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Oh in not saying drop a class that's dumb in my opinion, you should walk in with as much muscle as your frame should be able to support but if you do that at 10% BF as opposed to 20% your going to lift more pound for pound. Unless yo are trying to set records and go somewhere with it I wouldn't worry about getting murdered out there. I haven't competed but I stood in a friends corner and the knowledge that gets passed around behind the scenes and literally everyone was encouraging everyone at this comp the guy that's lifting 3x be squat is giving tips to my friend who's squatting only a little over half of what he is in the same weight class. It's the community that is what makes it awesome just as it is here. At least in Canada that's how it is but we a friendly fucks most of the time (unless say the Boston Bruins have an upset win over the Canucks in game 7 of the finals in the Stanley cup then we will wreck the city :oops: sorry eh)
 
I wouldnt think any PL program would be good while cutting, but ive never cut before. And im still fairly new to it all. I just figured out of any PL template the volume there would be better than any 3x5 or 5x5 system or 5/3/1. Like I said though, im an outsider when it comes to it. Most of my knowledge of the program comes from you.

PL programming can actually be very good for cutting. Remember, intensity (% of 1RM) is more important for preserving muscle mass than volume so any powerlifting template with low moderate to low volume and higher intensity will help preserving muscle mass during a cut. You won't be making the same strength gains but the fact that you're stimulating muscle fibers with higher intensity and eating enough protein while cutting will work towards preserving what you gained.

I think because of where i started at. Remember in july / august I had lost a lot muscle from being sick.

Also the bf measure I use is tape test (we have to do it for work). So it does height / weight and measures neck and abdomen. If your neck grows more than your abdomen then you went down. I need to get a caliper done again but the gym here lost theres and I havent bought any.

I know you're in east bumblefuck but is there anywhere you can go for a bodpod or dexa scan where you're at? I think the cost is roughly $80-120 but you'll get an extremely accurate measure of body fat, muscle mass, body fat %, etc which can help you tighten up your diet more and track progress body composition wise easier.

That is my biggest fear is that at my weight im gonna get murdered by the big boys. MP weighs 40 lbs less and can lift more. But i think I would have to drop so much weight to make a lesser class it wouldnt be worth it.

When competing, your FIRST and PRIMARY competiton is yourself. That is, above all, you are competing against yourself to set PRs relative to what you've done in the gym, past competitons, etc.

After yourself, your competiton is the next guy.

I went to a PL meet this last weekend to see two forum friends lift. I saw a 242lb lifter open his squats with 240lbs. I saw a 220lb lifter open bench with 165lbs. I saw a 70yo man missing a 470lb 2nd pull only to come back on his 3rd attempt and get 480lbs. I saw a shirted bencher miss all 3 of his 725lb bench attempts and bomb out of the competiton bc of that. My point is ppl are all over the map. You cannot let your fears of of being #1 hold you back or stop you from doing what you want to do.

MP is an amazing lifter but you need to understand he's been training and competing for strength for many years. He has time under the bar over you. His weight is less but his CNS has been trained for longer and therefor it doesn't come as a surprise that he can lift more. I'm at 198 and we have a 165er on my other board who can bench and squat more than me and he's elite. It just motivates me to go harder. I can't get myself down over it bc the guy has been doing it for years and been relatively injury free whereas I've trained for a short period of time for this and am constantly battling injuries.

My final point:

At this past meet I was at a few days ago, there was a mentally challenged kid (I think he had multiple issues like autism and soemthing else) judging from the way he walked and had to be led around the gym we were in. He was pretty young, maybe late teens or early 20s, and he missed a 95lb bench. Nobody judged him, nobody ridiculed him, and nobody compared themselves to him. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, from the judges, to the other competitors, to the people watching from the stands stood and gave the kid a round of applause like no other lifter got that day. Point is, when you step on the platform you become a brother to evey other lifter there. Don't worry about your total compared to theirs bc they don't care. It's a big family once you strap on that singlet.
 
I know you're in east bumblefuck but is there anywhere you can go for a bodpod or dexa scan where you're at? I think the cost is roughly $80-120 but you'll get an extremely accurate measure of body fat, muscle mass, body fat %, etc which can help you tighten up your diet more and track progress body composition wise easier.

Ill check but I doubt it. I havent even seen a gym here in this country except the one's associated with my job. I dont think the residents here care too much about fitness.

When competing, your FIRST and PRIMARY competiton is yourself. That is, above all, you are competing against yourself to set PRs relative to what you've done in the gym, past competitons, etc.

After yourself, your competiton is the next guy.

I know its true, but im just competitive. Even when I see the lifts on this site I want to one up everyone. I still cheer for everyone here, but it drives me to go harder like you said.

Point is, when you step on the platform you become a brother to evey other lifter there. Don't worry about your total compared to theirs bc they don't care.

Doc, youre underestimating how much of an asshole I am. I cant see people cheering for me. Remember, how I am on here is me in real life. Probably turned down a little.


It's a big family once you strap on that singlet.

Do I HAVE to wear the singlet? :oops::(
 
Ill check but I doubt it. I havent even seen a gym here in this country except the one's associated with my job. I dont think the residents here care too much about fitness.



I know its true, but im just competitive. Even when I see the lifts on this site I want to one up everyone. I still cheer for everyone here, but it drives me to go harder like you said.



Doc, youre underestimating how much of an asshole I am. I cant see people cheering for me. Remember, how I am on here is me in real life. Probably turned down a little.




Do I HAVE to wear the singlet? :oops::(

I am 100% convinced the singlet it for the fans sake at the meets cause it's hiding nothing lol. Compitetion is always a good thing I wouldn't be as strong as I am if I never switched gyms to one where people were stronger then me agiain. If you are the strongest man in the room go to a different room and find a different gym so you can continue to grow, unless your Brian shaw then be Brian shaw
 
Ill check but I doubt it. I havent even seen a gym here in this country except the one's associated with my job. I dont think the residents here care too much about fitness.


I know its true, but im just competitive. Even when I see the lifts on this site I want to one up everyone. I still cheer for everyone here, but it drives me to go harder like you said.

Same here. I am competitive to a fault. I realized though if I let it consume me my total will end up suffering bc of it which backfires lol. Let it drive you but not consume you.

Doc, youre underestimating how much of an asshole I am. I cant see people cheering for me. Remember, how I am on here is me in real life. Probably turned down a little.

Assholes get loving too. Just ask the girls I've been with :p

Do I HAVE to wear the singlet? :oops::([/QUOTE]

Yes. Insider tip: put a canteloupe in the front by your junk. The girls will be tripping over themselves trying to introduce themselves to you.
 
I am 100% convinced the singlet it for the fans sake at the meets cause it's hiding nothing lol. Compitetion is always a good thing I wouldn't be as strong as I am if I never switched gyms to one where people were stronger then me agiain. If you are the strongest man in the room go to a different room and find a different gym so you can continue to grow, unless your Brian shaw then be Brian shaw

I can agree with this. Earlier this year before I moved I switched gyms. In my 1st one I was one of the biggest / strongest. In the new one I was middle of the pack. Until I started PLing I ahd never worked so hard in my life.
 
Damn, I keep missing all these good threads.

Not to ruin the current topic of UW awesomeness but to address the original thread topic: I'm 6', 225lbs in the am, fairly lean (can see top 4 abs all the time) only working out 3 days a week, high intensity, no cardio, and no diet plan except the see food diet (see food, I eat it).

Jay, you already got some great feedback, just thought I'd offer my personal experience doing exclusively heavy shit.
 
Mariusz Pudzianowski is pretty lean for a strongman, granted he's a genetic freak but it just shows that the two (strength & aesthetics) Don't have to be exclusive
 
Mariusz Pudzianowski is pretty lean for a strongman, granted he's a genetic freak but it just shows that the two (strength & aesthetics) Don't have to be exclusive
Not a good example. If your familiar with mariusz he does 2 a days hypertrophy in the morning strength at night. He absolutely uses both systems. He was one of my favorites. Too bad he wasn't an American competitor
 
Not a good example. If your familiar with mariusz he does 2 a days hypertrophy in the morning strength at night. He absolutely uses both systems. He was one of my favorites. Too bad he wasn't an American competitor
He was amazing, I'm familiar with his training. I was trying to point out the fact that he was strong and lean but I see your point. How about Derek Poundstone? He was pretty lean for a strongman also
 
He was amazing, I'm familiar with his training. I was trying to point out the fact that he was strong and lean but I see your point. How about Derek Poundstone? He was pretty lean for a strongman also
Mariusz liked his candybars too
I actually would model my own physique after mariusz or poundstone. I mean as a goal. I think what they built was fantastic
 
I got to see Poundstone lift at my meet. He was in the AM session and I was PM. Sucks though bc he tore his quad on a squat attempt.
 
Its all about diet I know a guy who big number on in state. Started a x!ran diet dude lookas like a bb now.
 
I know just as many guys who train for strength that are just as lean or leaner than your average bb'ing oriented lifter, there are plenty of people like this out there.

It's not the training that causes you to lose definition, it's just that going up in scale weight usually helps with strength and cutting will often result in stagnating strength gains depending on where you are at in your development. Cutting isn't desirable if strength is your first priority unless it's necessary or to make weight for competition.

If you want definition and strength then simply have a period where you cut down to a bodyfat you are happy with or hold your bodyweight steady until you have leaned out a little bit and then continue growing.

A good strength routine will build muscle just as well as any routine. If you are recruiting and exhausting high threshold motor units and eating enough to grow, you will build muscle. The fact you don't have a day for biceps or abs isn't going to make a dramatic difference at all.

FWIW, I think the average physique would improve 10 fold if more emphasis was put on strength or if the lifter followed a basic strength routine for a while.
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I agree 100%. Take Dan Green for example. Perfect balance of strength and conditioning in my eyes. I dont think you have to trade off. That's awesome to hear PLing rejuvenated your training. Its all about enjoying yourself and the workouts. You can definitely reach the leanness you're looking for while maintaining strength. As weighted mentioned, small cuts to your desired level of body-fat would be ideal. I believe training is a journey of self improvement so its important to be happy with your physique and its functionality too! You can do it brother, good luck.
 
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