Bloods on a cruise

[Mayne]

I promised I'd do bloods for SQS on my cycle but couldn't so I did on cruise either way any thoughts or anything out of order?

Hb 168 g/l (140-180)
HCT 0.500 l/l (0.40-0.54)
Creatinine 143.54 umol/l (80-133)
AST 79.29 U/l (2-40)
ALT 81.29 U/l (2-40)
Total Cholesterol 4.26 mmol/l (3,60-6,00)
HDL 1.32 mmol/l (0,90-3.50)
LDL 1.84 mmol/l (1,3-4)
Testosteron >15 ng/ml (2.5-8.36)

Currently on 150 mg test e e6d. 16 mg salbutamol (albuterol) 4x4 a day. 1 mg ketotifen prebed. 5 g creatine, 3 g beta alanine, magnesium and taurine. Fish oil, multi vitamin. Aromasin 6 mg eod.

Both liver enzymes look a lil out of order but I attributed it to heavy chest/back workout day before (less than 24 hours) and a bit less than usual water (at least 1 liter less or more).

Labs done a month after 6 month blast of dbol (1st 6 weeks), test (24 weeks), deca (16 weeks), anavar (10 weeks). HDL mid cycle was 0.76 and HCT 0.51 (no fish oil used) and now look back to normal but my liver values make me wonder whether I should begin a small tryout blast of superdrol for 1 month and trt dose of testosterone.

 

[Marcus]

I would definitely wait based on your current liver enzyme levels. Give your body some time to heal man.

Good T levels though! High for a cruise although you tested at peak levels and not nadir. And it's hard to tell how out of range you are with capped BW

 

[Mayne]

Pardon me, I did test it nearly 42 hours after pin only my workout which could have influenced my AST/ALT was less than 24 hours before it. My blast may begin a month later as I would like to add MK6 to my cruise to see it's benefit on it's own and add superdrol at 2 month for a mini blast. My test levels came higher as expected but I really wanted an exact number so I can confirm if SQS is underdosed or not but lab didn't have that option and I have used all test e I had from them now

 

[XmadXscientist]

A heavy chest and back day should have virtually zero effect of your liver enzymes which are double the normal range. Are you using large amount of Advil or aspirin? Those can elevate them but double is a lot. I would stay away from superdrol until your liver enzymes have been normal for 6+ weeks, that's about the timeframe it takes for all the cells in your liver to replace themselves. Maybe hit up something me tudca a couple days in a row them milk thistle for a month? I'm a medical scientist and I would be exploring what's stressing my liver if I were you.

 

[Mayne]

No offense but how can a med scientist claim exercise does not change liver values
Muscular exercise can cause highly pathological liver function tests in healthy men
And I have considered tudca or other liver supplements if my bilirubin and ggt come high too

 

[G2Ready]

Ast and alt isn't that high... pound some water my guy --

 

[Burrr]

You gotta consider that all of us do bloods after heavy workouts and don't get liver numbers like that.

Could the albuterol be hepatoxic?

 

[Dr JIM]

I promised I'd do bloods for SQS on my cycle but couldn't so I did on cruise either way any thoughts or anything out of order?

Hb 168 g/l (140-180)
HCT 0.500 l/l (0.40-0.54)
Creatinine 143.54 umol/l (80-133)
AST 79.29 U/l (2-40)
ALT 81.29 U/l (2-40)
Total Cholesterol 4.26 mmol/l (3,60-6,00)
HDL 1.32 mmol/l (0,90-3.50)
LDL 1.84 mmol/l (1,3-4)
Testosteron >15 ng/ml (2.5-8.36)

Currently on 150 mg test e e6d. 16 mg salbutamol (albuterol) 4x4 a day. 1 mg ketotifen prebed. 5 g creatine, 3 g beta alanine, magnesium and taurine. Fish oil, multi vitamin. Aromasin 6 mg eod.

Both liver enzymes look a lil out of order but I attributed it to heavy chest/back workout day before (less than 24 hours) and a bit less than usual water (at least 1 liter less or more).

Labs done a month after 6 month blast of dbol (1st 6 weeks), test (24 weeks), deca (16 weeks), anavar (10 weeks). HDL mid cycle was 0.76 and HCT 0.51 (no fish oil used) and now look back to normal but my liver values make me wonder whether I should begin a small tryout blast of superdrol for 1 month and trt dose of testosterone.

Post a COPY of the original labs.

 

[Dr JIM]

No offense but how can a med scientist claim exercise does not change liver values
Muscular exercise can cause highly pathological liver function tests in healthy men
And I have considered tudca or other liver supplements if my bilirubin and ggt come high too

Yes aggressive exercise, esp in novices, may elevate LFTs but assuming such changes are the result of exercise is not a wise decision since you're also running a "SIX MONTH BLAST OF D-Bol".

Sure it's gotta be that chest work out, lol!

Nonetheless a CPK and bilirubin level can help differentiate the etiology.

 

[Dr JIM]

And I have considered tudca or other liver supplements if my bilirubin and ggt come high too

Define "to high", before beginning a supplement that won't do squat, less a wallet biopsy.

 

[Marcus]

Yes aggressive exercise, esp in novices, may elevate LFTs but assuming such changes are the result of exercise is not a wise decision since you're also running a "SIX MONTH BLAST OF D-Bol".

Sure it's gotta be that chest work out, lol!

Nonetheless a CPK and bilirubin level can help differentiate the etiology.

Ahhh fuck, don't know how I missed that. No wonder you enzymes are raised so much OP. Why would you do a 6 month dbol run? And why would you even consider doing superdrol after that?! Everything about this seems ridiculous man

 

[Mayne]

Doc I like you my man but sometimes your reading comprehension makes me wonder if you really have that PHD or MD no offense.

Labs done a month after 6 month blast of dbol (1st 6 weeks), test (24 weeks), deca (16 weeks), anavar (10 weeks).

On the subject of exercise I have read especially experienced athletes cause far more increase due to vigorous exercise, muscle mass etc but correct me if the info I have read is incorrect.

No defining on my part I am just waiting on my bloods to check my bilirubin and ggt not sure what was unclear in the sentence you quoted

My labs are in a language you won't understand but if you would like me to I can send you a copy in a pm.

Not sure if that is correct @Burrr as I was advised to do it after I had rested for 48 hours but I couldn't fit in my schedule to do it otherwise I would have had no more SQS test e which was my main idea testing. Now don't understand me wrong cause it could be liver issue hence why I am doing the said above labs as soon as I can to check that out... In the mean time I have done plenty of reading that confirms @G2Ready comment, even Bill Roberts said 2-3 times above normal range is possible due to exercise, so did a q&a I read on ncbi too

 

[Mayne]

Ahhh fuck, don't know how I missed that. No wonder you enzymes are raised so much OP. Why would you do a 6 month dbol run? And why would you even consider doing superdrol after that?! Everything about this seems ridiculous man

Doc must have just woken up calm down and read my op lol thank you for your concern tho I am genuinely not offending anyone I hope. It could have been my cycle format

 

[Marcus]

Doc must have just woken up calm down and read my op lol thank you for your concern tho I am genuinely not offending anyone I hope. It could have been my cycle format

I'm perfectly calm man, he is saying and I agree that your enzymes are raised because you just came off a 6 month dbol blast. Do you understand the kind of stress that puts on your liver? It doesn't just bounce back immediately. That is a longggg long run on orals man!

That is the reason your enzymes are still elevated. And you definitely should not do sdrol for a bit. You're gonna end up wth some kind of hepatic issue

 

[Mayne]

I'm perfectly calm man, he is saying and I agree that your enzymes are raised because you just came off a 6 month dbol blast. Do you understand the kind of stress that puts on your liver? It doesn't just bounce back immediately. That is a longggg long run on orals man!

That is the reason your enzymes are still elevated. And you definitely should not do sdrol for a bit. You're gonna end up wth some kind of hepatic issue

LOL dude I never ran dbol for more than 6 weeks like I clearly said in the op (1st 6 weeks) of my 6 month blast I came off of anavar rather recently tho

 

[trying to get big]

I actually impressed that your enzyme levels aren't higher......

 

[Mayne]

I actually impressed that your enzyme levels aren't higher......

For what particular reason is that so now

 

[trying to get big]

For what particular reason is that so now

I just skimmed over the thread but what I caught was you just stopped a 6month run of dbol. That's a good amount of time Im pretty sure my levels would be much higher then yours

 

[Mayne]

I just skimmed over the thread but what I caught was you just stopped a 6month run of dbol. That's a good amount of time Im pretty sure my levels would be much higher then yours

No doubt mine would be higher than mine too if that were true lol

 

[trying to get big]

No doubt mine would be higher than mine too if that were true lol

Okay I looked it over again, I thought you ran dbol for six weeks I'm at work just glancing.

Carry on good sir