balls.

It's a fucking awesome compound, as long as it's legit; not some UGL sending you fucking tren.

Only when combining test 500+ and NPP 500+, did I get awful mental sides but I'm an old fuck.

Unfortunately, I'm back on +trt & gh now as my NPP source(s) are too sketchy.
 
For me NPP was simply so much better.

Strength, gains, recovery, mental and libido - no hair thinning, no acne, no oily face, no shrinking balls.

It's a fucking awesome compound, as long as it's legit; not some UGL sending you fucking tren.

Only when combining test 500+ and NPP 500+, did I get awful mental sides but I'm an old fuck.

Unfortunately, I'm back on +trt & gh now as my NPP source(s) are too sketchy.
no kidding ?!!!! hmm. well, if you check geneza direct .org, not under their injectables but their " from usa " its there... kind of slick but they have stuff in their " from usa which isnt really from usa that is different from their injectable selection. wtf ? lol...
anyway, i was reading about it and huh ! fast acting deca. i already use gp test suspension. not their tne which burns , doesnt work well and burns my liver too but their water based suspension.
i wonder if i mixed a little in the syringe like i used to do with test how it would go !
i just hope it isnt like their tne. this is their tnn so im a little concerned. however i could always give it a try...

just a little background... im an older guy myself. it was some 25 years ago and i was just on some deca at the time. no deca test combo. BIG MISTAKE !

So i was with this girl whom was kind of wild and a little into S and M. She was on top of me and then she tried to push off to " get away " so i went to hold her back down and i actually had a little trouble !!! I was like... WTF ?!?! is going on with my strength ! and to seal the deal on me never having used deca again after that was i didnt get hard which was simply humiliating and totally ruined the night.... i had deca dick. I hated deca since then and never used it again, ever..
now, if i used it with test as generally recommended, this could maybe work.

BTW, DID YOU NOTICE ANY REDUCTION IN CARDIO ABILITY ? JUST CURIOUS ON THAT BECAUSE I NEED CARDIO AS WELL.

also, regarding oily face , nowadays you can buy test that is high dosage such as the 400 mgs per ml geneza and the suspension which has no oil in it whatsoever.

i do tend to have excessive bruising in the fat area of my stomach after inject it but the injection doesnt hurt at all and it works great.... doesnt negatively effect my cardio either.
 
no kidding ?!!!! hmm. well, if you check geneza direct .org, not under their injectables but their " from usa " its there... kind of slick but they have stuff in their " from usa which isnt really from usa that is different from their injectable selection. wtf ? lol...
anyway, i was reading about it and huh ! fast acting deca. i already use gp test suspension. not their tne which burns , doesnt work well and burns my liver too but their water based suspension.
i wonder if i mixed a little in the syringe like i used to do with test how it would go !
i just hope it isnt like their tne. this is their tnn so im a little concerned. however i could always give it a try...

just a little background... im an older guy myself. it was some 25 years ago and i was just on some deca at the time. no deca test combo. BIG MISTAKE !

So i was with this girl whom was kind of wild and a little into S and M. She was on top of me and then she tried to push off to " get away " so i went to hold her back down and i actually had a little trouble !!! I was like... WTF ?!?! is going on with my strength ! and to seal the deal on me never having used deca again after that was i didnt get hard which was simply humiliating and totally ruined the night.... i had deca dick. I hated deca since then and never used it again, ever..
now, if i used it with test as generally recommended, this could maybe work.

BTW, DID YOU NOTICE ANY REDUCTION IN CARDIO ABILITY ? JUST CURIOUS ON THAT BECAUSE I NEED CARDIO AS WELL.

also, regarding oily face , nowadays you can buy test that is high dosage such as the 400 mgs per ml geneza and the suspension which has no oil in it whatsoever.

i do tend to have excessive bruising in the fat area of my stomach after inject it but the injection doesnt hurt at all and it works great.... doesnt negatively effect my cardio either.

Since stopping NPP and just using test, I've noticed much more soreness; but I've upped my workout intensity too.

I do 45-60 minutes of daily cardio regardless of using or not using.
 
Since stopping NPP and just using test, I've noticed much more soreness; but I've upped my workout intensity too.

I do 45-60 minutes of daily cardio regardless of using or not using.
As far as soreness goes, I'm in my 50s and I don't have that issue like I did when I was natural. My stack is about 300 to 350 mgs per week of test suspension, 5 mgs a day of dbol that I take towards the evening as the test starts to wear off, the recommended dose of peg mgf and ghk cu along with supplementary copper, swolverine krealkyln creatine, beta alanine , citrulline malate and other supportive stuff from vitamin shoppe. But I do believe that the little extra dbol with the peg mgf makes the most difference. I tried aod 9604 and it messes with my blood sugar. Sermorelin gives me headaches. Haven't tried qtropin gh yet or ghrh combined with another compound that peptide sciences sells but plan on addressing the gh side further...
 
I picked up a kit of Nandrolone to aid me in my recovery from a rotator cuff injury from dropping my motorcycle. I'm over 50 yo and already on 100mg/wk TRT plus I take 1mg Finasteride.

JUST as I was getting ready to start my Nandrolone I read where Deca along with Fin will absolutely destroy hair. So, I've been sitting on the Deca kit I ordered (from China) not knowing what to do.

I've also read Taeian Clark's articles that if I stop Test and stop Fin and just go with 300mg/wk Deca for six weeks it's hair safe. No idea what to do with this stuff.
 
For me NPP was simply so much better.

Strength, gains, recovery, mental and libido - no hair thinning, no acne, no oily face, no shrinking balls.

It's a fucking awesome compound, as long as it's legit; not some UGL sending you fucking tren.

Only when combining test 500+ and NPP 500+, did I get awful mental sides but I'm an old fuck.

Unfortunately, I'm back on +trt & gh now as my NPP source(s) are too sketchy.
hey old timer how did you not notice and ball shrink on npp shit thats why i use eq instead of nandro now
 
I picked up a kit of Nandrolone to aid me in my recovery from a rotator cuff injury from dropping my motorcycle. I'm over 50 yo and already on 100mg/wk TRT plus I take 1mg Finasteride.

JUST as I was getting ready to start my Nandrolone I read where Deca along with Fin will absolutely destroy hair. So, I've been sitting on the Deca kit I ordered (from China) not knowing what to do.

I've also read Taeian Clark's articles that if I stop Test and stop Fin and just go with 300mg/wk Deca for six weeks it's hair safe. No idea what to do with this stuff.
I’ve done it up to 1.5g deca for 6-8 weeks works really well and no problems with erections or anything like that. I’ve also saw my hairline improves in those 6 weeks I don’t have a hair loss problem but my hair was more thick (I use testosterone for years upon years so maybe I haven’t noticed enough)
 
I’ve done it up to 1.5g deca for 6-8 weeks works really well and no problems with erections or anything like that. I’ve also saw my hairline improves in those 6 weeks I don’t have a hair loss problem but my hair was more thick (I use testosterone for years upon years so maybe I haven’t noticed enough)
Thank you. What was your Test to Deca ratio? I was thinking just Deca at 300 - 400mg/week for 6 weeks in-line with Taeian Clark's theory
 
Thank you. What was your Test to Deca ratio? I was thinking just Deca at 300 - 400mg/week for 6 weeks in-line with Taeian Clark's theory
It was just deca. And was excellent mood wise libido wise , cardio ability was excellent better that testosterone cause water weight and blood pressure was less. I was lean and growing nice. My skin was kinda thick and a little blurry but n it in a bad way it was from collagen synthesis. Recovery was excellent and strength gains were consistent through the blast and mass gains.
Maybe strength gains for me was due to joint pain issues for me which nandrolone alleviates each time I use it.
 
Wow, and then you went back to TRT?
Did you cycle the Deca again?
Back to TRT yeah. Had bloods also some weeks after everything in check.
Would I do it again ? Probably yeah but I also feel very safe just raise or lower my testosterone and GH.
I haven’t used it again this way.
I like to keep my testosterone 250-750mg all year round along with GH 5iu. That has improved my body composition along the years.
If want to add some more lbm I would feel safer just add 200mg of deca and 20mg of dbol that would give me very good results.
But i expirament with it and deca only works very good you can add tons of lbm with it.
 
Do you know where I can get a Deca test kit to make sure my stuff is real and accurately dosed? I also picked up some T-Enanthate which I'd like to test.

Before anyone flames me for not using a trusted supplier here ... I got this stuff a year ago from a supplier from whom my wife was getting her Terzepatide.
 
It's amazing how what works for one person doesn't for another.
Anyway, my knowledge is that nandrolone converts to dhn not dht. Proscar/ finasteride is anti dht. Both are good for the hair on ur head but not on the face or body.
 
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