Bulk aftermath - complete failure!

[eery]

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This is way outdated. We know that you can get equal hypertrophy from 5-30 reps, though there is merit in this chart as you do get more emphasiz like more muscle endurance, lactate clearing etc on higher reps.

It sounds to me like you are a little too stuck in getting all your information from one outdated resource Theres a lot of new research and things that have been promoted anecdotally as well thats improved a lot of our understanding of training and all. A book isnt the answer to everything. Im happy you share what you do though, dont take my comment as anything hateful or negative.

 

[may2021]

This is way outdated. We know that you can get equal hypertrophy from 5-30 reps, though there is merit in this chart as you do get more emphasiz like more muscle endurance, lactate clearing etc on higher reps.

It sounds to me like you are a little too stuck in getting all your information from one outdated resource Theres a lot of new research and things that have been promoted anecdotally as well thats improved a lot of our understanding of training and all. A book isnt the answer to everything. Im happy you share what you do though, dont take my comment as anything hateful or negative.

I like reading it all. Helps me.

 

[BCBuilder]

That's different. Diet is essential. Counting seconds on a stopwatch between sets is not.

i'll eat my hat if someone can honestly and definitively say that the difference for them between gaining and not gaining came down to resting 60 seconds too long between sets.

The theory (I believe) is the more pumped you are, the more micro tears occur in the muscle, resulting in faster hypertrophic gains, due to the process of damage being different and therfore SAID (specific adaptation to imposed demand) resulting in more hypertrophy than strength gains. This is how its explained in my resistance training information at least. More pump during working sets=more hypertrophy. It's just hard to definitively say these things due to lack of research

 

[MisterSuperGod]

The theory (I believe) is the more pumped you are, the more micro tears occur in the muscle, resulting in faster hypertrophic gains, due to the process of damage being different and therfore SAID (specific adaptation to imposed demand) resulting in more hypertrophy than strength gains. This is how its explained in my resistance training information at least. More pump during working sets=more hypertrophy. It's just hard to definitively say these things due to lack of research

i remember another guy years ago on a different forum saying something similar and it didn't dawn on me till later.

i can get damn near debilitating pumps with light weight bicep curls. Let's say that's with something like 30 lbs. If the pump was the difference maker than why would i ever need to go higher? Instead i could just keep pushing for more reps or adding more sets.

Using much higher weights, which coincidentally gives me noticeably less of a pump than lighter weights is what made my biceps grow. So i'm really not a subscriber to that theory.

 

[jJjburton]

This is way outdated. We know that you can get equal hypertrophy from 5-30 reps, though there is merit in this chart as you do get more emphasiz like more muscle endurance, lactate clearing etc on higher reps.

It sounds to me like you are a little too stuck in getting all your information from one outdated resource Theres a lot of new research and things that have been promoted anecdotally as well thats improved a lot of our understanding of training and all. A book isnt the answer to everything. Im happy you share what you do though, dont take my comment as anything hateful or negative.

No i appreciate it. I agree with you 100%

 

[BCBuilder]

i remember another guy years ago on a different forum saying something similar and it didn't dawn on me till later.

i can get damn near debilitating pumps with light weight bicep curls. Let's say that's with something like 30 lbs. If the pump was the difference maker than why would i ever need to go higher? Instead i could just keep pushing for more reps or adding more sets.

Using much higher weights, which coincidentally gives me noticeably less of a pump than lighter weights is what made my biceps grow. So i'm really not a subscriber to that theory.

I subscribe that when you plateau you need to change up some aspect of your training to propell yourself over it. I think the lighter weight higher reps builds good size with the pump but I also think you need that heavy low rep stimulus to improve your strength when size stops increasing. I like to go heavy for a while and build that strength, and then use the increased strength to apply more stress via big pump and tut with higher weight than before.

 

[jJjburton]

This is way outdated. We know that you can get equal hypertrophy from 5-30 reps, though there is merit in this chart as you do get more emphasiz like more muscle endurance, lactate clearing etc on higher reps.

It sounds to me like you are a little too stuck in getting all your information from one outdated resource Theres a lot of new research and things that have been promoted anecdotally as well thats improved a lot of our understanding of training and all. A book isnt the answer to everything. Im happy you share what you do though, dont take my comment as anything hateful or negative.

What works for each person is different. Sometimes its hard to truely get the right information. I do base my knowledge on what i went to college for. Yet information is always changing.

And information for someone on AAS doesnt correlate that well to someone not. The info i am giving is based on natural trained individuals. But i do use it as a “base” which i myself have strayed from as i found what is best for me. Along with the people i have trained. And i do not train them the same way as i train, as they are natural and i am not.


In the end i have used drop sets of 30 sets by the end. Because using the size principle of motor neuron recruitment. So there are so many different ways to get from A-B.

I train extremly high volume. And i am starting to train heavier in my next blocked blast coming up.

So yes there are so many dam ways that work. I agree with you and agree with all you said. The stuff is somewhat outdated but it is good base knowledge and i am learning everyday.

 

[jJjburton]

i remember another guy years ago on a different forum saying something similar and it didn't dawn on me till later.

i can get damn near debilitating pumps with light weight bicep curls. Let's say that's with something like 30 lbs. If the pump was the difference maker than why would i ever need to go higher? Instead i could just keep pushing for more reps or adding more sets.

Using much higher weights, which coincidentally gives me noticeably less of a pump than lighter weights is what made my biceps grow. So i'm really not a subscriber to that theory.

I also can use a lighter weight then a training partner and grow much faster. And this is because of the quality of the mind muscle connection (broscience). And the quality of each contraction.

 

[jJjburton]

i remember another guy years ago on a different forum saying something similar and it didn't dawn on me till later.

i can get damn near debilitating pumps with light weight bicep curls. Let's say that's with something like 30 lbs. If the pump was the difference maker than why would i ever need to go higher? Instead i could just keep pushing for more reps or adding more sets.

Using much higher weights, which coincidentally gives me noticeably less of a pump than lighter weights is what made my biceps grow. So i'm really not a subscriber to tha

Your saying here heavier bicep work made your biceps grow?

 

[BCBuilder]

What works for each person is different. Sometimes its hard to truely get the right information. I do base my knowledge on what i went to college for. Yet information is always changing.

And information for someone on AAS doesnt correlate that well to someone not. The info i am giving is based on natural trained individuals. But i do use it as a “base” which i myself have strayed from as i found what is best for me. Along with the people i have trained. And i do not train them the same way as i train, as they are natural and i am not.


In the end i have used drop sets of 30 sets by the end. Because using the size principle of motor neuron recruitment. So there are so many different ways to get from A-B.

I train extremly high volume. And i am starting to train heavier in my next blocked blast coming up.

So yes there are so many dam ways that work. I agree with you and agree with all you said. The stuff is somewhat outdated but it is good base knowledge and i am learning everyday.

That's what it's all about I think, try something and see what your body reacts to.

The reality is we are the people that need to be pioneering info in these fields, I try to have a well documented log of my experiences and effects I have seen using ped's because im still fairly young and new to the world of enhanced training,

but I hope to one day be able to make some advancements in our understanding of resistance training and growing muscles. Sounds like that's your goal at least a little bit as well.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

When I get asked "whats better for size? Higher reps lower weight or higher weight lower reps"
I always answer high weights high reps
And that's the way to grow imo
Use Rest pause , cluster sets ,drop sets you name it. Use your maximal weight and crank those damn reps.
You get on the bar you do a rep and you think you have 6 more !
No little piece of shit you don't have 6 more you have 16 more ! It just takes a special kind of gym partner to find your limits.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Your saying here heavier bicep work made your biceps grow?

Correct. Biceps were one of the stubborn muscle groups. i began adding 5 lbs as often as i could and they started growing.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Correct. Biceps were one of the stubborn muscle groups. i began adding 5 lbs as often as i could and they started growing.

Mine too

 

[eery]

The theory (I believe) is the more pumped you are, the more micro tears occur in the muscle, resulting in faster hypertrophic gains, due to the process of damage being different and therfore SAID (specific adaptation to imposed demand) resulting in more hypertrophy than strength gains. This is how its explained in my resistance training information at least. More pump during working sets=more hypertrophy. It's just hard to definitively say these things due to lack of research

Thing about how tension is the main driver of hypertrophy and how a pumped muscle is activated and loaded versus a flat one. You have that plus the fact that working up to a pump activates different anabolic pathways then straight tensions so its all synergistic, metabolic stress etc. So you basically have metabolic stress helping you get more out of progressive overload. Thats kinda how i think about it. Theres more to it then that though but im no brad schoenfeld either, lol.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Correct. Biceps were one of the stubborn muscle groups. i began adding 5 lbs as often as i could and they started growing.

With higher reps and low weight they seem to get soft lol

 

[BCBuilder]

When I get asked "whats better for size? Higher reps lower weight or higher weight lower reps"
I always answer high weights high reps
And that's the way to grow imo
Use Rest pause , cluster sets ,drop sets you name it. Use your maximal weight and crank those damn reps.
You get on the bar you do a rep and you think you have 6 more !
No little piece of shit you don't have 6 more you have 16 more ! It just takes a special kind of gym partner to find your limits.

Very true. If you can still do partials you aren't at failure yet imo. Intensity will always be a sure fire way to grow rather than getting "too caught up" on finer points. Granted your recovery and diet can support that level of intense training.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Very true. If you can still do partials you aren't at failure yet imo. Intensity will always be a sure fire way to grow rather than getting "too caught up" on finer points. Granted your recovery and diet can support that level of intense training.

You're the man! You're right if you still can do partials isn't over yet!!
Need very good rest and nutrition it isn't sustainable for a lot of times IMO you need to take brakes.
Remember my 1st years training that way. Was getting home after gym no meal no protein shake I was just sleeping couldn't do anything else.

Even now after this kind of training my day is over ! Take a bath eat a lot and just sitting on couch and sleep

 

[BCBuilder]

You're the man! You're right if you still can do partials isn't over yet!!
Need very good rest and nutrition it isn't sustainable for a lot of times IMO you need to take brakes.
Remember my 1st years training that way. Was getting home after gym no meal no protein shake I was just sleeping couldn't do anything else.

Even now after this kind of training my day is over ! Take a bath eat a lot and just sitting on couch and sleep

Lmao talking about training like this is triggering my inner ape and making me want to go throw some iron around. Fuck I love the pump that comes with some mind bending partial sets. The ones where you're cursing yourself out loud sweating like a mother fucker and generally making everyone at the gym uncomfortable

 

[Dr.Leary]

Sounds like you are completely over complicating all of it .... and if your really having this much trouble making progress and really want to take it seriously then I think your best bet is to hire a trainer that can be there with you and show you in person.

 

[RzSco]

Nothing ever works.

Eating at maintenance (weight has been the same for 3 weeks) following the kind of diet that's been suggested above. Macro ratios are solid, diet is cleaner than most, protein intake is adequate.

Hitting each muscle group 2x per week with 6 sets (3 compound and 3 isolations per individual muscle).

I've lost strength, went from 10 chin up max to 8 for example (work for back and biceps is chin up plus bicep curl as the isolation).

Still no work capacity either, my chin up set went 8 / 6 / 3 reps (to failure). I'm only on a low dose of test right now (1000 Ng/dL estimate).

I just don't understand honestly. I'm giving my body the nutrients it needs and the stimulus it needs (both hormonally and in muscle damage) to grow.

Time for blood work again, I have to rule that out that the test could be fake. I shouldn't be losing strength!