Carbs when cutting on cycle

[Jamesw94]

Hi,

Trying to drop some bodyfat on a 12 week cutting cycle

400mg test e weeks 1-12
50mg anavar 6-12

2g protein per pound of bodyweight
50g fats

But how many carbs should I be consuming when trying to cut down as much bf in these 12 weeks? Some say less than 100 and others saying less than 20g a day

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

I dont think any form of keto or diet advice from natty people doesn't apply to us. Every bb diet ive seen people are running high carb, high p, and low fats. I think i heard that the minimal fats you need a day is like 40-50g dont remember if thats to prevent malnurishment or on gear. I lost 20+lbs on this macro balance, feels fucking awesome. Just got to find your caloric deficit sweet spot based on your weight and activity. Fats are largely useless to people on gear. Carbs are king on gear

 

[Jamesw94]

I dont think any form of keto or diet advice from natty people doesn't apply to us. Every bb diet ive seen people are running high carb, high p, and low fats. I think i heard that the minimal fats you need a day is like 40-50g dont remember if thats to prevent malnurishment or on gear. I lost 20+lbs on this macro balance, feels fucking awesome. Just got to find your caloric deficit sweet spot based on your weight and activity. Fats are largely useless to people on gear. Carbs are king on gear

But what benefit does carbs give you when your in a deficit on AAS? apart from energy? Why is it king on gear?

 

[Ambitionzcs]

But what benefit does carbs give you when your in a deficit on AAS? apart from energy? Why is it king on gear?

Carbs give you room to adjust when you plateau in fat loss. If your eating 20g of carbs a day where will you go once it stops working? 10g then 0g? Your going to feel like dirt and perform like it too.

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

But what benefit does carbs give you when your in a deficit on AAS? apart from energy? Why is it king on gear?

Carbs are protein sparing. Carbs give you the energy for greater fatigue of the muscles. Anabolism uses carbs for nutrient partitioning to the muscle so it doesnt get stored as fat as opposed to being natty. Carbs increase your metabolism, they digest quickly. Your bodys systems for hypertrophy are optimized and happen quicker so you want metabolic turn over to happen faster for better recovery. Aesthetically, carbs fill your muscles with atp which gives the "full" look

 

[Jamesw94]

So what your saying is when not using AAS low carbs are better for cutting and when using AAS higher carbs would be more beneficial to cut while still in a deficit?

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

So what your saying is when not using AAS low carbs are better for cutting and when using AAS higher carbs would be more beneficial to cut while still in a deficit?

Thats what it seems like to me based off of what ive researched. I dont look much into natty nutrition because it doesnt apply to me and is a mixed bag at best because its hard to find specific info about fitness and not just healthy living. The increased anabolism optimizes your bodies energy expendature and overall usage.

 

[malfeasance]

Hi,

Trying to drop some bodyfat on a 12 week cutting cycle

400mg test e weeks 1-12
50mg anavar 6-12

2g protein per pound of bodyweight
50g fats

But how many carbs should I be consuming when trying to cut down as much bf in these 12 weeks? Some say less than 100 and others saying less than 20g a day

You have to experiment. A lot is going to depend on how active you are, how much lean mass you have, etc.

A 280 pound off season bodybuilder starting prep for a contest and hitting cardio for 45 minutes each morning fasted is going to have a different need for carbs than a plump 190 pounder gym rat on steroids who is afraid of cardio cuz it will cause him to lose his gainz.

So start where you have it. Pick a level of carbs. Maybe start with 250 grams (I don't know anything about you, so that may be appropriate or may not, but it is a starting point). Then adjust your carbs and cardio based on what you see in progress photos, tape measure around the waist at the belly button, and the scale.

You don't even have to do the same carbs every day. You can have one or two 250 gram carb days and the rest at 100 grams, maybe even a zero gram of carbs day once a week. And you can adjust those, too, based on your progress, adding in more low or medium days as needed to maintain progress.

I like that you are keeping your protein high throughout, though. That works.

 

[wsmwannabe]

A 280 pound off season bodybuilder starting prep for a contest and hitting cardio for 45 minutes each morning fasted is going to have a different need for carbs than a plump 190 pounder gym rat on steroids who is afraid of cardio cuz it will cause him to lose his gainz.

I love this comment so much. This was me for years (minus the steroids and I was in the 230-240 range) until I learned how to eat for performance.

 

[JackedSwiss]

Hi,

Trying to drop some bodyfat on a 12 week cutting cycle

400mg test e weeks 1-12
50mg anavar 6-12

2g protein per pound of bodyweight
50g fats

But how many carbs should I be consuming when trying to cut down as much bf in these 12 weeks? Some say less than 100 and others saying less than 20g a day

you should be more worried about being in a total negative caloric balance. Calories in vs calories out.

How many carbs you use when dieting is based on several different factors and many use a recipe such as this: protein set at 1.5-2g per lb bodyweight, fats set at 20-30% of total kcals, the remaining calories are carbs. Never go lower than fats being 20% of total kcals (competitors can get away with this for short periods of time).

So this means you need to know what your deficit kcal amount is before figuring out carbs.

1) how many carbs were you consuming when not dieting? (The higher the carb amount the higher you can start when you dieting). The goal of any good cut is to utilize as much food as possible!

In most 12 week "cuts" the only macronutrient you should be really manipulating is your carbs. Your fat should start of significantly higher for hormone/energy/lipid reasons. If you start at 50g fat what room will you have to potentially lower fats 9 weeks into your cut.

 

[Jamesw94]

So basically I'm on a 500 calorie deficit at 1920 calories which would put me at 96g carbs / 240g protein / 64g fats this is at a 20% / 50% / 30%

Does this seem correct to you?
Would you stick to these carb limits every day? Same with the fats?

Thanks for the info

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

So basically I'm on a 500 calorie deficit at 1920 calories which would put me at 96g carbs / 240g protein / 64g fats this is at a 20% / 50% / 30%

Does this seem correct to you?
Would you stick to these carb limits every day? Same with the fats?

Thanks for the info

How much do you weigh? How tall are you? 1920? 2500 in a surplus? Were you gaining weight or was that maintenance calories?

 

[Jamesw94]

5ft 8. My maintenence calories are 2500 so my deficit is roughly

 

[Demondosage]

Depends on whether you train like a bitch or like a man. Most would benefit more from dropping fats first and tapering carbs downward as they got leaner. But I think to come out of the gate less than 150 grams of carbs a day is retarded!! Why deplete a muscle when you can burn fat and still get decent workouts with caloric restriction?

 

[TRT]

Calories in calories out weather your on shit or not.
You'll have to play with carbs and fats. Obviously reduce your fats a little but primarily reduce your carbs slowly. When you stop loosing weight throw in more carbs for one day and not 600g. If you get to 200g of carbs have a day of 300g cause you know that worked. I would assume at this point you will have played with fats too. To little fats and you'll stop loosing weight.

 

[Logan44551]

Calories in calories out weather your on shit or not.
You'll have to play with carbs and fats. Obviously reduce your fats a little but primarily reduce your carbs slowly. When you stop loosing weight throw in more carbs for one day and not 600g. If you get to 200g of carbs have a day of 300g cause you know that worked. I would assume at this point you will have played with fats too. To little fats and you'll stop loosing weight.

Your back! Long time dude, how are things?

 

[Ambitionzcs]

So basically I'm on a 500 calorie deficit at 1920 calories which would put me at 96g carbs / 240g protein / 64g fats this is at a 20% / 50% / 30%

Does this seem correct to you?
Would you stick to these carb limits every day? Same with the fats?

Thanks for the info

Oh man your gonna be eating less then a bikini competitor in a few weeks. Build your calories higher before you cut. Slowly work your way up to 3k at least.

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

Oh man your gonna be eating less then a bikini competitor in a few weeks. Build your calories higher before you cut. Slowly work your way up to 3k at least.

I dont understand all the metric to calories but it seems like minimally the calories should be between 3-4k as far as bulking and cutting. Like im 170lbs 5'10" skinny fat natty, no gym, decent diet, a lil booze. In 3200 cal i am in a pretty steep deficit. Performance is effected, muscle mass is less. I guess it all depends on genetics, composition, weight, activity. I would wager that if maint is 2500 you would benifit from a bulk and then cut back down to put on some more mass. I guess peoples goals all differ..

 

[TRT]

Your back! Long time dude, how are things?

Shits so fucking good man. Awesome home life. I'm married with kids now. Their amazing. Got a laid back job making good money and benefits. Just had to spend time on myself. I made some posts a few months back but slacked off again.
Can't stay away from here as usual. I love learning new shit and debating...not the arguing and pointless bullshit obviously. Lol

 

[TRT]

Your back! Long time dude, how are things?

Plus lost my original handle somehow but fuck it. Post count don't mean anything to me. We've see. Plenty of idiots here with 10k+ posts.