Christians and taking roids!!!

[killiob]

Those who are devoted Christians, how do you guys feel about taking steroids. I have been really thinking about that lately, I know this topic has been talked about before, but I can't seem to stop thinking about it. I really don't know what to think, that is why I am asking my meso bros how they feel about this topic.

thanks

killiob

 

[spound]

Well to me it is obvious that taking steroids is a sin. It can be harmful to your body (no matter what some say) and they are against the law. Unfortunately, i have been kind of struggling in my walk lately, compared to other times in the past (i know every christian has their time astray) and things aren't running as smoothly as usual. I knwo steroids are wrong and i justify it by telling myself...well i dont really drink nor do i smoke so it is ok for me to juice...which i know is not true, but it is my sin that i struggle with. But to me all sins are equal so it would be the same as drinking a little too much or smoking, but still not the right thing to do.

 

[esco]

there will be alot of different answers on this ... everbody has to deal with their own sins ... but i know when i do decide to stop and i do ask forgiveness for it, it will be forgiven ... i am not trying to justify doing it, but at the same time i am not asking for forgiveness now, knowing that i would only keep taking. maybe doesn't make total sense but that is how i look at it for myself ...

 

[ramboj70]

there will be alot of different answers on this ... everbody has to deal with their own sins ... but i know when i do decide to stop and i do ask forgiveness for it, it will be forgiven ... i am not trying to justify doing it, but at the same time i am not asking for forgiveness now, knowing that i would only keep taking. maybe doesn't make total sense but that is how i look at it for myself ...

just dont say anything and keep it to yourself

 

[killiob]

Well to me it is obvious that taking steroids is a sin. It can be harmful to your body (no matter what some say) and they are against the law. Unfortunately, i have been kind of struggling in my walk lately, compared to other times in the past (i know every christian has their time astray) and things aren't running as smoothly as usual. I knwo steroids are wrong and i justify it by telling myself...well i dont really drink nor do i smoke so it is ok for me to juice...which i know is not true, but it is my sin that i struggle with. But to me all sins are equal so it would be the same as drinking a little too much or smoking, but still not the right thing to do.

That is what i tell myself too. Its one of the few things that I have been struggling with too, I have been trying to recommit myself to God but this is one struggle that i have been going back and forth with this past few months. I know that we will struggle with sin till the day we die, so I guess this is just one of the sins I will have to deal with in my life. Thanks for the replies bros, its good to hear it from other guys like me.

thanks
killiob

 

[thick]

i would honestly say it is wrong. God gave you the amount of test he wants you to have but who knows. He also instilled in you the disease of wanting to be the biggest and the best knowing that you will do anything to meet this goal including AAS so i guess it isnt wrong

 

[Neodavid]

I know this is a hard topic for a lot of guys, because of the lies they've been taught in churches, but I can tell you the answer immediately, and then explain why it's so.

Whatsoever is not of faith, is sin.

We used to be under the law, and are now free. HOWEVER, God makes it abundantly clear that we now live by RELATIONSHIP to him, by knowing him personally. If we don't, we are under the law yet.

Relationally speaking, means you have to ask him to find out the answer, and only he can answer you. If you can't hear him, don't know how to feel him, then you are too young in the faith, or have absorbed the lies of the church, which is still eating from the tree of knowledge, rather than from the tree of life.

People in the church don't realize it any more than the pharisee's of old did, who thought THEY were rightious. Now men think they are rightious because they know this theory that Jesus saves.

well, Jesus doesn't do squat for you if you only know it in your head, and have no personal relationship with him. It's the difference between knowing about the king, and being his son.

If you know Jesus for real, he speaks to you. If not, you got nothing. Most people I know who think they are saved, are as lost as hell and will be in hell, all the time having believed they were okay.

All guys who talk about 'sin' and bring up anything other than knowing the spirit, following his love, his heart, are babies, lie believers, or lost.
I think most of them are lost, in that after your heart has been changed, you have a hunger for Christ, for his heart, to know him, etc.

IF you know him, the law disappears, and that shadow is replaced by love, by Christ, by the real thing itself. THEN, you ask him what is right or wrong for you to do, what he wants you to do. THAT determines whether is it right or wrong.

If you do hear him and you ask, and he doesn't give what seems to be a solid reply, I've found it's his way of saying, "Hey, that's part of being a kid and deciding what you want to do that day".

But as Roman's says, whatever is not of faith, is sin. That means it's your conscience that guides you (science means 'knowledge, con mean's 'with'), and if Christ is not in charge of you, then the law is.

I'll say it this way. NOTHING is a sin in and of itself. What always matters is the motivation, the heart behind it.

If you are worried about 'the law', then you should not do steroids. If you understand what I've said, ask God, and he will tell you.

Those who are devoted Christians, how do you guys feel about taking steroids. I have been really thinking about that lately, I know this topic has been talked about before, but I can't seem to stop thinking about it. I really don't know what to think, that is why I am asking my meso bros how they feel about this topic.

thanks

killiob

 

[esco]

neo that was very deep .. and has made me think a lot deeper into this and myself. after reading what you wrote i found my answer, thanks.

I know this is a hard topic for a lot of guys, because of the lies they've been taught in churches, but I can tell you the answer immediately, and then explain why it's so.

Whatsoever is not of faith, is sin.

We used to be under the law, and are now free. HOWEVER, God makes it abundantly clear that we now live by RELATIONSHIP to him, by knowing him personally. If we don't, we are under the law yet.

Relationally speaking, means you have to ask him to find out the answer, and only he can answer you. If you can't hear him, don't know how to feel him, then you are too young in the faith, or have absorbed the lies of the church, which is still eating from the tree of knowledge, rather than from the tree of life.

People in the church don't realize it any more than the pharisee's of old did, who thought THEY were rightious. Now men think they are rightious because they know this theory that Jesus saves.

well, Jesus doesn't do squat for you if you only know it in your head, and have no personal relationship with him. It's the difference between knowing about the king, and being his son.

If you know Jesus for real, he speaks to you. If not, you got nothing. Most people I know who think they are saved, are as lost as hell and will be in hell, all the time having believed they were okay.

All guys who talk about 'sin' and bring up anything other than knowing the spirit, following his love, his heart, are babies, lie believers, or lost.
I think most of them are lost, in that after your heart has been changed, you have a hunger for Christ, for his heart, to know him, etc.

IF you know him, the law disappears, and that shadow is replaced by love, by Christ, by the real thing itself. THEN, you ask him what is right or wrong for you to do, what he wants you to do. THAT determines whether is it right or wrong.

If you do hear him and you ask, and he doesn't give what seems to be a solid reply, I've found it's his way of saying, "Hey, that's part of being a kid and deciding what you want to do that day".

But as Roman's says, whatever is not of faith, is sin. That means it's your conscience that guides you (science means 'knowledge, con mean's 'with'), and if Christ is not in charge of you, then the law is.

I'll say it this way. NOTHING is a sin in and of itself. What always matters is the motivation, the heart behind it.

If you are worried about 'the law', then you should not do steroids. If you understand what I've said, ask God, and he will tell you.

 

[Neodavid]

???

Dude, that sounds SO religious... (but I don't know exactly what you meant yet either, just talking, you know).

Forget religion, this is a relationship. If you aren't so in love with God you can't stand it when he's not there, you aren't even saved.

Most people who speak like you though, mean really, commit themselves to the church and doing what pastor says. That is just plain sinful. It's why Christ came in the first place, to get us away from that crap, into a personal relationship.

Skip organized religion, get together with some bro's who just love God, and let him guide you. THAT is real church. This crap we have in America is a joke, leading men to follow men rather than God, letting other men decide what is right and wrong, etc.

What do you want to know, bro?

The answer is in God and you, not anyone else. NO ONE else can tell you what you should and shouldn't do. Corinthians says, "The rightious man cannot be judged by any other man". This is a God thing. No man may judge you dude, not if they are a christian.

But most christians in America believe lies rather than the simple words of Jesus, because they don't even know him. They believe in religion, but don't know God.

Your question to me sounds like this...

Is a gun wrong?

See, it makes no sense. The gun is just a thing. What you do with it, what is in your heart, THAT is what matters.

If you like to target practice or hunt, guns are FANTASTIC and a hell of a lot of fun.

If you hate someone and want to kill them, well, that ain't loving, so it's wrong.

The gun is just a thing. AAS is just a thing.

That is what i tell myself too. Its one of the few things that I have been struggling with too, I have been trying to recommit myself to God but this is one struggle that i have been going back and forth with this past few months. I know that we will struggle with sin till the day we die, so I guess this is just one of the sins I will have to deal with in my life. Thanks for the replies bros, its good to hear it from other guys like me.

thanks
killiob

 

[Neodavid]

Thanks man, someone getting that, is worth everything to me. It's the reason I live. You just made my day, and made me weep.

neo that was very deep .. and has made me think a lot deeper into this and myself. after reading what you wrote i found my answer, thanks.

 

[dolfe1]

Ey Neo, speak of the devil. lol

 

[dolfe1]

BTW I only have a minute and haven't read this thread yet, I will read it later.

 

[killiob]

Thank you for your reply Neo, I agree with some of the points you made. I believe the same way you do, that you need a personal relationshiop with God. I have been reading the book, The Purpose driven Life, and it talks about the same points that you brought up in your reply. Your reply really touched me too. Thank you for taking the time to respond to my thread. I will probably be asking for more of your thoughts about this topic and other related topics, if you don't mind.

Thanks and God bless

killiob

 

[Neodavid]

Heh heh heh...

I SHALL speak of him (grin), come to think of it...

The devil is a liar who's power was broken at the cross. All he can do now is lie. His power is only in his lies... if you believe the lies, you are under his power.

What are his lies?

Ah, says he, "Go to church and obey the law! Yes, this is the way to salvation! Believe that Jesus died for you, but do not believe his other words, for they are confusing! Keeping the law is simple, and it lets your evil heart stay far from God. You can speak of loving him and I will not bother you. But if you start loving him, I will send all manner of confusion against you, until you simply submit to the law, for as long as you are under the law, you are powerless and weak. You are in my matrix, and of no threat".

Inside, he trembles when he see's a christian say, "God, I don't understand it all, I don't know right from wrong, but I know I want to love you, and love my neighbor... I will seek you every moment of every day, please speak to me and guide me, please be my lover, my friend, my everything..."

"NO NO NO!!!!", says the evil one, "I cannot bear the light!!! I must flee! This one resists me!"

Oh, if only men would believe the words of Jesus, "If you love God with all of your heart, and your neighbor as yourself, you have fullfilled ALL of the law, including the prophets." (the bible, if you will, if he spoke modern English).

Satan loves a man with head knowledge and a selfish heart that is interested in saving his own ass by 'being rightious' before God by obeying the law.

God, on the other hand, is interested in a lover, and man, when you love God, he is interested in the bedroom. He's looking for a Bride, and when you are looking for a bride, you don't want one that's all prim proper and law abiding. You want someone in LOVE with you, who would do ANYTHING for you, someone who understands you are the KING, and you ARE the law... And who wants to know your every whim, for they see you as the perfect everything, the loving heart, the tender mercy, the hottest most interesting person in the universe.

God is a wild man, not some asshole with a baseball bat waiting to smack you when you do wrong. He's FUN FUN FUN with three capital F's.
He's cool, he's smart, he's creative, and he's freaking NUTS compared to the way the boring old church of man portrays him.

God is the best friend you could ever have, and he LOVES to fuck with you. Heaven is more like "Practical jokes are us", cause he likes to play.

You know, Jesus said unless we become like small children, we cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Small children can't read, can't follow rules, don't know SHIT, but they are great little people to be with. That's what God wants. That's why he had Jesus set us free.

Speak of the devil...

(grin)

Ey Neo, speak of the devil. lol

 

[pumppumppuk]

here is my .02

forget mans laws and stick to god's laws. gear is legal in some countries

so, are roids against god's will? lets look at the gray area.

if i was a fatass that's against gods will, but what if i supplemented my body with gear, and became fit. now whats the answer?

is stuffing your face daily with fast foods and becoming fat a sin....yes.
is eating fast food occasionally, while maintaing a fit body a sin.....no

if i have a glass of wine today a sin......i dont believe so
if i get to a state of being drunk a sin.......yes


so the bottom line imo is to what extent. if you pass the line from improving your body to harming your body....you are in sin, but if you stay within the area of improving your body or fitness your not in sin.

if you use gear in a competition or sport to try to gain advantage over competition you are in sin...not because of the gear, but because of fraud.





gear is a medication that can help or hurt. if you are abusing or hurting you are in sin.


PPP

 

[lancea9847]

best thread ever!!!

finally some good converstion amongst the bro`s

 

[borderbound]

steroids are only a object

do you do them because you have a problem /sin ....with VANITY
....with lust of women
.....with lust of power

 

[Meat Train]

Religious thread ehh?

Relate gear to food-- in some countries, eating certain meats is sacriligious-- some countries it is illegal. Gear is just a type of food you choose to give to yourself-- some people eat other people.

Let's not forget that right now people are being killed in another land-- what kind of thoughst do you think the killers who are "doing their job" are thinking about? Our problems are the least to worry about.

 

[spound]

hey killibob- I read most of that book this year as well, and i thought it was great, but i kinda got lost in some of the stuff talking about the church...Another book I recommend you read is called WILD AT HEART. It is AWESOME.
Back to the topic- Another thing i have thought about though is the fact that God has put Ronnie Coleman (a massive man who in turn will be able to influence many people) in such a position to to be so influential about the gospel. God put Ronnie in that position so that he could spread the Word of God, but Ronnie never could have gotten there without gear. Many people look up to Ronnie for his sheer size and work ethic (especially young people), and when Ronnie won the olympia all he did was tlak about God and how everyone should give the lord a try and he could have never gotten where he was today without God. I dunno just something to think about.

 

[MJM]

I would just keep it to myself and not tell anyone.It is no one elses business unless you make it theirs.