Christians and taking roids!!!

killiob said:
Those who are devoted Christians, how do you guys feel about taking steroids. I have been really thinking about that lately, I know this topic has been talked about before, but I can't seem to stop thinking about it. I really don't know what to think, that is why I am asking my meso bros how they feel about this topic.

thanks

killiob
i went to 12 years of catholic school- not fun:)
religion has to do with what is morally wrong not legally wrong steroids are illegal but the moral aspect is personal belief.. it isnt anymore harmfull than taking other prescriptions...when i was praying to GOD one night he told me his best cycle was 2000mgs of prop a week, 1000mgs of eq a week, and 100mgs of anadrol a day.. And sure enough he was right....thank you lord:)
 
With an avatar like yours I can't imagine where you came up with that philosophy.

(grin)


MJM said:
I would just keep it to myself and not tell anyone.It is no one elses business unless you make it theirs.
 
Neodavid said:
With an avatar like yours I can't imagine where you came up with that philosophy.

(grin)

Neo, there are smiley faces, you don't have to type grin all the time. :D
 
This is something I wrote for a friend of mine awhile back....

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I told myself..It's legal in "most" countries of the world (It's Not legal in the one that I reside in.... Romans 13:1-7 ). I'm doing this because it's "healthy" (it's not healthy and it's the cause for most of the health problems that I have... 1 Timothy 4) "I'm doing this because I want to compete" (I did it because I wanted to be bigger and stronger than anyone else, and I was willing to go to any means to achieve it, whatever it took to be Better than someone else..that means I was full of vanity and pride.... PROV 16:18) I could still serve God and do this one little thing for myself and it wouldn't distract me from doing God's work (I was serving myself, and not God, it not only distracted me from serving the Lord, it made me incapable of witnessing to others......I actually want to elaborate on this, If a Man tells you that he doesn't want to hear what you have to say about God, because He knows that you're a steroid user, and that you frequently lie to others EVEN your own family,...That stood as a wake up call! How can I expect anyone to listen to me about them giving up the Sin in their life and coming to Christ, when they know that I am certainly not giving up my own sin, by using illegal drugs, being deceitful, and hiding things from my family and from my church, and from my friends... Luke 6:41-42 ... Ephesians 5:12-13)

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It's just something to think about
 
Phreezer said:
This is something I wrote for a friend of mine awhile back....

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I told myself..It's legal in "most" countries of the world (It's Not legal in the one that I reside in.... Romans 13:1-7 ). I'm doing this because it's "healthy" (it's not healthy and it's the cause for most of the health problems that I have... 1 Timothy 4) "I'm doing this because I want to compete" (I did it because I wanted to be bigger and stronger than anyone else, and I was willing to go to any means to achieve it, whatever it took to be Better than someone else..that means I was full of vanity and pride.... PROV 16:18) I could still serve God and do this one little thing for myself and it wouldn't distract me from doing God's work (I was serving myself, and not God, it not only distracted me from serving the Lord, it made me incapable of witnessing to others......I actually want to elaborate on this, If a Man tells you that he doesn't want to hear what you have to say about God, because He knows that you're a steroid user, and that you frequently lie to others EVEN your own family,...That stood as a wake up call! How can I expect anyone to listen to me about them giving up the Sin in their life and coming to Christ, when they know that I am certainly not giving up my own sin, by using illegal drugs, being deceitful, and hiding things from my family and from my church, and from my friends... Luke 6:41-42 ... Ephesians 5:12-13)

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It's just something to think about

That is a very good point Phreezer, and that is exactly why i am confused right now but i guess that is part of growing spirtually. I appreciate everybody's reply, it has help me a lot to here from my good meso bros. Hey Spound I will try to read that book, sounds like it will be a good book just like the one i am reading now.

thanks
killiob
 
Phreezer said:
This is something I wrote for a friend of mine awhile back....

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I told myself..It's legal in "most" countries of the world (It's Not legal in the one that I reside in.... Romans 13:1-7 ). I'm doing this because it's "healthy" (it's not healthy and it's the cause for most of the health problems that I have... 1 Timothy 4) "I'm doing this because I want to compete" (I did it because I wanted to be bigger and stronger than anyone else, and I was willing to go to any means to achieve it, whatever it took to be Better than someone else..that means I was full of vanity and pride.... PROV 16:18) I could still serve God and do this one little thing for myself and it wouldn't distract me from doing God's work (I was serving myself, and not God, it not only distracted me from serving the Lord, it made me incapable of witnessing to others......I actually want to elaborate on this, If a Man tells you that he doesn't want to hear what you have to say about God, because He knows that you're a steroid user, and that you frequently lie to others EVEN your own family,...That stood as a wake up call! How can I expect anyone to listen to me about them giving up the Sin in their life and coming to Christ, when they know that I am certainly not giving up my own sin, by using illegal drugs, being deceitful, and hiding things from my family and from my church, and from my friends... Luke 6:41-42 ... Ephesians 5:12-13)

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It's just something to think about
Now this is a good post....of course using gear is a sin, it's NOT good for the temple(which is your body) and causes a plethra of other problems as well....however, we all sin...everyone, everyday. None of us can cast a stone...but, Christians can be and will be....FORGIVEN.
 
phreezer has made some good points, but i disagree with it from a different prospective, and thats ok.

the bottom line is there are many religions with different beliefs, and one most look inside theirself for the answer. you cant chose a beleif system just because it fits your needs. So if what everybody typed is your TRUE belief. thats what you must rely on and question.

As far as vanity....well if you want to get technical you can blame all your decisions on vanity and selfishness.

i dont believe i workout and juice for vanity. i like to be presentable, but im not hear to impress anybody. having pride in the way you look and feel is not vane imo. yes some ppl take things to their head, and put theirself in a position to look down on others or make others feel inadequate, and that is vanity to the extreme.

like i said or pointed to, if gear takes you to your goals in a safe manner, i think thats fine, but if your appearence goes before your health....well your wrong and will pay the price both physically and spiritually.



PPP
 
"...Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings: that ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world..." Philippians 2:12-15

In and of itself nothing is unclean,,,The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof,,,If you believe its unclean then its sin,,,Whatsoever is not of faith is sin,,,As Neo said,,,Keep your conscience clean,,,Cast all your cares upon the Lord for he cares for you,,,If you care about understanding this then ask and you shall receive,,,VDC
 
Thank you Neo and VDC, the both of you have me thinking more about my personal relationship with God than on just relying on my reading of the Bible and worrying if I'm doing everything right. I still will read the Bible and do my best to follow it's teachings, but I'll rely on my faith in God within myself, thanking God and Jesus for the ability for this personal relationship.

Here's my take on the steroid vs. sin issue: I agree that it is not for man to decide what is sin, but for God alone. If in the deepest recesses of your being, you feel that what you are doing is wrong, then it probably is. Sometimes you don't have to delve too deep to realize that what you are doing is wrong. This is one way of God talking to you. Do you ever wonder why we have a conscience? It's God's way of speaking to you. Have you ever had your conscience tell you to stop doing something, but you rationalized to your conscience that what you were doing is right? That is defying God.

It really comes down to what you feel is right or wrong within yourself. If you have to rationalize what you are doing, then probably what you are doing is wrong. With that being said, I think this only applies to people who are in touch with their conscience, and haven't replaced it with something else. Peace and be safe.
 
Still under the law, trying to attract other people who want to stay under the law. Why not, it's easier than actually having a relatinionship with Christ, and attracting people by the love you have flowing through you.

This will only make more sons of pharisee's, and I'm not interested in those children of hell (as Jesus called them).

God is love, and obeying rules won't bring them to Christ. There is no place in scripture that says it will.

Love brings people to Christ, their being close to you and seeing you act out of love and true righteousness, not legalism and the poison they are used to hearing about God from the church.

As Christ said, we will be persecuted because of our freedoms, and out of love we often avoid offending men, which is why I don't advertise my using steroids, for their sake, so they don't judge foolishly and sin against God and love. Paul says this is wisdom.

No matter what you do, someone will damn you for doing it. Down south it was wearing a mustache... that was sin. Someone else doesn't like makeup on a woman.

You are meant to love and win those God gives you, not everyone.

Therefore, hear God and do what HE tells you to do. Do not replace this relationship with God with a set of rules you've learned from church, and badly applied scriptures.

There are no rules, only one. LOVE

Hear God, forget trying to figure it all out. You aren't smart enough. Get the answer straight from God.

Example: I won the woman to Christ who sold me my first bag of weed. She got instantly healed of everything wrong with her body (which was considerabley disabled), and now two years later, with the help of god, she is buying and just moved into her first house, and met her own daughter on that black dude's TV talk show. Her heart is soft and tender, and she went from being a witch, to a loving devoted sister in Christ who hears from God daily.

So much for the bullshit about keeping the laws. LOVE is the only thing, and God is the only one who can guide you perfectly. Not man's thinking or poor across the board interpretation and misapplication of scripture.











Phreezer said:
This is something I wrote for a friend of mine awhile back....

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I told myself..It's legal in "most" countries of the world (It's Not legal in the one that I reside in.... Romans 13:1-7 ). I'm doing this because it's "healthy" (it's not healthy and it's the cause for most of the health problems that I have... 1 Timothy 4) "I'm doing this because I want to compete" (I did it because I wanted to be bigger and stronger than anyone else, and I was willing to go to any means to achieve it, whatever it took to be Better than someone else..that means I was full of vanity and pride.... PROV 16:18) I could still serve God and do this one little thing for myself and it wouldn't distract me from doing God's work (I was serving myself, and not God, it not only distracted me from serving the Lord, it made me incapable of witnessing to others......I actually want to elaborate on this, If a Man tells you that he doesn't want to hear what you have to say about God, because He knows that you're a steroid user, and that you frequently lie to others EVEN your own family,...That stood as a wake up call! How can I expect anyone to listen to me about them giving up the Sin in their life and coming to Christ, when they know that I am certainly not giving up my own sin, by using illegal drugs, being deceitful, and hiding things from my family and from my church, and from my friends... Luke 6:41-42 ... Ephesians 5:12-13)

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It's just something to think about
 
Every food out there has been at one time or another, thought of as bad for the body.

Your thinking is wrong, for this reason. Every body is different.

Some people like George Burns, can smoke til they are 100 and die from something unrelated.

Some people benefit health wise from test.

General statements applied to an individual are by definition going to be wrong most of the time.

Using gear or a gun or ANYTHING, is good or bad, by what God says to a man, not by your rules and way of thinking.

And if some fool thinks they can use gear thinking it's a sin and then get forgiven for it, they are truly deceived.

That seems to be what you are implying, not sure though.



Southernjuice said:
Now this is a good post....of course using gear is a sin, it's NOT good for the temple(which is your body) and causes a plethra of other problems as well....however, we all sin...everyone, everyday. None of us can cast a stone...but, Christians can be and will be....FORGIVEN.
 
Amen bro, well said.

Peace Division said:
Thank you Neo and VDC, the both of you have me thinking more about my personal relationship with God than on just relying on my reading of the Bible and worrying if I'm doing everything right. I still will read the Bible and do my best to follow it's teachings, but I'll rely on my faith in God within myself, thanking God and Jesus for the ability for this personal relationship.

Here's my take on the steroid vs. sin issue: I agree that it is not for man to decide what is sin, but for God alone. If in the deepest recesses of your being, you feel that what you are doing is wrong, then it probably is. Sometimes you don't have to delve too deep to realize that what you are doing is wrong. This is one way of God talking to you. Do you ever wonder why we have a conscience? It's God's way of speaking to you. Have you ever had your conscience tell you to stop doing something, but you rationalized to your conscience that what you were doing is right? That is defying God.

It really comes down to what you feel is right or wrong within yourself. If you have to rationalize what you are doing, then probably what you are doing is wrong. With that being said, I think this only applies to people who are in touch with their conscience, and haven't replaced it with something else. Peace and be safe.
 
Neodavid said:
Man are you stupid. Baby Jesus was from Krypton, that's why he was so powerful.
Well,fuck man...I tried to explain his power in a way everyone would understand...not my fault I didn't know baby jesus was from krypton!Well now I know,it's time to spread the word!!I'll see what the pastor at the local church says about our theories.
 
Don't be a fool man! All pastors work for Lex Luthor. They are the sworn enemies of baby Jesus.


RobbieH02879 said:
Well,fuck man...I tried to explain his power in a way everyone would understand...not my fault I didn't know baby jesus was from krypton!Well now I know,it's time to spread the word!!I'll see what the pastor at the local church says about our theories.
 
Neo,,,I read and it is the same voice I hear,,,The same revelation,,,"...The path of the just is as the shining light; that shining more and more til the perfect day."Proverbs 4:18

As to judgment,,,"Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? How much more things that pertain to this life?"1Cor6:2-3,,,"To execute the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the Lord."Psalms 149:9
There are unspeakable riches for us in God,,,Righteousness(being right), peace, and joy,,,Faith which works by love,,,The ability to be wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove,,,Life eternal and life everlasting(2 different things,,,eternal is a quality,,,Everlasting is a quantity),,,Immortality,,,Incorruption,,,The beauty of holiness,,,Having a spirit of power, love, and a sound mind,,,Oh that men would praise him for his goodness and his wonderful works to the children of man,,,Rejoice evermore,,,VDC
 
I'm sure God will not keep you out of heaven for taking testosterone (which is already in your body as it is).
 
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