Carnivore/low carb

[Blakeyy]

Looking for a little help/advice , tiny bit of background info , currently doing carnivore diet , must say I do really enjoy it , don’t have the bloating or stomach pains anymore , also feel much more full and satiated , Just decided to give it a try as was having constant bloating and stomach discomfort , but the fat on the carnivore diet is really high , you then use the fat as energy source instead of carbs , this was a strange approach and took a while to grasp cause normally you try keep your fat pretty low , something to do with the ketones in your body then target fat because there isnt really any carbs in the system ,

But my question is could you still run a diet like this but still have the odd carb source here and there ? It would it then through the ketones what ever they are off and make you start using most of that fat your eating to store instead of use ?

I do miss the occasional protein bar here and there , plus a bagel every now and again , also the eating out is very very difficult when your trying to keep it to no carb ,

So would it still work to run the diet but having a odd protein bar here and there and some bread here and there plus having a carb meal when going out , or would the carbs mean it would start putting all the fat your eating to use to store it rather than use it to burn

Currently just eating loads of meats , tones of eggs , a lot of feta cheese (heard it’s one of the best for carnivore )

 

[JC Grifter]

I’ve been doing the carnivore diet for a month and absolutely love it. I share the same experience with my stomach issues. My IBS seems to be gone. Regarding adding some carbs in, try to have carbs before and after training only.

 

[Nidus]

Out of curiosity, how does your carnivore diet usually look like and what kind of food do you go for? I assume mostly chicken, steak and eggs?

Thinking of giving it a try myself!

 

[LGOP528]

Depends on your goals really. Keto helped me lose a lot of weight and mentally I felt sharp. It helped my gut as well. I eventually hit a performance limit and switched back to carbs. I know you said carnivore but I think keto is close enough.

Stan Efferding points this out but it really struck home with me. Now this is probably going to be obvious to life long health people but he says the real reason keto works so well is because of adherence. That got me to thinking and it also has short term ramifications to cheating on a diet. If you cheat and have a bunch of carbs, you are kicked out of ketosis and it can take a while to get back in. There is nuance to that because as pointed out above, you can use the target carbs around workouts so that you limit the time kicked out. When I had an unhealthy relationship with food, once I kicked myself out of ketosis, I would just binge. So the same mechanism that was causing me to stay strict, gave me an excuse to derail for longer. Ultimately I accepted that I am a fat ass at heart and I don’t want to go through life dealing with inconveniences of the diet. With a carb diet if I have something I am not supposed to, no big deal, I just don’t let it happen too often and everything averages out through the week. Also, GLPs were not big when I was losing this weight. Now a low dose GLP gives a lot of advantages that a keto diet would provide. My diet now is more aligned with the vertical diet and I don’t have the stomach issues with it either.

That was my experience. As mentioned above, the “targeted” approach probably would be best for long term. For me long term was not sustainable. I would not hesitate to use it again if I needed it though. Great for improving the liver and inflammation.

 

[Blakeyy]

I’ve been doing the carnivore diet for a month and absolutely love it. I share the same experience with my stomach issues. My IBS seems to be gone. Regarding adding some carbs in, try to have carbs before and after training only.

You think if you add carbs in though it will still work the same ? And eating tones of fat won’t then negatively effect you ?

 

[LGOP528]

You think if you add carbs in though it will still work the same ? And eating tones of fat won’t then negatively effect you ?

Look up the targeted keto diet.

 

[Blakeyy]

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Depends on your goals really. Keto helped me lose a lot of weight and mentally I felt sharp. It helped my gut as well. I eventually hit a performance limit and switched back to carbs. I know you said carnivore but I think keto is close enough.

Stan Efferding points this out but it really struck home with me. Now this is probably going to be obvious to life long health people but he says the real reason keto works so well is because of adherence. That got me to thinking and it also has short term ramifications to cheating on a diet. If you cheat and have a bunch of carbs, you are kicked out of ketosis and it can take a while to get back in. There is nuance to that because as pointed out above, you can use the target carbs around workouts so that you limit the time kicked out. When I had an unhealthy relationship with food, once I kicked myself out of ketosis, I would just binge. So the same mechanism that was causing me to stay strict, gave me an excuse to derail for longer. Ultimately I accepted that I am a fat ass at heart and I don’t want to go through life dealing with inconveniences of the diet. With a carb diet if I have something I am not supposed to, no big deal, I just don’t let it happen too often and everything averages out through the week. Also, GLPs were not big when I was losing this weight. Now a low dose GLP gives a lot of advantages that a keto diet would provide. My diet now is more aligned with the vertical diet and I don’t have the stomach issues with it either.

That was my experience. As mentioned above, the “targeted” approach probably would be best for long term. For me long term was not sustainable. I would not hesitate to use it again if I needed it though. Great for improving the liver and inflammation.

2 goals , the main one is to gain muscle , secondary trying to lean down and stay lean at same time though , isn’t keto and carnivore just basically the same ? Ye it’s see am not a massive carb person but I don’t want to be so restricted to life that if after a workout session I can’t have a bowl of cereal if I want it on rare occasion's and so I think if your getting kicked out of the ketosis and you have ate tones of fat that day is could maybe just be a negative

Dunno , I might consider just doing a low carb diet and lower fat than what am currently on see how that goes , atleast if low carb diet and I want something I can have it or I can eat out with freinds or family , it is a little annoying as it’s defo helped my gut and I don’t have bloating even though eating tones of fat , but I am not a bodybuilder and I want to enjoy life to and I like to eat the odd thing here and there , carnivore is super restrictive but the benifits defo are good

 

[LGOP528]

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2 goals , the main one is to gain muscle , secondary trying to lean down and stay lean at same time though , isn’t keto and carnivore just basically the same ? Ye it’s see am not a massive carb person but I don’t want to be so restricted to life that if after a workout session I can’t have a bowl of cereal if I want it on rare occasion's and so I think if your getting kicked out of the ketosis and you have ate tones of fat that day is could maybe just be a negative

Dunno , I might consider just doing a low carb diet and lower fat than what am currently on see how that goes , atleast if low carb diet and I want something I can have it or I can eat out with freinds or family ,

I think of keto and carnivore as the same. I believe carnivore is just a little more restrictive.

That was where I ended up. I just had to get those wants in check. Honestly, I don’t want the sweets that much anymore. It trashes my gut right away and I just feel like shit.

I eat the same thing everyday. When you don’t have it available, you will be more likely to just go get shit food. There is discipline required for both diets. Just because you want it doesn’t mean you should eat it. I also compete in bjj tournaments. Having to step on a scale to be accountable really helped me as well.

 

[Blakeyy]

I think of keto and carnivore as the same. I believe carnivore is just a little more restrictive.

That was where I ended up. I just had to get those wants in check. Honestly, I don’t want the sweets that much anymore. It trashes my gut right away and I just feel like shit.

I eat the same thing everyday. When you don’t have it available, you will be more likely to just go get shit food. There is discipline required for both diets. Just because you want it doesn’t mean you should eat it. I also compete in bjj tournaments. Having to step on a scale to be accountable really helped me as well.

yup i know i defo feel better with the no carbs and higher fat, but at same time if am out with my partner i dont want to be scared to take a bite of a sandwich or something incase its takes me out the ketosis and the rest of the fat that day starts to get stored, its not often at all i ever go for the "unhealthy stuff" i enjoy the discipline and eating clean and training, But at the same time i do 1 or 2 times a month i do enjoy eating out with my gf or getting a movie night with some sweets,

i will look into just going high protein, low carb around 100grams and fats at around 100grams, just roughly and if am out and want a biscuit i can have it, or a bowl of cereal craving then ill have it as long as most of the days out the month are low carb and fat

 

[Ateam2023]

yup i know i defo feel better with the no carbs and higher fat, but at same time if am out with my partner i dont want to be scared to take a bite of a sandwich or something incase its takes me out the ketosis and the rest of the fat that day starts to get stored, its not often at all i ever go for the "unhealthy stuff" i enjoy the discipline and eating clean and training, But at the same time i do 1 or 2 times a month i do enjoy eating out with my gf or getting a movie night with some sweets,

i will look into just going high protein, low carb around 100grams and fats at around 100grams, just roughly and if am out and want a biscuit i can have it, or a bowl of cereal craving then ill have it as long as most of the days out the month are low carb and fat

ive had pretty good success with keeping my daily carb intake @100 g and fats on the lower side at @ 25-100 g , protein is always kept high , but its nice having a little leeway as far as carbs go, i do like to eat out for breakfast mostly,, Or have a beer at the golf course, ,

 

[404]

I’ve done strict carnivore but I like animal based better and feel way better

Meat, eggs, greek yogurt, fruit, honey and some red potatoes. Of course I have pizza or something here and there but this is sustainable and feels great. Easily maintain a lean physique and don’t feel hungry very often.

 

[AlexDavis43]

ive had pretty good success with keeping my daily carb intake @100 g and fats on the lower side at @ 25-100 g , protein is always kept high , but its nice having a little leeway as far as carbs go, i do like to eat out for breakfast mostly,, Or have a beer at the golf course, ,

I've seen your posts in the food thread, you sure that's 100 g carbs total daily?

With that level of dietary fat, you eating like 400 g protein to make up the calorie difference?

 

[Ateam2023]

I've seen your posts in the food thread, you sure that's 100 g carbs total daily?

With that level of dietary fat, you eating like 400 g protein to make up the calorie difference?

not in that one meal no , i eat at specific times of day also, before and after training etc,, i guess i should have said "upwards of 100g " like this morning for instance i had biscuits and gravy with my potatoes and eggs that was close to 65 carbs so maybe? "average" woulda been a better word eh?

 

[JC Grifter]

You think if you add carbs in though it will still work the same ? And eating tones of fat won’t then negatively effect you ?

If you add carbs it won’t affect you the same as if you didn’t eat them. That’s no longer the carnivore diet. It all comes down to your goals. For me I’m hesitate to add carbs back in at some point because my IBS is practically gone.

 

[jung]

25 months zero-carb carnivore here, until just a few days ago. Seriously had not one gram of carbs in that time period, no cheating, nothing. Fasting insulin on labwork of 4.3, A1c of 4.8, and fasting glucose of 78.

On 1/10/23, I was 370 pounds and around 50% body fat. I am now 235 at 24% body fat with a lot of loose skin. Met with a plastic surgeon, will need three surgeries including a fleur de lis. My goal is to be on stage competing in Masters 40+ late next year. It will happen.

I have finally hit a wall in performance in my lifts and wanted to give carb cycling a try to see how it would improve my strength. Only had a couple serious lifting sessions, so too early to tell.

My test is to ingest a bunch of carbs/protein before a lift, some honey during the lift, and another carb/protein meal after the lift; trying to leverage the insulin without the fat being present. I only do carnivore on rest days, or at least that's the plan.

-- Cardio 7 days a week, lifting 4-5 days a week (progressive overload).

-- Non-lifting/rest days meal; eggs, bacon, ground beef, prime NY strip.

-- Lifting day meal is simple, 10 oz sous vide chicken tenderloins, 210g of white rice (70g carbs) with a tiny sliver of butter for the rice.
-- Intra-workout; 2 tbsp of honey.
-- PWO; 12 more ounces of sous vide chicken tenderloins and another 210g of white rice (70g of carbs).

-- Have another meal at dinner of the same thing; more chicken and rice.

I have no idea if this will really work for me or not; I am really just gauging my strength/lift performance as the metric for success. I do know there is one professional bodybuilder that switched to carnivore 4 years ago and swears that his competitiveness has only gone up and his physique has improved since switching. Not that I am advocating one way or another, just sharing that is what he says.

I do wear a CGM to monitor blood sugar and will do that for the next 4-6 weeks as I continue this test.

 

[Muscles’]

I’d say I’m on a carnivore , low carb diet.

Happened naturally though. Didn’t plan it to be that way. Over the years I just naturally stopped eating carbs ( like rice or pasta ) for some reason.

Only thing that I find somewhat interesting, when I do add carbs to my diet such as a plate of pasta with dinner once in a blue moon my veins pop like a mother fucker. Almost instantly after consuming carbs, along with elevated heart rate.

If I were to snack on a peanut butter sandwich, same thing.


Thoughts ? Concerns ?

 

[Muscles’]

Speaking of carbs. Anyone see this study ?

 

[LGOP528]

High intensity performance and high training volume is why I switched to the vertical diet. It is just not even comparable.

 

[AlexDavis43]

High intensity performance and high training volume is why I switched to the vertical diet. It is just not even comparable.

Vertical is a pretty typical bodybuilding-style diet. Meat, white rice, and easily digestible carbs. No beans or brown rice. If anyone is familiar with a low FODMAPs diet, it's like that but higher protein.

If someone is trying to re-incorporate carbs into their keto/carni diet, seems like a good starting point. Big focus on GI comfort.

 

[LGOP528]

Vertical is a pretty typical bodybuilding-style diet. Meat, white rice, and easily digestible carbs. No beans or brown rice. If anyone is familiar with a low FODMAPs diet, it's like that but higher protein.

If someone is trying to re-incorporate carbs into their keto/carni diet, seems like a good starting point. Big focus on GI comfort.

My wife has a nutrition degree and when I started my rant about this new diet she said exactly that. It’s just the fodmap diet lol. Took the wind right out of my sail.

I mostly like it for its simplicity. I eat the same thing everyday, don’t have to think about it. I have more important things on my mind, like who I am going to piss off on meao today.

I will say I supplement a lot of minerals and vitamins because of the lack of vegetables.