BP/Estradiol complications with first cycle

[Wumpus]

I think it's fine. Just that crazy high systolic and normal diastolic is what you'd expect in a 70 year old with clogged arteries. Otherwise, they'd have risen together, more or less, not diastolic totally normal. and systolic stage 2 hypertension. An ECG wouldn't show anything abnormal.

Alright thank you, I will try to get a calcium score soon.

 

[Ghoul]

TLDR: Young men with Isolated Systolic Hypertension (ISHY) have a roughly 2x greater risk of a fatal heart attack than those who don't. Since this is only revealed when something raises your blood pressure, the temporary AAS increase has inadvertently revealed what would otherwise been hidden until you got older and your BP rose with age.

This is a 2022 study. Prior to this it was commonly believed to be nothing to be concerned about, and the result of young men having exceptionally "elastic" arteries. The data in this study demonstrates
that theory is false.

At the least, it's more important for you than most to ensure you keep your BP in. a healthy range.

Cardiovascular mortality risk in young adults with isolated systolic hypertension: findings from population-based MONICA/KORA cohort study - Journal of Human Hypertension

The clinical significance of isolated systolic hypertension in young adults (ISHY) remains a topic of debate due to evidence ISHY could be a spurious condition resulting from exageratted pulse pressure amplification in “young tall men with elastic arteries”. Hence, we aimed to investigate...

www.nature.com

 

[Wumpus]

TLDR: Young men with Isolated Systolic Hypertension (ISHY) have a roughly 2x greater risk of a fatal heart attack than those who don't. Since this is only revealed when something raises your blood pressure, the temporary AAS increase has inadvertently revealed what would otherwise been hidden until you got older and your BP rose with age.

Cardiovascular mortality risk in young adults with isolated systolic hypertension: findings from population-based MONICA/KORA cohort study - Journal of Human Hypertension

The clinical significance of isolated systolic hypertension in young adults (ISHY) remains a topic of debate due to evidence ISHY could be a spurious condition resulting from exageratted pulse pressure amplification in “young tall men with elastic arteries”. Hence, we aimed to investigate...

www.nature.com

I will read that thank you for the information. But as long as I keep my systolic in range I should not have such a great risk, correct?

 

[Ghoul]

I will read that thank you for the information. But as long as I keep my systolic in range I should not have such a great risk, correct?

If you keep your BP below 130/80 it doesn't look like you're at any greater risk of heart attack than anyone else, all things being equal. But as your BP rises, you'll probably see that split where systolic goes up and diastolic stays in the health range. That's where the danger lies.

 

[Wumpus]

If you keep your BP below 130/80 it doesn't look like you're at any greater risk of heart attack than anyone else, all things being equal. But as your BP rises, you'll probably see that split where systolic goes up and diastolic stays in the health range. That's where the danger lies.

I see, the offset of the two is where the Problem is. It’s worse that my diastolic is in a healthy range because it is indicative of an underlying issue causing it to be that way. Thank you for the help and clarification.

 

[Eddie.]

I think it's fine. Just that crazy high systolic and normal diastolic is what you'd expect in a 70 year old with clogged arteries. Otherwise, they'd have risen together, more or less, not diastolic totally normal. and systolic stage 2 hypertension. An ECG wouldn't show anything abnormal.

It amazes me what high estrogen can cause to some people while others don't experience any side effect. I was over 100 myself too after experimenting with HCG with zero sides. If i haven't done bloodwork i'd swear i was in 40-50 range.

I see, the offset of the two is where the Problem is. It’s worse that my diastolic is in a healthy range because it is indicative of an underlying issue causing it to be that way. Thank you for the help and clarification.

Yes, from my personal experience this could be a problem too. I was happy in the beggining of my gear usage that my BP wasn't go up but since i was already too hypotensive it skewd more my pulse pressure with diastolic being sometimes below 50, and i can't do much to raise it. Only thing left to try is replace my water intake with sea water lol

 

[Gannon]

I was at between 160-170 in September and made the following changes:

1. Stopped coffee
2. Significantly lowered my salt intake
3. Increased cardio
4. Took supplements like Valerian and Dandelion (in Austria we have something called "Blutdruck formel" which has olive leaf extra and pottasium:thttps://www.valsona.at/dr-boehm-blutdruckformel)
5. Wall planks 3 times a week 4x2 min

I am now at 135 which for me is really good as high blood pressure runs in my family.

 

[F41l0r1337]

I started my first cycle with 500mg test c and I felt great for the first 9 weeks. Around the 10th week I started getting very light headed. I then started checking my BP which was about 160/70. I immediately quit injecting and went and got my bloods done everything looked normal except my estradiol which had went from 20 pg/ml to 100 pg/m. I had been very bloated and retaining a lot of water which I'm guessing is the reason for the massive spike in BP but a lot of my family have hypertension naturally so l think that on top of excessive estradiol made it very bad. What I was thinking was I start back up at a lower dose such as 200mg a week and take arimidex to manage estradiol and also start to take telmisartan and amlodiphine to manage BP. I'm new to all this I'm trying to learn as much as I can but I really want to do this correctly. So if any one has any input on what I should do or any information that would help me, please share if you do not mind. It would be much appreciated.

ye bro thats common,

-first step - take aromasin 25-50mg..

then bp drops quickly to 130..

-second step - lower your test dosage or try to inject more frequently

-third step check your bp more often, may use telmisartan 40-80mg daily on your next cycles, it has much benefits(bloodfats,bloodsugar,bloodpressure,fatburning,heart etc like cardarine)

 

[F41l0r1337]

Increasing cardio is not a good idea with such a high blood pressure...the heart wall thickens...the heart rate increases as it throws out less volume per beat, especially later in combination with hgh and insulins.

That's why a cruise is so important, and it's important to keep the blood pressure under 140 in the bulk, rapid weight gain can also increase blood pressure, but the worst thing on BP is water from aldosterone[deca],estrogen, salt fluctations, hgh edema etc.

Cardio should still be done as long as possible to create basic endurance and to help building up your vascular system.

Magensium also lowers blood pressure, I use it after training or before sleeping / it relaxes the muscles and they start to grow.

Nattokinase may also helps

May think about Nebivolol as last step

 

[Wumpus]

Increasing cardio is not a good idea with such a high blood pressure...the heart wall thickens...the heart rate increases as it throws out less volume per beat, especially later in combination with hgh and insulins.

That's why a cruise is so important, and it's important to keep the blood pressure under 140 in the bulk, rapid weight gain can also increase blood pressure, but the worst thing on BP is water from aldosterone[deca],estrogen, salt fluctations, hgh edema etc.

Cardio should still be done as long as possible to create basic endurance and to help building up your vascular system.

Magensium also lowers blood pressure, I use it after training or before sleeping / it relaxes the muscles and they start to grow.

Nattokinase may also helps

May think about Nebivolol as last step

Should I use something like mast on top of my most tolerable dose of test that doesn't raise my e2 to much. For now I want to just cut down on 175mg a week and then try out 250 for a bulk and see What my e2 does on that. But as for later cycles would that be a good option? Also is it bad to run an ai constantly or should that be avoided I have read they are neurotoxic but I assume that’s only true if you drop your e2 too much with them?

 

[F41l0r1337]

Should I use something like mast on top of my most tolerable dose of test that doesn't raise my e2 to much. For now I want to just cut down on 175mg a week and then try out 250 for a bulk and see What my e2 does on that. But as for later cycles would that be a good option? Also is it bad to run an ai constantly or should that be avoided I have read they are neurotoxic but I assume that’s only true if you drop your e2 too much with them?

it's your first cycle, i wouldn't add another component yet. for the future it would make sense to add as much as you tolerate without aromatase inhibitors + a DHT or EQ. aromasin is an approved medication, there are many studies on it.

But as i know beginners, they want to increase their dose quickly... you can certainly build up for 1-2 years with the same cycle

find a coach or mentor instead of an forum guy

 

[Wumpus]

it's your first cycle, i wouldn't add another component yet. for the future it would make sense to add as much as you tolerate without aromatase inhibitors + a DHT or EQ. aromasin is an approved medication, there are many studies on it.

But as i know beginners, they want to increase their dose quickly... you can certainly build up for 1-2 years with the same cycle

find a coach or mentor instead of an forum guy

I appreciate the help thank you.