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Boldenone is underrated.
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AlwaysHungry
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Deca with Masteron solves this problem but it’s a little taboo to go without test. Also nandrolone has a myriad of its own side effects.
AlwaysHungry
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Certainly it’s a key anabolic.
Full look is test tren mast GH and either EQ or Primo , not that you will not good look without it but it’s a key component in terms of look.
DonTesto
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It can be but not that big a deal honestly. Worse that can happen from having high e2 is ED, gyno, and mood swings. Actual big problem with test (and most AAS) is the blood pressure increase. Now that is what kills you.
DonTesto
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You can't really tell if you have high red blood count other than your cardiovascular capacity improves. The anxiety is from crashing your E2.
professionaldyel
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Test/NPP/EQ has been a staple cycle in the bodybuilding community until the "safer use" model of abusing primo came to be. Mast has only gotten popular because people in this space have bad spending habits along with John Jewett saying its a decent alternative - it isn't- we can see this very clearly with Todd Lee who is the ONLY person who actually uses mast as their main anabolic and he looks subpar with the amount of effort he puts in. He also built what he has with nandrolone and tren, not mast.
cap’nboldenone
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I’ve also heard people claim that EQ anxiety is from it depleting GABA, but I’m sensitive to mental sides and I’ve never noticed it so I’m not sure if it’s a real thing.
cap’nboldenone
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Test/Deca/EQ is the ultimate offseason blast if you can handle nandrolone.
Using mast as your main anabolic is great too if you want that weird lizard ballsack skin look that Todd Lee has instead of big muscles.
malomkarom
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Wanting to compete changes the picture somewhat, but then again, not me, rather people way smarter than me have asked this question before.
What are you gonna do for the next one to improve? Do another half a gram for every competition prep and bulk cycle? You're gonna be running Dallas dosages as an amateur pretty fast. If that's what it takes, go to a lower weight devision or find another obsession. I'm here all day too, no judging, sometimes wishes just aren't worth the trouble.
My honest opinnion is don't be silly and do more than anyone in the olympia top 5 just to barely be a pro. You are 23. Slow down. With 99 certainty there are things to improve for better hypertrophy than just raising the dose.
Just one important side-effect not visible on the bloodwork is your heart growing. Whoever you are, on grams that's gonna happen way too fast.
I can't remember recalling a single succsessful, still living pro that had to do gramS as an amateur. Not a single one. Especially not for a first competition. Most stories are 500 test and 20 var for 12 weeks and shit.
I understand and respect the grind and going for it anyways, I'm a stubborn fuck myself but that doesn't change the fact that this is just way too dangerous way too soon. A straight up McCarver story.
I had a stress induced heartattack at 24. Actually realizing you can die and the old ticky-tocky can very much say "fuck you I'm out" changed some things. I just can't look at it any other way than just don't do it.
I very much supported up and coming gymrats while still asking to lower doses but not bothering, now my tone has changed a lot.
There are risks most people blasting shit don't actually realize.
Genuinely, what are you gonna do if and when you get to the big stage and need an extra 5kg/10lbs for next year if you're already pushing gramS so plural at just 23? Gear is a ticking timebomb and the more you pin the faster it counts. You don't know where it's at now. You don't know when it blows up and you're cranking that fucker real hard.
Just slow down. You're 23. Bodybuilders carreer take up in the thirties. Eat, sleep, train repeat. It's 1 thing to blast a single gram and already pretty bad but multiple grams? No way it's needed. I refuse to believe a 23 year old needs that much to get to a 100kg.
There's a very visible and thick line between health and open bodybuilding.
You should push food, training and sleep, not gear. Gear helps you utilize the food to recover from the damage you do in training, mostly while you're asleep.
Gear is not the thing to push. It's the last thing you raise.
Overal.
I very highly doubt 620 miligrams of superdrol per year for a combined 6 weeks will do more damage than being on grams of shit indefinitely.
It shreds the liver and destroys lipids, sure. I would bet my life my lipids are better on the last day of each run followed by months of nothing than yours are when starting a cycle cause you think you've recovered enough.
Bodybuilding is unhealthy and that's it. Not much more to say about it.
If you know and accept the risks and won't go without it, you do your thing, I genuinely hope it's gonna be worth it in the end without any lasting damage I just can't bring my mind to acceptance.
If it was up to me, the olympia stage would look very different, as much as I appreciate the view, the size, detail, shape and science that goes into it, I'm a huge fan of bodybuilding and have been since the day I first stepped into a gym but I'd prefer people not dying to get half my left calf spread accross their bodies in a year or more.
I hope i'll never happen to any of you but all it takes is one serious health scare and you'll feel otherwise. The higher the dose is the sooner that day comes, and it most likely will. There's no arguing that.
Moulefruit
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Currently on Test / EQ / Tren A / Mast P for my contest prep and I’ve never looked so good, veins are everywhere, I’m full even with carbs depletion, cardio is easy
I love this shit
Dosage are per week : Test 1350mg / EQ 1350mg / Tren 300mg / Mast P 300mg
I love this shit
Dosage are per week : Test 1350mg / EQ 1350mg / Tren 300mg / Mast P 300mg
Eddie.
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Currently on Test / EQ / Tren A / Mast P for my contest prep and I’ve never looked so good, veins are everywhere, I’m full even with carbs depletion, cardio is easy
I love this shit
Dosage are per week : Test 1350mg / EQ 1350mg / Tren 300mg / Mast P 300mg
You look great bro, stack is awesome too. There are pros going all the way till the end of prep with EQ.
Moulefruit
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Thanks ! It was my first try with this stack, habitually I just stick with the classic Test / Mast / Tren, now I will continue to add EQ in main compound for every prep
malomkarom
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This need some correction as I calculated that with 10-20mg every day for 3 weeks. I did not take it every day and will not take it every day, you can basically half that dose to ~310mg for an entire year.
dinfar1337
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well no, ive build up to these dosages over 5 years.
i started pretty high the first 2 years just doing stupid shit.
but after that i started at 300mg test and build ontop of that.
which have led me to 1g test, 600mg primo and 200mg deca.
im not really adding more since my bloodwork is good and i grow insane on this. gonna replace primo with eq for upcoming cycle and see how i react to it.
if i could run 2g test year around with good bloodwork i would do that.
and i just had a heart mri from abusing free healthcare and lying my ass off to my doctor so i do check my heart with free ekgs, and scans.
and i would probably run higher if i could but my bloodwork starts to look like shit pretty fast so i would rather run what i can tolerate over a long time instead of doing a short blast and having to end the note on that.
but yes, if i could run 1g test instead of 500 while still being healthy i would do that to grow. if i can run 2g test instead of 1g to grow even better yes i would do that and so on.
my goal will never be absolute health, it will always be a fine line between growing as much as i can + having acceptable health. and if i end up dying at 40 or 50 i will be okay with that, since theres only 1 thing i wanna chase in life. but thats just my perspective and my personal beliefs.
it might very well change in the next 10 years or so, but im defiently the type who have to find out for myself even if someone tells me it straight up to my face lmao.
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Sounds like a great stack. How are you dealing with the EQ hunger? Reta or Tirz? I currently deploy low dose reta to curb food noise but feel i would have to crank up the dosage to combat the hunger I would get from running high EQ.Currently on Test / EQ / Tren A / Mast P for my contest prep and I’ve never looked so good, veins are everywhere, I’m full even with carbs depletion, cardio is easy
I love this shit
Dosage are per week : Test 1350mg / EQ 1350mg / Tren 300mg / Mast P 300mg
Moulefruit
Member
I have added reta since 4 weeks (my prep have started in june), I cannot say if EQ increased my hunger because my caloric deficit is so huge that’s normal to be hungry
AlwaysHungry
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You sound bitchy guessing my lipids and think your way of running steroids is healthier than other ways.
Just for reference my lipids they always be perfect even on 2g cycles of strong androgens , I don’t run orals I have a perfect diet and in fact I’m always surprised by how perfect my lipids are.
As far as other side effects of course my hematocrit gets higher and my BP gets higher but that’s about it.
dinfar1337
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its also my perception that running orals for 4-8 weeks is worse for your lipids and general bloodwork and health than a 24 week cycle of 2g of some androgens.
people who preach health shouldnt stay any inches near orals unless its omega 3 lmao.
DonTesto
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That's an interesting take. Not far feched considering how dbol and boldenone are so chemically similar and we've all heard how dbol makes people feel good too. Probably something similar happening with EQ.
professionaldyel
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I just hard disagree with this. You don't need to constantly progressively overload your dosages and I really don't know where this notion comes from besides the podcast bros that we all love listening to.
Androgen exposure length = more muscle. That's a grossly over-simplification but you can't argue against the fact that over the span of AAS use you should be getting better at something, whether that's diet, digestion, training, or recovery something SHOULD BE improving cycle after cycle therefore making your blast more effective. People absolutely use way too much and are above what they can actually properly utilize no doubt but EVENTUALLY that gap should narrow.
