Boosting estrogen

[cmK9s33]

Title is not a typo lol. I've been getting incredibly low estradiol results on bloodwork for almost two years now and it shows no signs of improving. I never use AI's. Last time I used an AI was probaly 3 years ago and it was 12.5mg of aromasin twice/wk for 2 weeks. Nothing since. My cruise dose (which I'm currently on) is 200mg of test enanthate, which is kind of high I realize. My latest round of bloodwork put me at
1484 ng/dl total test
407 pg/ml free test
6 pg/ml of estradiol (ultrasensitive LC/MS test)

I realize everyone's level of estradiol is going to be slightly different but this seems at an unhealthy level. It affects my joints to a degree (knees usually ache way more than they should), HDL is still ok at 41 but I've had it as high at 66 in the past while on cruise. My IGF is 75 after using 3-4iu HGH/day for 5 months. So something is amiss.

Any suggestions on normalizing it or things to investigate as to why it's so low? Some others have suggested just using more test but I would think there has to be a realistic limit as to what should be used on a cruise.

On a weird side note, I'm apparently super sensitive to prolactin/progesterone as I started to develop a bit of gyno behind my left nipple while using tren and deca earlier this year. I tested estrogen a week later and it was 14 pg/ml. So, pretty damn sure that was prolactin related.

 

[Jestopherson]

Can't help as to cause, but you could go old school. Slap on 5-10mg dbol for a bit and see if it helps.

Hows your stress levels?

Cortisol is fucking insane. I was in a car crash 3 days ago. The stress from dealing with insurance has already made me lose about 20% of my beard. That's on 400mg of mast.

 

[cmK9s33]

Can't help as to cause, but you could go old school. Slap on 5-10mg dbol for a bit and see if it helps.

Hows your stress levels?

Cortisol is fucking insane. I was in a car crash 3 days ago. The stress from dealing with insurance has already made me lose about 20% of my beard. That's on 400mg of mast.

Thanks man. I could give that a shot and see if it helps at all. It's not something I plan to do long term though. Might at least offer a little insight.

Stress? I mean, we're all stressed to a degree right. Can't say my life is any worse or better than anyone else's in that regard.

 

[Eman]

You're taking only test? Nothing else and nothing recently?

 

[cmK9s33]

You're taking only test? Nothing else and nothing recently?

Test is the only aas I'm using. Dropped HGH to 1.5iu before bed. Figure I'm wasting it to a degree if I can't get the estrogen and IGF situation sorted out.

Finished my last cycle in the 1st week of March, which included tren and npp.

I am on doctor prescribed thyroid replacement meds (25mcg T3 and 75mcg T4).

 

[Deleted member 59947]

Testosterone cream applied to the scrotum has been my savior in that regard.

I also have very low estradiol levels, but don't kid yourself, it's completely a consequence of the aromasin use.

I have seen that in MANY exemestane users: it seems to permanently lower e2, even after years of not touching the stuff, I don't care what the science says.

Test different doses and concentrations of testosterone cream, don't take straight up e2 cream.

 

[cmK9s33]

Testosterone cream applied to the scrotum has been my savior in that regard.

Thank you man.

I also have very low estradiol levels, but don't kid yourself, it's completely a consequence of the aromasin use.

I have seen that in MANY exemestane users: it seems to permanently lower e2, even after years of not touching the stuff, I don't care what the science says.

Seriously? From a few tabs a few years ago? That's wild. But it's a better explanation than anything I've got. This has been an ongoing thing for way too long for me to say that's impossible.

 

[TheGreasyPickle]

Testosterone cream applied to the scrotum has been my savior in that regard.

I also have very low estradiol levels, but don't kid yourself, it's completely a consequence of the aromasin use.

I have seen that in MANY exemestane users: it seems to permanently lower e2, even after years of not touching the stuff, I don't care what the science says.

Test different doses and concentrations of testosterone cream, don't take straight up e2 cream.

Absolutely. I used exemestane way too much before I knew better. My e2 is ALWAYS low now, 2 years later. Even on lots of test, I start feeling shitty midway thru cycle. I'm assuming from a widening t/e2 ratio. I cannot even use regular trt with low dose daily injection now, because it crushes my estrogen to single digits. TNE has been a godsend for me. 20-25mg daily keeps my e2 where I feel perfect, on top of my usual trt. More on blast.

 

[cmK9s33]

Absolutely. I used exemestane way too much before I knew better. My e2 is ALWAYS low now, 2 years later. Even on lots of test, I start feeling shitty midway thru cycle. I'm assuming from a widening t/e2 ratio. I cannot even use regular trt with low dose daily injection now, because it crushes my estrogen to single digits. TNE has been a godsend for me. 20-25mg daily keeps my e2 where I feel perfect, on top of my usual trt. More on blast.

Thank you for sharing. Well that’s a helluva thing to learn about years later (the aromasin I mean).

So you use 20-25mg of TNE ED along with 100ish mg of a long ester? How long have you been doing this? I’ve generally stayed away from TNE on account that I’ve read the guaiacol is incredibly unhealthy long term. It’s an incredible pwo though. Had you ever tried HCG in an attempt to boost estrogen? I’m suppose using HCG long term is not without risk though.

 

[Roco Bama]

Seems like your aromatase enzyme isn't doing it's job properly. The safest way to optimize your E2 level in your case is to simply go on estrogen replacement therapy. Your TRT doctor should be able to help you with this.

 

[TheGreasyPickle]

Testosterone cream applied to the scrotum has been my savior in that regard.

I also have very low estradiol levels, but don't kid yourself, it's completely a consequence of the aromasin use.

I have seen that in MANY exemestane users: it seems to permanently lower e2, even after years of not touching the stuff, I don't care what the science says.

Test different doses and concentrations of testosterone cream, don't take straight up e2 cream.

Even with low e2, you feel good on scrotal cream? I don't at all. I get alllll the tell tale signs of low e2 symptoms all over again. Probably from too much DHT.

 

[TheGreasyPickle]

Seems like your aromatase enzyme isn't doing it's job properly. The safest way to optimize your E2 level in your case is to simply go on estrogen replacement therapy. Your TRT doctor should be able to help you with this.

Exactly. I think long term aromasin in men is absolutely horrible for the aromatase enzyme. E2 replacement won't fix low aromatase enzymes, that only comes from testosterone conversion. It will fix low e2 though. Id rather just take TNE so my body is forced to convert the test to e2.

 

[TheGreasyPickle]

Thank you for sharing. Well that’s a helluva thing to learn about years later (the aromasin I mean).

So you use 20-25mg of TNE ED along with 100ish mg of a long ester? How long have you been doing this? I’ve generally stayed away from TNE on account that I’ve read the guaiacol is incredibly unhealthy long term. It’s an incredible pwo though. Had you ever tried HCG in an attempt to boost estrogen? I’m suppose using HCG long term is not without risk though.

Im on 200mg test weekly, x2 injections. Im also on hcg. Between the hcg and TNE, keeps me feeling great. I've read the guiacol studies too. I definitely take breaks from it, and just raise my base test e dose here and there. Only Until my skin starts getting dry again, and I lose sleep quality(low e2) Then back to a little TNE. I'm 40 now, and if the guaicol shaves a couple years off my life when I'm in a wheelchair and diapers at 80.. so be it. Those are the years I want shaved away anyways lol

 

[TheGreasyPickle]

Thank you for sharing. Well that’s a helluva thing to learn about years later (the aromasin I mean).

So you use 20-25mg of TNE ED along with 100ish mg of a long ester? How long have you been doing this? I’ve generally stayed away from TNE on account that I’ve read the guaiacol is incredibly unhealthy long term. It’s an incredible pwo though. Had you ever tried HCG in an attempt to boost estrogen? I’m suppose using HCG long term is not without risk though.

I've been doing this for a couple years now. Mind you, I took aromasin weekly for about 4 years. On anywhere from 100-1000mg test.

 

[TheGreasyPickle]

Title is not a typo lol. I've been getting incredibly low estradiol results on bloodwork for almost two years now and it shows no signs of improving. I never use AI's. Last time I used an AI was probaly 3 years ago and it was 12.5mg of aromasin twice/wk for 2 weeks. Nothing since. My cruise dose (which I'm currently on) is 200mg of test enanthate, which is kind of high I realize. My latest round of bloodwork put me at
1484 ng/dl total test
407 pg/ml free test
6 pg/ml of estradiol (ultrasensitive LC/MS test)

I realize everyone's level of estradiol is going to be slightly different but this seems at an unhealthy level. It affects my joints to a degree (knees usually ache way more than they should), HDL is still ok at 41 but I've had it as high at 66 in the past while on cruise. My IGF is 75 after using 3-4iu HGH/day for 5 months. So something is amiss.

Any suggestions on normalizing it or things to investigate as to why it's so low? Some others have suggested just using more test but I would think there has to be a realistic limit as to what should be used on a cruise.

On a weird side note, I'm apparently super sensitive to prolactin/progesterone as I started to develop a bit of gyno behind my left nipple while using tren and deca earlier this year. I tested estrogen a week later and it was 14 pg/ml. So, pretty damn sure that was prolactin related.

I also figured that zinc crushes my e2 as well. Be careful of that too. I found an old article somewhere about 80s German bodybuilders only took zinc as an ai on high doses of test. BTW, I only get gyno symptoms and acne when my e2 is low. I've read others claiming this too.

 

[cmK9s33]

I also figured that zinc crushes my e2 as well. Be careful of that too. I found an old article somewhere about 80s German bodybuilders only took zinc as an ai on high doses of test. BTW, I only get gyno symptoms and acne when my e2 is low. I've read others claiming this too.

I do use a zma product nightly. Maybe I could try just using Mg instead of the full zma. I had always read that zinc was important for our body’s ability to utilize androgens, but I suppose there’s little harm in experimenting.

 

[Deleted member 59947]

Even with low e2, you feel good on scrotal cream? I don't at all. I get alllll the tell tale signs of low e2 symptoms all over again. Probably from too much DHT.

To be honest I've been playing a lot with the cream and my homemade DMSO solutions recently, I must say scrotal application does cause me low e2 symptoms.
The best remains application on the belly area where I can get the most conversion to e2.
I switch between my compounded cream and Testosterone base in DMSO. I apply around 75mg of pure testosterone to get good e2 effects.

Do you keep using HCG?
Have you tried stopping to know which was giving you benefits between Testosterone and HCG?

 

[BBC3]

Is this thread for real?? You could always turn on Hallmark, have a wine spritzer and pop a clomid for surety... I would not recommend Lifetime as it may spike test even higher, but should you choose to go that route add a pinch of Caber just to be on the safe side...

A POINT I AM MAKING is that that USED TO BE A RULE AROUND HERE. That a person must provide personal body stats, drugs they take, drug/diagnosis history, diet, exercise habits (or not)... Based on the first post this person could be from Venus or Mars and upon his arrival to Earth, found that they love to eat marshmallows while manipulating their genitalia progressively on the couch... Specifically a futon. AND yet you all sit here offering advice...

So let me take a crack at it. Yer 31, 6'tall, all of 150lbs, you run ALOT, and you like a vegan diet high in cumquat... HOWEVER, you appear to think the details of your like are quite inconsequential... Guessing further, your father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery and your mother was a 15 year old prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. Your father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius posses and the insane lament. Your childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon. Luge lessons...In the springtime you would make meat helmets.. When you were insolent you were placed in burlap bag and beaten with reeds as standard. At the age of 12 you received your first scribe and at 14 a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved your testicles. You are a professional dancer as well as a part time E.R. MD....

Just a friendly REALITY CHECK. I don't recall his name but he ran around this board citing all kinds of hormonal insanity all to find out he was a psyche diagnosed anorexic with chicken stix legs that knocked together as he ran around the mall all day...

Come on...

 

[Deleted member 59947]

Is this thread for real?? You could always turn on Hallmark, have a wine spritzer and pop a clomid for surety... I would not recommend Lifetime as it may spike test even higher, but should you choose to go that route add a pinch of Caber just to be on the safe side...

A POINT I AM MAKING is that that USED TO BE A RULE AROUND HERE. That a person must provide personal body stats, drugs they take, drug/diagnosis history, diet, exercise habits (or not)... Based on the first post this person could be from Venus or Mars and upon his arrival to Earth, found that they love to eat marshmallows while manipulating their genitalia progressively on the couch... Specifically a futon. AND yet you all sit here offering advice...

So let me take a crack at it. Yer 31, 6'tall, all of 150lbs, you run ALOT, and you like a vegan diet high in cumquat... HOWEVER, you appear to think the details of your like are quite inconsequential... Guessing further, your father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery and your mother was a 15 year old prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. Your father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius posses and the insane lament. Your childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon. Luge lessons...In the springtime you would make meat helmets.. When you were insolent you were placed in burlap bag and beaten with reeds as standard. At the age of 12 you received your first scribe and at 14 a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved your testicles. You are a professional dancer as well as a part time E.R. MD....

Just a friendly REALITY CHECK. I don't recall his name but he ran around this board citing all kinds of hormonal insanity all to find out he was a psyche diagnosed anorexic with chicken stix legs that knocked together as he ran around the mall all day...

Come on...

If this low e2 issue doesn't concern you, you may as well participate in threads that do and deliver your sarcasm over there.

As far as we are concerned, some of us put ourselves in a permanently low estrogen condition resulting from excessive AI intake.

Clomid? Worst advice. The estrogen antagonism in certain tissues such as the brain make this drug a poison, and is certainly not what made me feel better in the past.

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

Damn you have like no aromataze activity....i havent heard of anything to do for that except getting some estrified e2. The only reason thats a high cruise dose is because of your blood work. Everybody metabolises estrified test at different rates. You could probably get away with 150mg. I wonder if throwing in a little dbol or deca would help with the e2. I heard a few different things but the consensus is deca can increase your e2 through different means.