Cheap gear suppliers... sub $30 vials

[bigpoppachump]

Does anyone else around here steer clear of these new Super cheap suppliers? I mean do you guys really feel confident paying $25 or less for a bottle of test or the like from relatively unknown sources? I see it and run but some folks jump right in the fire, I don't get it.

 

[Evom1]

Does anyone else around here steer clear of these new Super cheap suppliers? I mean do you guys really feel confident paying $25 or less for a bottle of test or the like from relatively unknown sources? I see it and run but some folks jump right in the fire, I don't get it.

When it costs $5-8 to make a vial, $25 still gives them a good profit.

Two approaches as a seller. Make your stuff cheap and entice people that way

Make your stuff expensive and have people say oh well that stuff must be good at that price.

Either strategy, some people will question

 

[bigpoppachump]

When it costs $5-8 to make a vial, $25 still gives them a good profit.

Two approaches as a seller. Make your stuff cheap and entice people that way

Make your stuff expensive and have people say oh well that stuff must be good at that price.

Either strategy, some people will question

I've yet to see one of these guys stay on the up and up for very long. Hammer/prime, mastersgear these two are off the top of my head and a couple others that escape my shotty memory

 

[ulfbehrt]

I don't believe price reflects on quality at all. If a small op acts professional and has their prices lower than most I don't see that as a red flag. It's what's inside that counts to me and I could give two shits about some fancy ass label/hologram. A nice n simple clear label that describes what's inside is good enough for me, but some people like glossy and shiny stuff(SQUIRREL lol)and some think the more you pay the better the product, but that's not usually the case. I hit up walmart and no frills and I save damn near $75/week on food compared to going to Sobey's/Safeway and the sort and I'm buying the exact same products lol.

$55-$65 CAN for a bottle of test-e is fucking outrageous IMHO, but there's also supply and demand I get that of course. This is why I LOVE brewing my own at home for a fraction of the cost, plus I never get pip and it's just stupid fun on a friday night lol.

 

[master.on]

Does anyone else around here steer clear of these new Super cheap suppliers? I mean do you guys really feel confident paying $25 or less for a bottle of test or the like from relatively unknown sources? I see it and run but some folks jump right in the fire, I don't get it.

Some int'l sources still sell decent gear for that
but you have to add shipping costs.

As for Dom
forget it
only if it comes from a well known (and jacked) gym buddy.
If that.

 

[bigpoppachump]

I don't believe price reflects on quality at all. If a small op acts professional and has their prices lower than most I don't see that as a red flag. It's what's inside that counts to me and I could give two shits about some fancy ass label/hologram. A nice n simple clear label that describes what's inside is good enough for me, but some people like glossy and shiny stuff(SQUIRREL lol)and some think the more you pay the better the product, but that's not usually the case. I hit up walmart and no frills and I save damn near $75/week on food compared to going to Sobey's/Safeway and the sort and I'm buying the exact same products lol.

$55-$65 CAN for a bottle of test-e is fucking outrageous IMHO, but there's also supply and demand I get that of course. This is why I LOVE brewing my own at home for a fraction of the cost, plus I never get pip and it's just stupid fun on a friday night lol.

I agree that $55+ a bottle for test e is nuts. I stay in the $35 to $45 rage per bottle and will ask about discounts on bulk
But to me charging $25 for a bottle of test domestically with all the risk involved is pretty dumb. Lots of guys always throw up the fact raws are cheap so cheap gear is still highly profitable, but the equipment and supply needed add up and then you factor in the time spent brewing and filtering correctly so that should be taken into account. To me cheap gear makes me think that the person is too risky and doesn't take it seriously the risk vs reward aspect, or they are cutting corners or underdosing, or they use the cheap price to continue doing business despite shitty service.

This is all just an opinion based on observation.

 

[bigpoppachump]

When it costs $5-8 to make a vial, $25 still gives them a good profit.

Two approaches as a seller. Make your stuff cheap and entice people that way

Make your stuff expensive and have people say oh well that stuff must be good at that price.

Either strategy, some people will question

Or the 3rd approach....

1.Answer questions honestly and promptly
2.Accurately dose your shit
3.Brew sterile gear
4.And price accordingly with other domestics
5.Have reasonable shipping times
6.And cover yours and your customers asses by being safe

Be patient, if all the above stay consistant the business will come

 

[marco11]

Test shouldn't cost much at all. It's the cheapest raw you can get so paying 50+ is stupid and paying 80-100$ is even worse.. But like anything else some people don't have the right connections and the newbies are usually the ones who get fucked over by paying out of the ass.

 

[ulfbehrt]

I agree that $55+ a bottle for test e is nuts. I stay in the $35 to $45 rage per bottle and will ask about discounts on bulk
But to me charging $25 for a bottle of test domestically with all the risk involved is pretty dumb. Lots of guys always throw up the fact raws are cheap so cheap gear is still highly profitable, but the equipment and supply needed add up and then you factor in the time spent brewing and filtering correctly so that should be taken into account. To me cheap gear makes me think that the person is too risky and doesn't take it seriously the risk vs reward aspect, or they are cutting corners or underdosing, or they use the cheap price to continue doing business despite shitty service.

This is all just an opinion based on observation.

Larger operations have employees that need to be payed thus higher prices, but those employees are also added risk as they can easily rat out if upset or busted where as a single person operation has no employees and can thus offer lower prices. This is the way I see it. I've brewed for a select few buddies in the past including myself of course and I've never cut corners and everyone was more than happy with what I gave them.

100 grams of test-p is $88 and say another $300 for 100 sterile vials plus another say $150 for everything else needed to make a finished product. That's a total of $538 from start to finish and If I charged $25 per vial minus the production cost that would leave me with $1962 for my trouble. Short esters and bases you can make a huge profit with little put in and larger esters like tren-e and nandro-cyp can still make a darn good profit for a single person operation. I usually brewed everything in 50ml vials for buddies so my calculations might be a little off, but if someone wanted to run a small op with low prices they could do so without cutting any corners even when it comes to labels. Those brother label makers make damn good clear ones from what I've seen here and I prefer the clear ones compared to the expensive ones most labs use, but I'm a simple man.

My point being to me price doesn't reflect quality, but I think the professionalism of the owner/rep does! If your rep/owner acts like a fuck tard and seems shady then chances are they are shady, but if they are prompt and caring then I think they would be the same way when brewing.

 

[master.on]

Test shouldn't cost much at all. It's the cheapest raw you can get so paying 50+ is stupid and paying 80-100$ is even worse.. But like anything else some people don't have the right connections and the newbies are usually the ones who get fucked over by paying out of the ass.

Virtually all gym bros are selling for $75-$100 a vial to newbies, and they can't keep up with the demand.

Larger operations have employees that need to be payed thus higher prices, but those employees are also added risk as they can easily rat out if upset or busted where as a single person operation has no employees and can thus offer lower prices. This is the way I see it. I've brewed for a select few buddies in the past including myself of course and I've never cut corners and everyone was more than happy with what I gave them.

100 grams of test-p is $88 and say another $300 for 100 sterile vials plus another say $150 for everything else needed to make a finished product. That's a total of $538 from start to finish and If I charged $25 per vial minus the production cost that would leave me with $1962 for my trouble. Short esters and bases you can make a huge profit with little put in and larger esters like tren-e and nandro-cyp can still make a darn good profit for a single person operation. I usually brewed everything in 50ml vials for buddies so my calculations might be a little off, but if someone wanted to run a small op with low prices they could do so without cutting any corners even when it comes to labels. Those brother label makers make damn good clear ones from what I've seen here and I prefer the clear ones compared to the expensive ones most labs use, but I'm a simple man.

My point being to me price doesn't reflect quality, but I think the professionalism of the owner/rep does! If your rep/owner acts like a fuck tard and seems shady then chances are they are shady, but if they are prompt and caring then I think they would be the same way when brewing.

Did you mean Dom or Int'l?

A new int'l source can well sell for $25 or $30 to introduce itself,
but selling Dom for $25?
Hell, I would never sell Dom (or int'l), not even for $1000. But a fool is born every day, they say.

 

[ulfbehrt]

Virtually all gym bros are selling for $75-$100 a vial to newbies, and they can't keep up with the demand.



Did you mean Dom or Int'l?

A new int'l source can well sell for $25 or $30 to introduce itself,
but selling Dom for $25?
Hell, I would never sell Dom (or int'l), not even for $1000. But a fool is born every day, they say.

Domestic. Not sure I understand you though bro.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

Does anyone else around here steer clear of these new Super cheap suppliers? I mean do you guys really feel confident paying $25 or less for a bottle of test or the like from relatively unknown sources? I see it and run but some folks jump right in the fire, I don't get it.

I only buy directly at the candy store, I mean the pharmacy, when I'm in Asia - and basic Test C or E from a major firm like Alpha-Pharma (Tesotbolin, 250mg/ml - yes, still technically UGL but...) runs $25 per 10ml vial.

There's clearly a couple middlemen there - it's made in India, brought into Thailand by some wholesaler, and then to the pharmacies. I think the pharmacy where I buy has a pretty straight connection to the Thai distributor because they move a LOT of gear. So yeah, $25 buys you top notch UGL gear outside the US, can't say anything about domestic.