Chest Tips

[Grizzly]

Olympic lifters as in the sport of of Olympic lifting. Not Olympic-level Olympic lifters. You know, those who do the clean and jerk and the snatch.

I don't see what muscle memory has to do with this discussion at all.

No, I don't agree that you need to change up. Obviously, one would want to vary their workout periodically to address weak points, but that could be as simple as adding in RDL's while removing DL's from the 5X5 as is listed above.

No, I don't think the 5X5 is less than adequate for size gains. How could you possibly argue otherwise? The exercises included in the Meso incarnation of the 5X5 are the cream of the crop as far as mass builders go. How could anything top that?

 

[hendrixsolo]

the 5X5 program should only be done for a short periud of time if your trying to increase strength and change your workout. Otherwise, u'll over train that body part and undertrain others.. its commen sense. Seriously, what do you think BB's do??????????????????????? they especially dont do 5X5 program. And spending 6 months researching a cycle is extremly important.. especially since i'd like it to be my last. I dont wanna be on juice forever.. i train hard, keep training hard, only will use it if i have to, the way juice should be used.

no offense goku, but you're 6'2 and you only weigh 197 right now...and you've already done a cycle?

I think you're talking out of your ass or out of the ass of your twin trainer friends.

i train hard, keep training hard, only will use it if i have to, the way juice should be used.

Based on your stats, you really have no need to juice at all. You're probably over-training, or just training the wrong way cause you're not that strong, and not that big and you've juiced?

The 5x5 system is awesome. Don't talk shit about mods or long time members' advice when you've never used it.

I do use the 5x5 system. I've worked out all natural so far and I'm definitely not in the genetic elite.

And I'm bigger than you.

Stronger too.

As far as the BB/powerlifting debate goes, check out https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134237585

Why get bigger if you're not getting stronger?

 

[Girth]

Yeah I know I said I'd bow out. But I want to try and play Smoky the Bear here. Goku....since your goal is BB and not strength, I'll address it in your terms.

1. How long have you been training.....continually?

2. How many lean pounds have you gained over this time? In the last year?

3. What are your current stats.....for BB purposes....ht, wt, bf%?

4. What authors training protocols have you followed.

5. What does your diet consist of? Daily totals will be fine.

Answer those, and perhaps we will shut up. Or perhaps we can offer some advice if you are willing to take it.

 

[Goku]

My goal isn't BB.. Its to be in the best physical shape possible. I'm an former D1 athlete. WR. being 6'1 197 to me, is almost perfect after my football career. I'd like to be 210 at the MOST. I just posted i got my BF% checked at 9.8% Which ain't bad at all. i'm extremly pleased w/ it. Maxing out at 315 ain't that strong? it isn't the strongest, but don't say it ain't that strong.. I played D1 reciever, putting up 315 ain't that bad. and my diet is extremly extremly strict. I get at least 1.2g of protien X lean mass which is about 215. I get around 250-275 grams of carbs a day.. all before 6 pm. and i limit my fat as most as i can.

You guys wanna talk about powerlifting? Theres a gym where i'm orignally from that has two guys i know that lift there. A guy they call Blaze who puts up 800 and a guy named Jeff thats puts up 790 and only weighs 260.. you guys want some powerlifting advice, ask them.

hendrixsolo, no offense, but w/ a face that beat up, you get girls?

 

[Goku]

W/ ALL that said and friendly debating, since u guys obviously think you're all experts on how to much the most mass on possible, what lifting schedule would you giving someone who does Chest, Bi's, Tri's shoulders and Back twice a week and legs once a week on juice (Physcially cannot do legs twice a week, Quadricepts tendenitis from football)

 

[Grizzly]

In a nutshell, bench, rows, deadlifts, RDL's, chins, squats. Don't got to failure.

Deadlift once. Bench twice. Row twice. Maybe chin thrice. RDL twice. Squat once. Oh yeah, and lots of OHP's or maybe push presses.

Arms shouldn't need more than a few sets. Straight bar curls. Maybe hammer curls. Triceps: skull crushers.

 

[hendrixsolo]

hendrixsolo, no offense, but w/ a face that beat up, you get girls?

updated my pic, and yes I get so much pussy it's falling out of my pockets.

plus the girls like seeing a real man who can get his nose broken and lose a few teeth with a smile.

plus I don't lose, and I never tap out. back off.

Seriously.

 

[hendrixsolo]

In a nutshell, bench, rows, deadlifts, RDL's, chins, squats. Don't got to failure.

Deadlift once. Bench twice. Row twice. Maybe chin thrice. RDL twice. Squat once. Oh yeah, and lots of OHP's or maybe push presses.

Arms shouldn't need more than a few sets. Straight bar curls. Maybe hammer curls. Triceps: skull crushers.

Why not work to failure? That's a new one for me, I'm seriously asking...

 

[Grizzly]

Several reasons. One, it will produce no markedly better gains than training to near failure. Two, when using a high frequency routine, going to failure will eventually induce overtraining and/or less than desireable results.

This is particularly relevant in light of the added demands on the CNS when using high frequency training. If you're constantly taking everything to failure, then your CNS is getting beat to shit and eventually it will take a shit and your training will stall out.

 

[hendrixsolo]

Good man, thanks for the info. On bench I'll do 275 for 5x5, but on the last set or two I usually only get to 4. I stay with this weight until I can pump out the complete 5x5, then I'll bump up to 280.

That isn't the kind of total failure you're talking about, is it?

I figured you meant that doing burnout sets to failure after regular sets...let me know

 

[Grizzly]

Yeah, if that's what happens, then that's what happens. If you fail on the last rep of the last set, then that's cool. It's just hitting failure every set of every workout that gets to be overkill.