Bout to start a cycle.. Any thoughts?

[Carlos Spicyweiner]

Me: 31, 6', 195lb, 12%bf, lifting 4 years, 2 cycles exp (test e 500 12 wks, tren e 200 + test c 250 10 wks) plus a couple stupid PH cycles I'm not proud of earlier on.. Haha

First cycle was awesome.. 2nd had great strength gains but diet was shit so i gained too much fat. Fractured hand a couple months ago (4th and 5th metas) so just waiting on that to be 100% before I start this cycle

The goal is mass and strength without too much fat. Wanna look good for summer ofcourse but lost over an inch on my arms since the layoff.. Since my fracture, I've shed a lot of fat and muscle thanks to practically zero ability to lift and a strict cutting diet because why the fuck not at that point.. Went from 217 to 190. Getting bloods next week.

Anyway, here's my idea, wondering if it's too much or too complicated. I only have 1 vial of pharmamix so i'm trying to supplement with the additional test e and tren a (only have bout 3 vials of that)..

1-4 dbol 30mg kickstarter
5-10 tren a 75mg 3x (dont have enough to run full cycle)
1-10 1ml pharmamix 3 (tren e 200mg, deca 200mg, test e 100mg)
1-12 test e 250mg (since it seems like my pharma dose is low)
12-14 dbol 20mg (since the half-life is short, can run this til the long esters clear)
1-14 12.5mg exemestane ed, .5mg caber 2x wk
1-14 hcg 500iu per week
Pct
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Diet: gonna go clean this time. 300g protein. 400 quality carbs. Healthy fats. Blah blah blah

Training: 3 day split 6 days a week + 3 days cardio (training for a couple 5Ks). Mixing it up from heavy/medium/light with a focus on progress overload and hitting PRs every workout..

Any thoughts or recommendations?

I will be keeping a full and complete log with pics for once since I finally have a phone with a decent camera again.

Oh, almost forgot. I'm sensitive to gyno so maybe exem at 25mg/day? When I first started fucking with PHs I didn't know jack shit about what I was doing and some shit caused a lump in right nip. It's mostly good but flares up anytime I hit AAS. Had a bunch of bad luck with RCs.. Never again! I literally got bunk from evert major RC, I've got a list somewhere.. Like 10 of em have fuxked me and countless others over!

 

[Carlos Spicyweiner]

Oh and sorry for all the edits, kept forgetting things and just wanted to be concise

 

[Carlos Spicyweiner]

Anyone? I'd appreciate any insight from the community. Thanks

 

[Cory Gabe]

How did you manage with tren on your 2nd cycle? That was certainly an aggressive approach.

I'm not a fan of using a bloating compound like dbol at the end of the cycle.

The caber is no use, just keep your estrogen under control.

When do you plan to start PCT?

I'll give it to you, you managed to put together a reasonable cycle scrapping vials that you had left. However, a good-sized dose of test would serve you just as well, imo.

 

[DrinkFlintWater]

Ditch the dbol

 

[Carlos Spicyweiner]

How did you manage with tren on your 2nd cycle? That was certainly an aggressive approach.

I'm not a fan of using a bloating compound like dbol at the end of the cycle.

The caber is no use, just keep your estrogen under control.

When do you plan to start PCT?

I'll give it to you, you managed to put together a reasonable cycle scrapping vials that you had left. However, a good-sized dose of test would serve you just as well, imo.

Thanks for the feedback! The tren was fine actually, virtually no sides apart from some insomnia. Aggression was up a little but easily able to manage and keep it focused on the iron.

I actually have quite a bit of test but from what I've gathered it's best to keep dose lower when running other compounds. I wanted to give deca and dbol a try, hence the mish-mash going on haha.. Do you think I should up the test?

And yeah, I did recently read that prolactin inhibitors are really only necessary if you can't keep E in check to begin with so I'm hoping Aro will keep me good.

PCT would start about week 14, once the long esters clear. That's why I threw a low dose of dbol in the end to keep it going through til PCT, but you may be right.. Going for a lean summer look, that may be counterproductive hey?

Thanks again!

 

[Carlos Spicyweiner]

Ditch the dbol

Why's that? I've never run it before and have heard only good things when used as a kickstarter. Thanks

 

[D-max]

Why's that? I've never run it before and have heard only good things when used as a kickstarter. Thanks

He probably means at the end.

 

[Aksfinest]

Me: 31, 6', 195lb, 12%bf, lifting 4 years, 2 cycles exp (test e 500 12 wks, tren e 200 + test c 250 10 wks) plus a couple stupid PH cycles I'm not proud of earlier on.. Haha

First cycle was awesome.. 2nd had great strength gains but diet was shit so i gained too much fat. Fractured hand a couple months ago (4th and 5th metas) so just waiting on that to be 100% before I start this cycle

The goal is mass and strength without too much fat. Wanna look good for summer ofcourse but lost over an inch on my arms since the layoff.. Since my fracture, I've shed a lot of fat and muscle thanks to practically zero ability to lift and a strict cutting diet because why the fuck not at that point.. Went from 217 to 190. Getting bloods next week.

Anyway, here's my idea, wondering if it's too much or too complicated. I only have 1 vial of pharmamix so i'm trying to supplement with the additional test e and tren a (only have bout 3 vials of that)..

1-4 dbol 30mg kickstarter
5-10 tren a 75mg 3x (dont have enough to run full cycle)
1-10 1ml pharmamix 3 (tren e 200mg, deca 200mg, test e 100mg)
1-12 test e 250mg (since it seems like my pharma dose is low)
12-14 dbol 20mg (since the half-life is short, can run this til the long esters clear)
1-14 12.5mg exemestane ed, .5mg caber 2x wk
1-14 hcg 500iu per week
Pct
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Diet: gonna go clean this time. 300g protein. 400 quality carbs. Healthy fats. Blah blah blah

Training: 3 day split 6 days a week + 3 days cardio (training for a couple 5Ks). Mixing it up from heavy/medium/light with a focus on progress overload and hitting PRs every workout..

Any thoughts or recommendations?

I will be keeping a full and complete log with pics for once since I finally have a phone with a decent camera again.

Oh, almost forgot. I'm sensitive to gyno so maybe exem at 25mg/day? When I first started fucking with PHs I didn't know jack shit about what I was doing and some shit caused a lump in right nip. It's mostly good but flares up anytime I hit AAS. Had a bunch of bad luck with RCs.. Never again! I literally got bunk from evert major RC, I've got a list somewhere.. Like 10 of em have fuxked me and countless others over!

Tren A should be used weeks 1-5 as opposed to 5-10. This schedule will be more senergistic with your Tren E.

 

[Carlos Spicyweiner]

Tren A should be used weeks 1-5 as opposed to 5-10. This schedule will be more senergistic with your Tren E.

Okay, even on top of the dbol? I thought it might be better to run the ace after dbol to maintain high anabolic levels

 

[Aksfinest]

Okay, even on top of the dbol? I thought it might be better to run the ace after dbol to maintain high anabolic levels

Tren and dbol have been shown to work great in tandem. By using this dosing schedule you're essentially kickstarting your tren e. By your 2nd-3rd week you'll be full blast on tren and by week 4-5 your tren e will be in full effect. See what I'm getting at? Instead of having 4-5 weeks of a heavy tren dose you're running 7-8 weeks at a moderate dose

 

[Carlos Spicyweiner]

Gotchya.. Cool, will modify. Thanks!

 

[Cory Gabe]

I actually have quite a bit of test but from what I've gathered it's best to keep dose lower when running other compounds. I wanted to give deca and dbol a try, hence the mish-mash going on haha.. Do you think I should up the test?

I re-read my post and I noticed that I didn't word it clearly. What I meant is that instead of using many compounds you could go all test plus oral. However, your cycle is just as fine as I said.

Good point about moving tren A to weeks 1-5. I didn't spot that one on first read.

An additional observation about pct. I don't have much experience stacking tren+deca (actually, I don't have much experience with deca at all). Anecdotally, it seems it could be quite suppressive. For this reason, I suggest you keep some extra nolva at hand if you need to extend pct and be very scrupulous about getting bloods (you should be doing it anyway).

 

[Carlos Spicyweiner]

I re-read my post and I noticed that I didn't word it clearly. What I meant is that instead of using many compounds you could go all test plus oral. However, your cycle is just as fine as I said.

Good point about moving tren A to weeks 1-5. I didn't spot that one on first read.

An additional observation about pct. I don't have much experience stacking tren+deca (actually, I don't have much experience with deca at all). Anecdotally, it seems it could be quite suppressive. For this reason, I suggest you keep some extra nolva at hand if you need to extend pct and be very scrupulous about getting bloods (you should be doing it anyway).

Gotcha.. I have plenty of nolva so that won't be an issue. I'm starting to wonder about shutdown too. Maybe I'll only run the pharmamix 8 weeks instead of 10, then taper with test for 2 weeks to help ease off the 19-NORs. Less time = less risk of shutdown. So revised plan is:

1-4 dbol 30mg ED
1-6 tren a 75mg 3X
1-8 pharmamix 1.25ml (deca 250mg, tren e 250mg, test e 125mg)
1-10 test e 250mg
1-12 exem12.5mg ED (bump if needed)
1-12 hcg 500iu per week, plus blast 1K a cpl times shortly before PCT
13-17 nolva 40/40/40/20/20

That seem better? Simpler for sure, hopefully less risk.. Just got bloods this morning and doc says I'm okay to go heavy with the hand in a week so next Monday thanks for everyone's input, I appreciate it and will keep a good log!