can’t stay asleep

[ThreeSix]

Should’ve posted an update here
Last night I rawdogged it and told myself “I can go without Lunesta”

Had a rough night of sleep, ended up deciding that tonight I will be adding 3mg Lunesta to see how it does me. 1.5mgs was nice. Hopefully 3 will keep me down. I hear it works on Gaba receptors, which Trazodone and Mirtazapine don’t hit, so in theory, I’d be having better sleep quality “coverage” in a sense

Will update tomorrow morning

whats your total dose of androgens? Have you considered dropping some of it? I did so by roughly 30% and sleep a lot better. my mental has improved and I am feeling pretty awesome now. Sleep is not perfect, but the drive from the androgens was too much for me. Maybe you could get even better results in the gym as well.

 

[syuri]

Update:

3 Lunesta helped me sleep pretty well. I like it, stayed asleep for a solid 7 hours before waking! Nice experience

Will try again tonight

 

[syuri]

Another update:

Did a supplement and combined it with Lunesta, oh my GOD, nice ass sleep
Tried the Sports Research sleep formula that has PharmaGaba (supposedly crosses the BBB and is more effective than pure GABA), L-Theanine, Valerian Root, and Magnesium

I attached a pic, but I seriously think that my stack w/ Lunesta and this supplement is the most optimal stack. I feel GREAT.

So I've settled on:
50 Trazodone
15 Mirtazapine
3 Lunesta
Sports Research Sleep Formula

I don't know how effective the supp is, I'll have to monitor my sleep this week to see, but it definitely kept me down. I assume both the Lunesta and supp are helping me to stay down

 

[King_Cnut]

Man, they really have put All The Things in that supplement, minus the melatonin! Would be interesting to see if the claims of better GABA BBB penetration stack up

 

[syuri]

Man, they really have put All The Things in that supplement, minus the melatonin! Would be interesting to see if the claims of better GABA BBB penetration stack up

I know, I was hesitant to pick some up off Amazon but it definitely did something for me thankfully!

Will keep reporting back on how adding it is doing me; I'm still looking into the claims about this GABA crossing the BBB, it seems very promising

 

[Ateam2023]

I will be adding 7.5 mg of Mirtapazine (remeron) tonight to see if that will help keep me asleep, I don't really like adding antidepressants like this, but it's a low-dose so hopefully I don't get any unnecessary weight gain that could possibly be a side effect,

 

[Ateam2023]

Another update:

Did a supplement and combined it with Lunesta, oh my GOD, nice ass sleep
Tried the Sports Research sleep formula that has PharmaGaba (supposedly crosses the BBB and is more effective than pure GABA), L-Theanine, Valerian Root, and Magnesium

I attached a pic, but I seriously think that my stack w/ Lunesta and this supplement is the most optimal stack. I feel GREAT.

So I've settled on:
50 Trazodone
15 Mirtazapine
3 Lunesta
Sports Research Sleep Formula

I don't know how effective the supp is, I'll have to monitor my sleep this week to see, but it definitely kept me down. I assume both the Lunesta and supp are helping me to stay downView attachment 376668

How much was that?

 

[syuri]

How much was that?

26 bucks for 30 servings on Amazon, I'll link it

Amazon.com

 

[Ateam2023]

26 bucks for 30 servings on Amazon, I'll link it

Amazon.com

Let us know how it goes because I'm gonna hold off on buying anything extra at the moment I currently have a pretty extensive sleep stack and now adding that remeron we'll see how that goes

 

[SlamSumTest]

5-10k steps + 12% BF + training 6x a week

Def not fueling enough. Add more calories before throwing more drugs to fix

 

[syuri]

5-10k steps + 12% BF + training 6x a week

Def not fueling enough. Add more calories before throwing more drugs to fix

Brother

Those stats are old, eating 4500 calories daily right now on a bulk… definitely not under eating in the slightest

 

[Ateam2023]

Brother

Those stats are old, eating 4500 calories daily right now on a bulk… definitely not under eating in the slightest

I know you've taken the mirtazapine, do you think I should start off with half of a 7.5 mg pill or just Yolo the whole pill

 

[Civdiv]

I know you've taken the mirtazapine, do you think I should start off with half of a 7.5 mg pill or just Yolo the whole pill

I jumped in with the whole pill. No hangover or grogginess the next morning. Least effective dose is always best I guess but 15mg didn't seem that strong.

 

[Ateam2023]

I jumped in with the whole pill. No hangover or grogginess the next morning. Least effective dose is always best I guess but 15mg didn't seem that strong.

I ended up taking the whole dose and I can't say that it really helps me stay asleep honestly, and I've noticed that my REM sleep has suffered a tad since starting this, so we'll give it another few weeks and assess and go from there

 

[luanmyk]

Did you guys think that high doses of testosterone worsened your insomnia? And wouldn't maintaining TRT doses, keeping hormone levels "natural," actually improve sleep?

 

[Ateam2023]

Did you guys think that high doses of testosterone worsened your insomnia? And wouldn't maintaining TRT doses, keeping hormone levels "natural," actually improve sleep?

I have been doing just 160 mg weekly divided in EOD injections, so me personally I am not doing high doses of testosterone, but my sleep issues are complex and sorting them out maybe unattainable for me, I will keep trying to figure it out

 

[Duraclear]

Did you guys think that high doses of testosterone worsened your insomnia? And wouldn't maintaining TRT doses, keeping hormone levels "natural," actually improve sleep?

There's no question for me that high doses of any AAS worsen insomnia. My sleep starts getting affected at even 150mg. At 250, I feel wired and amped up all the time. It's a big part of why I keep my TRT dose at around 100.

It's worth noting that I have pretty severe ADHD, so I have sleep problems anyway, and these compounds may affect me differently.

Also submitting a vote for Trazadone here. That stuff is great.

Fluoxetine (Prozac) 10mg/day also really helps me stay asleep once I acclimate after a couple weeks, but I don't like being on SSRIs, so I don't currently take it.

 

[2envy]

Listen, I don't advocate for this, but if you want the best combo for sleep onset - 1mg of xanax or halcion, 10mg of ambien, and 200mg of trazadone for steady sleep.

This is what I used to take, and turned into a former benzo addict. This is why I am so fucking SICK of see people suggest Z drugs, or anything that heavily effects the GABA receptors. Do you think your precious little gains are with losing in 30 days in an inpatient program? Get off the gear if you can't sleep.

 

[luanmyk]

There's no question for me that high doses of any AAS worsen insomnia. My sleep starts getting affected at even 150mg. At 250, I feel wired and amped up all the time. It's a big part of why I keep my TRT dose at around 100.

It's worth noting that I have pretty severe ADHD, so I have sleep problems anyway, and these compounds may affect me differently.

Also submitting a vote for Trazadone here. That stuff is great.

Fluoxetine (Prozac) 10mg/day also really helps me stay asleep once I acclimate after a couple weeks, but I don't like being on SSRIs, so I don't currently take it.

I'm not a fan of SSRIs either. But you mentioned Trazodone, which is also an SSRI, right? So you don't use it all the time?

And about Fluoxetine, does it make you sleepy? Do you usually take it before bed? I've seen reports that it can cause insomnia.

 

[Pi555]

Did you guys think that high doses of testosterone worsened your insomnia? And wouldn't maintaining TRT doses, keeping hormone levels "natural," actually improve sleep?

Absolutely, it could be the case, higher doses of testosterone and AAS usage contributes to obstructive sleep apnea OSA, you might not notice at first but it definitely causes respiratory drive alterations waking you up at night, the older you are the higher the possibility.