Carrier Oils

[J DUGIN]

What oil is most commonly used? What is considered the best for your body?

My pharm test cyp uses cotton seed oil. I have used ugl aas with gso. Never had much of an issue with pip. Recently used PS test cyp, which is miglyol 840 and it gives me large lump, swelling and skin turns slightly red. Tried it for a couple weeks hoping it would get better but did not. Stopped using it.

I have read both sides, some saying carrier oils has nothing to do with pip while others
have similar experiences to mine. Being ugl, who knows exactly what is in the vial but if it is what it should be then I feel it is the mig oil that is giving me the issue.

Who else feels they have a bad reaction to mig oil?

 

[Evom1]

I love gso
Miglyol is hell
Cso cause allergic reaction
Mct is ok

 

[Dr JIM]

If solubility is not an issue a quality Pharmaceutical oil is highly recommended.

In additions bc legitimate Pharma oils are relatively inert the “reactions” some describe are either iatrogenic, the result of “raw” IMPURITIES, or are due to additives.

 

[AnTabolic73]

If solubility is not an issue a quality Pharmaceutical oil is highly recommended.

In additions bc legitimate Pharma oils are relatively inert the “reactions” some describe are either iatrogenic, the result of “raw” IMPURITIES, or are due to additives.

Oils made of what? And what role
would the oil play in solubility?




To @J DUGIN i use gso. I inquired in another thread about pumpkin seed oil. Has a lot of benefits. But I never heard of it being used for aas.

You wanna find something thin, so that it flows better, and that's cold pressed and natural. I've looked into grape seed, pumpkin seed, avocado oil, I've heard of some using coco oil too. I would just have to figure which is the thinnest.

 

[Dr JIM]

Oils made of what?

And what role
would the oil play in solubility?
.

That’s the point, since a variety of oils, (as in mono, di, or triglycerides) can be modified to optimize solute (in this case AAS) solvent compatibility in-vitro, while enabling dissolution in-vivo.

To that end rather than pursuing an optimal “mixture” on a purely trial and error basis pharmaceutical companies and chemists alike, better define solute/solvent relationships beforehand by correlating chemical characteristics with well established values such as Log-D, Log-P, flash points, melting points, PKa etc.

One classic example is the solubility differences bt Test-prop and Test-C or Nandrolone.

Another example is the solubility differences noted as a result of a process many have heard of called “hydrogenation”.

Finally additives such as Benzyl Alcohol, Benzyl Benzoate and many others can alter AAS solubility.

 

[PIZZABOY]

I used Testoviron depot by Bayer and they only listed castor oil. No ba or bb. Prior to this i used Pharmacon a couple years with no probs Test e300 then one vial gave me a bad allergic reaction. No idea what was in it. So now i have two Epi pins, owe thousands to hospitial, and credit took a hit.

 

[J DUGIN]

I used Testoviron depot by Bayer and they only listed castor oil. No ba or bb. Prior to this i used Pharmacon a couple years with no probs Test e300 then one vial gave me a bad allergic reaction. No idea what was in it. So now i have two Epi pins, owe thousands to hospitial, and credit took a hit.

That is scary!
I'm always worried about the first pinning off a fresh ugl vial. It's literally a roll of the dice.

 

[Dr JIM]

@PIZZABOY

Bc I’ve NEVER seen an AAS related “reaction” that required hospitalizatio, can you elaborate on those symptoms which, according to your docs, necessitate hospitalization?

Jim

 

[PIZZABOY]

Sure.i turned bright red,hands and face had intense burning prickly sensation. I puffed up like a blowfish,lips were numb, neck felt stiff, and was hard to catch my breath. Blotchy red patches across my back and chest.was not admitted, just iv benadryl, 2 doses and the adrenaline shot. Told to follow up with family doc, who recommended allergy tests, however at my age he wasnt to concerned.

 

[PIZZABOY]

I have been hospitalized with staph infections several times, a few were MRSA. Not related to AAS, more so to my DM and poor control on my part i believe.

 

[PIZZABOY]

I realy hope it was something else, and not my choice of test.it was just very hard to figure out, and i had heard of people having reactions to different oils. It seems as though these carrier oils keep getting more exotic all the timr

 

[Dr JIM]

Sure.i turned bright red,hands and face had intense burning prickly sensation. I puffed up like a blowfish,lips were numb, neck felt stiff, and was hard to catch my breath. Blotchy red patches across my back and chest.was not admitted, just iv benadryl, 2 doses and the adrenaline shot. Told to follow up with family doc, who recommended allergy tests, however at my age he wasnt to concerned.

Yea you warranted admission, lol.

 

[Test_Subject]

It seems like Mig 840 and Ethyl Oleate are the worst offenders for causing reactions. Some people just don't respond to them well.

Aside from those two, the common carrier oils (GSO, MCT, CSO, castor oil, safflower etc.) shouldn't affect PIP unless you inject a thin oil too quickly. If you blast 3ml of MCT oil into your quad in ten seconds, it's going to hurt like fuck.

 

[Dr JIM]

I realy hope it was something else, and not my choice of test.it was just very hard to figure out, and i had heard of people having reactions to different oils. It seems as though these carrier oils keep getting more exotic all the timr

Exotic or new is rarely if ever “better” especially in the absence of clinical trials, and the latter best explains why Pharma related AAS “reactions”
are few a far between IME.

And it’s for this reason a more prudent approach would be to use the same oils and additives as Big Pharma whenever possible.

Jim

 

[Dr JIM]

But then again since I tend to embrace a more risk adverse
approach to the use of PEDs, I’ll be the first to admit it’s difficult for me, and MANY others, to understand the mindset of those who believe it’s ALL just one big experiment.

 

[stevonov]

here is a quote after a search on e.o.
Ethyl oleate is one of the fatty acid ethyl esters (FAEE) that is formed in the body after ingestion of ethanol. There is a growing body of research literature that implicates FAEEs such as ethyl oleate as the toxic mediators of ethanol in the body (pancreas, liver, heart, and brain).

 

[stevonov]

and I don't know if you call it a reaction but I have been hospitalized after shots with to much bb or ba. knicked a vein and had immediate pain turned out to be pancreatitis.

 

[stevonov]

basically anytime I feel "tren cough" a pancreatitis episode follows. has nothing to do with tren but to much solvent. initial aspiration always fine but now I aspirate a few times as I slowly inject to make sure.

 

[CompoundLifts31]

What oil is most commonly used? What is considered the best for your body?

My pharm test cyp uses cotton seed oil. I have used ugl aas with gso. Never had much of an issue with pip. Recently used PS test cyp, which is miglyol 840 and it gives me large lump, swelling and skin turns slightly red. Tried it for a couple weeks hoping it would get better but did not. Stopped using it.

I have read both sides, some saying carrier oils has nothing to do with pip while others
have similar experiences to mine. Being ugl, who knows exactly what is in the vial but if it is what it should be then I feel it is the mig oil that is giving me the issue.

Who else feels they have a bad reaction to mig oil?

Mig840 is q superior oil. Very thin and can hold more mgs/ml. I've never had any issues with Mig840. Maybe you're allergic.

 

[J DUGIN]

Mig840 is q superior oil. Very thin and can hold more mgs/ml. I've never had any issues with Mig840. Maybe you're allergic.

Im thinking so. I've tried 2 different ugl test cyp using mig840 and both gave me the same results.