Blood work including IGF on PD's Greys

[fodsod]

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Looks like you used to compete. Since you've done heavy cycles of hgh previously, why are you messing with hgh now. You wanna have thick waist, weird body proportion ? If I were you, I would cycle on and off mast, anavar, eq along with trt. Btw your baseline igf is perfect at 180 for a 40 year old.

Let me just say that everyone is different. Not everyone ends up with Palumboism or looking like a thick waisted freak. I am very aware of the negatives that come with the drugs we all use and take every precaution not to destroy the look I've worked so hard to sculpt.

I am currently training to pursue my IFBB pro card via the NPC Nationals 40+ Masters division in 2017 simply as a personal pursuit since I walked away from my pro opportunity for personal reasons back when I positioned to achieve that goal. Thanks for the input but I got this bro.

 

[Wunderpus]

Let me just say that everyone is different. Not everyone ends up with Palumboism or looking like a thick waisted freak. I am very aware of the negatives that come with the drugs we all use and take every precaution not to destroy the look I've worked so hard to sculpt.

I am currently training to pursue my IFBB pro card via the NPC Nationals 40+ Masters division in 2017 simply as a personal pursuit since I walked away from my pro opportunity for personal reasons back when I positioned to achieve that goal. Thanks for the input but I got this bro.

I think it has a lot to do with how many IGF-1 receptors you have within your large intestine. Also, yes, luck and not going TOO far with certain drugs for TOOOO long....

 

[Dr JIM]

How is that a cruise at 2000 test?

While it may seem intuitive to suspect the doses used for AAS CYCLING and "AAS CRUISING" are different (and they should be VERY different) for many they are no more than justification to continue the use of anabolic agents in HIGH quantities, somehow believing changing the name will diminish the adverse effects that WILL come in due course.

I can only hope those fellas are being followed by a qualified HCP bc the risk of using AAS in such a manor are very much CUMULATIVE IME.

For example should one meet, treat or "read" about a few patients with "cardiomyopathy" you'll KNOW what I'm talking about. Make no mistake about it, we are only gonna get ONE BODY and you best take care of it!

 

[fodsod]

How is that a cruise at 2000 test?

Well honestly, I was running 1cc of the test E per week and had no idea my levels were that high. I would not consider 1900+ T levels a cruise as my Gp wants it at 1200 or below. That's what I was shooting for but my supplier runs his stuff pretty hot so obviously 1/2cc per week would have been way to go.

Both my Test and E2 were way elevated but I felt fine so just goes to show that blood work is a necessary tool to ensure you really know what's going on inside.

 

[benchyourmom]

Well honestly, I was running 1cc of the test E per week and had no idea my levels were that high. I would not consider 1900+ T levels a cruise as my Gp wants it at 1200 or below. That's what I was shooting for but my supplier runs his stuff pretty hot so obviously 1/2cc per week would have been way to go.

Both my Test and E2 were way elevated but I felt fine so just goes to show that blood work is a necessary tool to ensure you really know what's going on inside.

Wise words for the newbies!

 

[Gigem46]

Thanks for sharing. My results on greys are posted somewhere on PDs thread. I had higher IGF in half as many ius. It seems like IGF numbers depend a lot more on your response than say test numbers.

 

[benchyourmom]

Thanks for sharing. My results on greys are posted somewhere on PDs thread. I had higher IGF in half as many ius. It seems like IGF numbers depend a lot more on your response than say test numbers.

It's the same with Test... 2 people running the same exact gear and amount can get 2 totally different numbers.

 

[TorroXL]

Ok, so I was getting ready for my annual physical with my GP and was TRT cruising for about a month on 250mg/week of Test E from my home brew source (good friend that is a chemist) and I've been running "The Grey Tops" from PD for almost 5 months at 5iu ED taken all at once at night before bed.

I was running no AI thinking I wouldn't need it at that low of a dose but obviously I was wrong and have since broke out the Letro to smack that Estro down. I'm in my 40's and my IGF-1 level prior to this run was 180. Now at 361 I'm OK with that considering the price point.

Anyway, I figured I'd share the results. I'm going to add in some MK677 at 30mg ED for a month and test again to see what happens before I take a break from the HGH. I'll post that in this thread when I get it back.

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Was your test dose split? Or one injection a week?

 

[fodsod]

Was your test dose split? Or one injection a week?

1 cc a week on Monday.

 

[Gigem46]

It's the same with Test... 2 people running the same exact gear and amount can get 2 totally different numbers.

You're right. Not sure why I was thinking that.

 

[TorroXL]

1 cc a week on Monday.

Thanks brother!

 

[fodsod]

I'll be pulling bloods again next week as I come to an end of this run of GH and I'll be able to report if mk677 actually pushed my IGF levels up or not.

I'll be looking at E2 to see if I've got my shit back to normal and I'll be including prolactin also because it sure feels like it's also elevated.

 

[fodsod]

OK guys as promised here's the follow up blood work from 35 days later than my last one.

Notes:
My E2 levels were WAY out in the first test and I was experiencing really bad sides so I came off everything but GH and MK677. No AAS at all for over a month (it's really not that bad).

I ran Letro then Adex to bottom out my E2 in order to reset everything. You can see my T levels went from 1960 to 365 in 35 days so you can see the need for TRT. My E2 levels did as predicted and bottomed out as planned. I'm now back to my normal self and cruising at 250mg/ week until after the holidays and then it's back to the grind.

Interesting findings: I was running PD's Grey tops at 5iu ED at night and had an IGF level of 361 on the first test. I added MK-677 at 30mg in the morning ED and maintained the 5ius ED at night and my IGF went up to 434 (increase of +70) in 35 days.

The batch of PD's GH used was the same stuff I got all at once and had been using for the last 5 months. So MK-677 seems to actually work in some capacity without needing to take days off, use it for 6 months before you get results or use multiple doses throughout the day as some would have you believe.

I tested for prolactin also because I had a knot under my right nipple that wouldn't go away and I assumed it was a response to a prolactin issue from the GH and MK-677 since my E2 levels would be toast at that point. Looks like my prolactin was OK at 7.5 BUT the knot did not start to dissipate until I started running Caber last week and now it's almost gone after 3 doses. Perhaps for me, prolactin at 7.5 is too high.

Enjoy and feel free to bro science speculate, learn from my laziness and comment.

 

[Wunderpus]

OK guys as promised here's the follow up blood work from 35 days later than my last one.

Notes:
My E2 levels were WAY out in the first test and I was experiencing really bad sides so I came off everything but GH and MK677. No AAS at all for over a month (it's really not that bad).

I ran Letro then Adex to bottom out my E2 in order to reset everything. You can see my T levels went from 1960 to 365 in 35 days so you can see the need for TRT. My E2 levels did as predicted and bottomed out as planned. I'm now back to my normal self and cruising at 250mg/ week until after the holidays and then it's back to the grind.

Interesting findings: I was running PD's Grey tops at 5iu ED at night and had an IGF level of 361 on the first test. I added MK-677 at 30mg in the morning ED and maintained the 5ius ED at night and my IGF went up to 434 (increase of +70) in 35 days.

The batch of PD's GH used was the same stuff I got all at once and had been using for the last 5 months. So MK-677 seems to actually work in some capacity without needing to take days off, use it for 6 months before you get results or use multiple doses throughout the day as some would have you believe.

I tested for prolactin also because I had a knot under my right nipple that wouldn't go away and I assumed it was a response to a prolactin issue from the GH and MK-677 since my E2 levels would be toast at that point. Looks like my prolactin was OK at 7.5 BUT the knot did not start to dissipate until I started running Caber last week and now it's almost gone after 3 doses. Perhaps for me, prolactin at 7.5 is too high.

Enjoy and feel free to bro science speculate, learn from my laziness and comment.

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Where are you getting the MK-677 from? Looks like it's a nice help... Any help with dosing and usage? Know NOTHING about it.

 

[fodsod]

Where are you getting the MK-677 from? Looks like it's a nice help... Any help with dosing and usage? Know NOTHING about it.

Pm in bound for you bro with some info.

 

[J007]

Cheers @fodsod on the great thread and glad to see your positive results, thanks for sharing!
I'll be posting a similar thread soon using TheGreyTops.
If don't mind my asking, where did you get the MK-677?