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Now BB is the bad guy. That's a new one. It will be added to the list with EO. BB is fine, EO is fine. Don't start another bullshit theory that has no evidence behind it. I started a conversation to the contrary about EO some time ago, and no one has managed to tell me why EO is bad. As long as it's used in pharma, it's fine. BB also.

If I were a steroid user (I am), I would be more concerned about the drug that I'm taking and my lifestyle than if it has 25% BB.

Don't praise yourself so much. Anyone, and I mean literally anyone, can brew. Just follow some steps and rules. For someone who has never done it, it might sound like you put a man on Mars, but it's no big deal.

For example, someone who didn't know anything about brewing last year is now running a UGL. It's too simple. It shouldn't be that way, but it is.

For your buyers and other UGL buyers, you look like a scientist, but it's just mixing some stuff and filtering it, in short.

You don't need a significant amount of money nor special connections to start brewing for yourself and not pay $40 for a bottle of test when you can make that for $5. With $500, you can buy the necessary equipment to start brewing and test raws to take a bottle of test for 2 years.

I'm saying this because I have seen you are overexcited in several posts about what you made. That doesn't inspire confidence that you know what you are doing. It screams, "I somehow managed to make something."

Be more professional in every regard. Or not. It's your image, how you want to be perceived.
Bro its just the unhealthiest part of it, i didnt said its bad. I dont say EO is bad. But its better to reduce it as much as possible. I mean it would be super easy to just take 30% BB and it didnt crashes even in Antarctica. Its just in comparison bad to for example some maximum neutral Oil like Mig812N. You want as much of this and as little as possible of the others.

Its overrated anyway, sure. I just want to create a really good product, thats highly optimized, once this meatheads made me go into brewing. And no, its not too simple. Theres a ton of work. Its simple to make some bathtub brewings. But its not even simple to get Mig812N, i mean not MCT, not Mig812. I mean the Pharmaversion and that not to your home adress and not paid with a bankaccount on your name. Its not easy. Its easy to get caught, its easy to make this all non sterile and non effective. But if you want to make this big, qualitative and successfull, thats hell of a work. ask @Venom Lab he knows a bit what ive build here. Thats not "someone who had no idea one year ago and now runs an UGL".

And no. 500$ brings you absolutely nowhere. 1 of the 5L Erlenmeyerkolbens that im brewing in, cost you 300$, another 600$ for a magnetmixer. The 45 filters costs 250$ dollars, the 22 filters the same. You need a vacuum pump, a distribution mashine. Stopers, Gummies, branded caps. A labelprinter, or even labels ordered online for what i have now? 35 products? Were at easily 10k now, maybe more. And then you need to get raws. Ask @Venom Lab or @dinfar1337 how easy it is to get raws.... The good sources will not sell you under 20k minimum order. And they dont have everything, you have like 2-3 of them. Then Peptides, HGH. Ah i forgot Airfiltration, you need under 1-2 ug/m3 or you need a flowhood. Thats another 1000$ you have here. If your air is not sterile, so isnt your products. Also you need a place to do it. Your home is surely not an option. Depending on your country, surely several thousands to move in, make it all perfectly clean or renovate it to make it this way. Followed by monthly costs. Of course best would be not on your name. Costs extra too, if you find a way to even do it.

Youre right tho, i should be more professional and im working on it. And i made a good progress, everyone here saw my beginnings and respect what ive achieved so far.

But speaking it down, like everyone with 500$ can do it, what ive done, is totally bullshit. You dont even get the basics for it and surely not raws with 98% with it. Especially not for a full product line. And also if you even have it all, you have to be still a fancy motherfucker, whos willing wo manage a shop, answering 500 messages a day, cook this all, pack this all and then building up warehouses with people who run them, get paid aswell and figure out, how you exactly send packages to all Europe, without getting busted and without buying them on your name.

Also regarding knowledge, ive spent nights and nights talking to all the brewers, to Venom, to Dinfar, to Medi, Akra, other guys aswell. I really took my time and learned everything. For me its super interesting and once started, i wanted to know everything. I can confidently say, that i did my homework. Theres not a single negative review for my products on Meso. Not one. Quite the other way arround, people love it. No pip, no reactions. Sterile, confirmed from Janoshik.

So bitch please.

Building up an UGL on this scale, is not just 500$ and everyone can do it. Why youre not doing one first of all? Whats stopping you? Not even joking, theres some nice reward if you establish one.
 
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And regarding EO, funny that nobody could explain you this. I can. Also for BB.

EO is in general widely used in Pharma, yes. Mostly because its much cheaper then Mig812N, thats the sole reason. Also that EO is a co-solubility factor. It solves substances very good. Thats why the EO+Castor Mix is so popular. Castor is nice, but thick and cannot solute so good, EO is the other side. They work good together in all regards, achieving properties like Mig812N closely, for a fraction of the price. *Tren looks super golden hihi*.

But Castor, aswell as EO can cause allergic reactions and some people have higher inflammation because of EO. Even tho considered extremely tolerable, thats not for everyone. I took Medi products for many years and i belong to the people who are tolerating EO very well. But against both EO and Castor, people could react allergic. This is highly unlikely with Mig812N, which is considered the most neutral Carrier oil of all. Dont mix it up with MCT or Mig812. The N stands for Pharmagrade which makes all the difference. Hard do get it anonymously and expensive on top.

For BB its pretty simple. Its a solving-agent. Only used to solve active ingredient in the solution. In high concentration it can create lumps, swelling, inflammation and allergic reactions. Its necessarry, yes. But you want it as low as possible. With carrier compounds like EO + Castor, or Mig812N you have already good solubility, allowing you to reduce the proportion, which is just nice to have. Surely you dont have to have the least amount of it, thats possible to make it stable. But a brewer that wants the best possible product and that likes to try around, thats surely a goal to achieve.
 
And regarding EO, funny that nobody could explain you this. I can. Also for BB.

EO is in general widely used in Pharma, yes. Mostly because its much cheaper then Mig812N, thats the sole reason. Also that EO is a co-solubility factor. It solves substances very good. Thats why the EO+Castor Mix is so popular. Castor is nice, but thick and cannot solute so good, EO is the other side. They work good together in all regards, achieving properties like Mig812N closely, for a fraction of the price. *Tren looks super golden hihi*.

But Castor, aswell as EO can cause allergic reactions and some people have higher inflammation because of EO. Even tho considered extremely tolerable, thats not for everyone. I took Medi products for many years and i belong to the people who are tolerating EO very well. But against both EO and Castor, people could react allergic. This is highly unlikely with Mig812N, which is considered the most neutral Carrier oil of all. Dont mix it up with MCT or Mig812. The N stands for Pharmagrade which makes all the difference. Hard do get it anonymously and expensive on top.

For BB its pretty simple. Its a solving-agent. Only used to solve active ingredient in the solution. In high concentration it can create lumps, swelling, inflammation and allergic reactions. Its necessarry, yes. But you want it as low as possible. With carrier compounds like EO + Castor, or Mig812N you have already good solubility, allowing you to reduce the proportion, which is just nice to have. Surely you dont have to have the least amount of it, thats possible to make it stable. But a brewer that wants the best possible product and that likes to try around, thats surely a goal to achieve.
You know I like you dude but this post is highly incorrect on so many levels :)
I'll be gentle tho, promise.


First of all MCT is not the most neutral carrier oil.

Second of all EO is not widely used in pharmaceutical settings.

Third BB is widely used in pharmaceutical settings.

Forth castor has the second highest solubility properties after MCT and with short ester or no ester products it is even superior of MCT.

Fifth Bayer use up to 50% of BB in their Nebido product and 35% if I remember correctly in testoviron and rimobolan.
Do you think they don't have like multiple studies on BB and the effect it has, as a pharmaceutical company or you think they leave it to chances and get sued to hell later down the road?

Sixth I would not call 42/45€/liter expensive and we both know it's readily available in Europe for us.
The only difference between any mig812 is made by the CoA of the oil and how accredited is the lab that performs the analysis (meaning can we trust the CoA?).

Fargron doesn't even call his MCT mig812 and it still has a slightly better CoA then Caelo mig812N on almost every batches.

You still got a lot to learn (as we all do) surely you could teach us all a tons on logistics, sheer will, OpSec and many other things, however on the brewing and technicality of many things related to it... I would be just more careful on what you write as facts/universal truth :)

Love ya
 
He said some things that I would say. I could add more to that, but it doesn't matter.


I said that with $500, a normal person could start homebrewing and have enough money to make around 100 vials of test. It's that easy and cheap if you take into consideration that a bottle is sold for $35-40 (locally probably more). You don't need much money, connections, or a college degree.
Two hours are enough to spend on this for minimum information to get the job done. This task is that simple.
Not to start a UGL and sell in the whole of Europe. He could be a local dealer if he wants.
I can list everything with prices and with 500$(more or less) you get this job done at a smaller size for personal use.

Why don't I start a UGL? When I was younger, it crossed my mind, but now I'm too old. Too much to lose if I get caught. I'm happy with what I have now. It's not much; I'm far from rich, but I live peacefully.

I'm giving you advice, and don't take this as something against you.
Set an amount of money that you want to make from this, then get out.
Eventually, everyone gets caught, especially if you get big, and you will become big if you do your job right, then you will become a target.
Somewhere, someone will make a mistake no matter how carefully you work. Get in and out of this as quickly as possible.
What can I say? I see that you are overly proud of yourself, but there's a saying that a fish that doesn't open its mouth doesn't get caught.

Put your head down.

Best of luck!
 
You know I like you dude but this post is highly incorrect on so many levels :)
I'll be gentle tho, promise.


First of all MCT is not the most neutral carrier oil.

Second of all EO is not widely used in pharmaceutical settings.

Third BB is widely used in pharmaceutical settings.

Forth castor has the second highest solubility properties after MCT and with short ester or no ester products it is even superior of MCT.

Fifth Bayer use up to 50% of BB in their Nebido product and 35% if I remember correctly in testoviron and rimobolan.
Do you think they don't have like multiple studies on BB and the effect it has, as a pharmaceutical company or you think they leave it to chances and get sued to hell later down the road?

Sixth I would not call 42/45€/liter expensive and we both know it's readily available in Europe for us.
The only difference between any mig812 is made by the CoA of the oil and how accredited is the lab that performs the analysis (meaning can we trust the CoA?).

Fargron doesn't even call his MCT mig812 and it still has a slightly better CoA then Caelo mig812N on almost every batches.

You still got a lot to learn (as we all do) surely you could teach us all a tons on logistics, sheer will, OpSec and many other things, however on the brewing and technicality of many things related to it... I would be just more careful on what you write as facts/universal truth :)

Love ya
theres alot of text and i have +50 messages to look into think venom answered everything!


what i like about both of you guys is that you're willing to go into discussion. many many many ugls on this platform outright refuse to be transparent.
 

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