Tbaz192
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Oh word. Time doesn’t exist in my brain. I forget what day it is.
Hope for good things. I’m pulling some new labs here soon as well.
Copper, ferritin, apob, CRP, cbc, cmp, thyroid. Check off my known issues.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Chronic Low ferritin. Need advice from those who have fixed low ferritin.
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Hope for good things. I’m pulling some new labs here soon as well.
Copper, ferritin, apob, CRP, cbc, cmp, thyroid. Check off my known issues.
Photon
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Labs came back, but values aren't useful,..
My hsCRP came back at ~11, and my ferritin went from ~100+ to ~700+.
With an elevated hsCRP, the ferritin value is useless.
I don't have an issue with ferritin tho (different from you), my issue is a continuously dropping hgb/hct/iron sat. hgb/hct fell by another .6 and 4 points. Keep this up and my hgb will be <10 in a few months.
It feels like my body is storing all my piggy iron and refusing to convert it to usable iron..it might actually work for you.
I probably need to repull the hsCRP and ferritin..hsCRP seems to fluctuate like..every few days -- kinda useless..
Tbaz192
Member
Damn.
I need to pull labs on Friday. CRP as well. See where I’m at. I definitely have to be in better range. Haven’t been supplementing any iron either. Just food sources.
.3ml test cyp twice a week ish, and recently as of two weeks ago 25mg proviron daily for a libido boost.
Had to take some exemestane a few days ago still lol.
Somehow feeling bigger and stronger than I was on blast months and months ago.
TheBeast1
Member
When I was cutting I was craving steak all of the time. Ended up just doing steak and eggs as my breakfast 7 days a week. Was glorious and amazing.
Discovered I was anemic. Whoops. Before bed I supplement iron and vitamin C. The vitamin C helps with iron absorption. Hasn't been an issue since.
Discovered I was anemic. Whoops. Before bed I supplement iron and vitamin C. The vitamin C helps with iron absorption. Hasn't been an issue since.
Ateam2023
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Corduroy
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I haven't seen heme iron supplementation mentioned on this thread. Heme iron is the same form of iron found in meat. One brand is called Proferrin. There's no need to take it with vitamin C and in fact you can take it with food. Minimal drug/nutrient interactions or side effects. It brought my ferritin up from the 20s to the 70s. Of course it can also raise hematocrit just like any other iron supplement.
Also, if it's an option to change your protocol to testosterone cream from a compounding pharmacy, topical T causes significantly less hematocrit elevation for the same level of serum testosterone compared to injections. A 30ml pump bottle of 200mg/ml is a 30 day supply at 200mg/day (equivalent roughly to 20mg/day injection i.e. 140mg/week, so 2 full pumps/day is equal to about 280mg/week of subQ or IM test).
Changing to topical T while at the same time taking 1 Proferrin capsule per day has normalized my ferritin and at the same time lowered my hematocrit from 55 to 49. Of course anyone with Hct/ferritin issues on a more aggressive regimen of androgens is going to need more help than this (like blood donations or therapeutic phlebotomy), but it's possible that donating blood every 2-3 months while at the same time maintaining heme iron supplementation could keep one in the "Goldilocks zone".
Also, if it's an option to change your protocol to testosterone cream from a compounding pharmacy, topical T causes significantly less hematocrit elevation for the same level of serum testosterone compared to injections. A 30ml pump bottle of 200mg/ml is a 30 day supply at 200mg/day (equivalent roughly to 20mg/day injection i.e. 140mg/week, so 2 full pumps/day is equal to about 280mg/week of subQ or IM test).
Changing to topical T while at the same time taking 1 Proferrin capsule per day has normalized my ferritin and at the same time lowered my hematocrit from 55 to 49. Of course anyone with Hct/ferritin issues on a more aggressive regimen of androgens is going to need more help than this (like blood donations or therapeutic phlebotomy), but it's possible that donating blood every 2-3 months while at the same time maintaining heme iron supplementation could keep one in the "Goldilocks zone".
Tbaz192
Member
Yeah,
I’ve been eating more heme iron, meanwhile not supplementing iron capsules.
Going to pull labs on this very low dose TRT
See if my iron/ ferritin has stabilized from a lower androgen level. Just normal diet normal supplements, before I toss something in there now.
I have the piggy iron injectable just in case lol
True.
I’ve been eating more heme iron, meanwhile not supplementing iron capsules.
Going to pull labs on this very low dose TRT
See if my iron/ ferritin has stabilized from a lower androgen level. Just normal diet normal supplements, before I toss something in there now.
I have the piggy iron injectable just in case lol
ok so i have thesalmia anmeia (i know i spelled that wrong) very common in greek people and low ferritin. I pulled labs a month ago and did cbc, ferritin. i wont post it because its in Greek but I'll share with you the values:
My ferritin is 18.43 ng/ml where the range is 20-275
Rbc 7.43 M/ul reference range is 4.78-5.95
Hemoglobin 14.9 g/dl reference range is 13.4-17.4
Hct 47.2%
Mcv 63.5 fl reference is 82-100
Mch 20.1 pg where reference range is 27.7-35.1
Mchc 31.7 g/dl reference is 29.9-34.9
Rdw is 18.2% reference range is 11-15
As you can see my ferritin is a lil low and im thinking I will need to donate in a month or two because I just started a blast basicaly from 250mg of Test E a week to 375mg of Test E and 350 Masteron Propinate a week.
My understanding is that ferritin needs to be higher to donate, i think the units there using hee in Greece is different than the U.s. because of the lower reference range values. my bed blood cell count is elevated. Is that something i need to be concerend with since my Hemoglobin and hct are good pre-blast?
I started to supplement with 18 mg of iron bisglycinate every day with 500 mg of vitamin C. takin at the right time of the day. (away from other vitamins and stuff that can competet for absorbtion)
I got on Trt in the states and continued it here in Greece on my own so im learning as i go because the last endocronoligist i went to was only concerened with my total T numbers since they were "high" to him at 1500
Is this the right thing to do?
Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.
My ferritin is 18.43 ng/ml where the range is 20-275
Rbc 7.43 M/ul reference range is 4.78-5.95
Hemoglobin 14.9 g/dl reference range is 13.4-17.4
Hct 47.2%
Mcv 63.5 fl reference is 82-100
Mch 20.1 pg where reference range is 27.7-35.1
Mchc 31.7 g/dl reference is 29.9-34.9
Rdw is 18.2% reference range is 11-15
As you can see my ferritin is a lil low and im thinking I will need to donate in a month or two because I just started a blast basicaly from 250mg of Test E a week to 375mg of Test E and 350 Masteron Propinate a week.
My understanding is that ferritin needs to be higher to donate, i think the units there using hee in Greece is different than the U.s. because of the lower reference range values. my bed blood cell count is elevated. Is that something i need to be concerend with since my Hemoglobin and hct are good pre-blast?
I started to supplement with 18 mg of iron bisglycinate every day with 500 mg of vitamin C. takin at the right time of the day. (away from other vitamins and stuff that can competet for absorbtion)
I got on Trt in the states and continued it here in Greece on my own so im learning as i go because the last endocronoligist i went to was only concerened with my total T numbers since they were "high" to him at 1500
Is this the right thing to do?
Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.
Photon
Member
Tbaz192
Member
100% listen to proton.
You’ll dump your ferritin and it’ll ruin your cycle & more. You’ll be real fatigued and weak for a while after if you donate.
I didn’t see anything bad. Sure some skewed values.
Elevated RBC from the androgens etc but that’s normal. Your body is creating more RBC, which can take from your ferritin as well.
That was my issue I believe. I still need to pull labs. I’m feeling night and day different being off TRT+ … But constant high dose of gear was draining my ferritin and my body couldn’t keep up with the RBC creation and storing iron. Plus I believe I have absorption issues. Either way doesn’t matter.
Don’t donate lol. Stay hydrated, stay on the iron. Pull labs in a few weeks.
Only time it’s really concerning is if
RBC, Hemo, HCT
are all highly elevated.
Thick blood is bad blood.
BendigoShafter
Member
How long did it take to go from 30 to 116?
Ateam2023
Member
6 weeks give or take
Thank yall both for the help!100% listen to proton.
You’ll dump your ferritin and it’ll ruin your cycle & more. You’ll be real fatigued and weak for a while after if you donate.
I didn’t see anything bad. Sure some skewed values.
Elevated RBC from the androgens etc but that’s normal. Your body is creating more RBC, which can take from your ferritin as well.
That was my issue I believe. I still need to pull labs. I’m feeling night and day different being off TRT+ … But constant high dose of gear was draining my ferritin and my body couldn’t keep up with the RBC creation and storing iron. Plus I believe I have absorption issues. Either way doesn’t matter.
Don’t donate lol. Stay hydrated, stay on the iron. Pull labs in a few weeks.
Only time it’s really concerning is if
RBC, Hemo, HCT
are all highly elevated.
Thick blood is bad blood.
Ill keep running the iron supplement and check my blood work in three weeks to see where im at.
Tbaz192
Member
Pulling some labs today yall. Let’s see how I’m sitting. Been low dose T for a while now. Wish I actually kept track.
HS-CRP
ferritin
CBC & CMP
E2
Total T
Switching to a gluten free / anti inflammatory diet as well. Just for over all gut health.
Also switched to daily test cyp injections for hopefully less RBC creation demand and better CBC numbers. Which also in theory should help with my ferritin if that was my issue. (highly want to blast a cycle lol)
HS-CRP
ferritin
CBC & CMP
E2
Total T
Switching to a gluten free / anti inflammatory diet as well. Just for over all gut health.
Also switched to daily test cyp injections for hopefully less RBC creation demand and better CBC numbers. Which also in theory should help with my ferritin if that was my issue. (highly want to blast a cycle lol)
Tbaz192
Member
Dang. Biglycinate is usually the easiest on stomach.
Could try ferrous fumarate / gluconate possibly?
yeah i know but man that tuff had me Bloated afer a week and a half. Im going to do some more research and restart with a different one after i run my labs in a couple of weeks because its time for them anyway. ill post my results
Photon
Member
Look at Slow FE or Feosol Complete
Tbaz192
Member
Wild how different iron supps effect everyone or dont. Obviously different situations. Wish it was a “fix all” for all of us lol
