Classic Bodybuilding weigh-in rehydration protocol

BWCguy

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This is just an idea and apologies if this has already been discussed.
Idea came to me as I have been back into the bodybuilding for a good few years after I stopped fighting. I'm typically competitive and goal orientated, so I have found myself thinking about competing late next year in a classic bodybuilding contest. Timing is due to only getting back on it the last 6months and want to run a few solid growth cycles before prepping. I am familiar with approaches to prep diet wise as I used to compete natty as a teenager and junior.
Anyway, here is the logic. When I used to fight, I would typically lose about 20ish pounds from 7 days out to weigh-in day. About 15 of those pounds came 24hours before the way in. When weigh-ins would occur I would look super gaunt and flat. 24hours later I would usually be approx 20lbs heavier than weigh-in day and look 10x better than when dehydrated.
Cutting weight protocol for fights was typically eating next to nothing for a week, no carbs, 2 gallons of water a day and stop 24hrs before weigh-ins. If needed, I would suck the rest out through hot baths. Rehydration protocol was a primary focus on hydration, electrolytes, and maybe using glycerol and creatine. I would eat a lot of carbs, but was cautious of digestion interfering with rehydration. I'm sure heaps of guys here are familiar with this. I would avoid cutting more than 10% of my bodyweight in fluid from dehydration and minimise the time spent in a dehydrated state.
Anyway, how different would this be to classic bodybuilding rehydration protocol after weigh-ins?
Obviously the goals are different (i.e., performance vs aesthetics), but surely there would have to be some form of rehydration to look fuller. I'm aware carbing up requires some water, but if you suck 10-15lbs of water out to make weight, surely a person could benefit to some degree if they were able to maximise intracellular water. More than happy to have my thought process ripped to shreds, actually would appreciate it. Just with how new classic bodybuilding is and with the weigh-ins 24hours before a contest, I'm sure this would require a different approach as coming in 10-20lbs heavier would be an advantage if the right type of water retention is optimised and conditioning remains.
 
I prep both bodybuilders and combat athletes and you do not intentionally cut weight (although you can cut quite a bit your last few days) for bodybuilding.

I prefer to use diuretics, but have years of experience and you must absolutely understand how the 3 classes work and how they affect your body. I don't give out he formula over the Internet (or even in person unlessI am directly prepping someone) because things can go very, very wrong.

There are ways of cutting water naturally that will bring you in about 95% as good as diuretics, w/ out the risks. Yes you will water/sodium load and then deplete but again the reason isn't to make a particular weight in the way you do in combat sports.

I competed in open, but I have seen guys who are not dry (or shredded) whatsoever get pro cards in classic. You just need the shape.
 
If you are truly shredded to the bone, line looking skinless and you're 15lbs over the classic limit... Compete in open. Most people need to focus on getting leaner, not fucking with diuretics.

Come into peak week absolutely shredded and don't try to work some last minute magic. Often times people try to do water/sodium manipulation to look 5% better and end up looking 20% worse.
 
I’m not sure your experience but you absolutely do purposely cut weight for bodybuilding, both as an amatuer to be it into a weight class or as a pro to fit into 212 or classic…
 
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I’m not sure your experience but you absolutely do purposely cut weight for bodybuilding, both as an amatuer to be it into a weight class or as a pro to fit into 212 or classic…
Agreed, I was approaching this as if it were someone brand new to bodybuilding
 
I don't know if the brand new comment was directed at me, but I have done 17 shows, placed well (qualified for nationals) at the Mr Texas and South West USA. I was 212 at one and 208 the other and competed against bigger guys. Those weights were where my conditioning was best. I just got beat by guys who were better (I have a pretty thick midsection and other genetic flaws) but my conditioning was excellent, striated glutei and all.

Sure, if I were a pro and set on the 212 that would be one thing, but if I tried to come down to light heavy I would have ruined myself.

As has been mentioned, the key is to be absolutely shredded, and you want to be there 12-14 days out. Flat is OK. Drop carbs to 100 or so and gradually raise them up over the next 10 or so days. Depleting and loading is a crap shoot. You will drop a good amount of water over the process, but I drink water until 6-7 PM the night before and let my diuretics do the work.

I am not suggesting you do this, because it takes a complete knowledge base and a lot of experience, but I start an aldosterone blocker about 6 days out, titrate up and then use a thiazide and titrate up. I don't touch a loop diuretic until the evening before, usually after going out and eating Italian food with desserts. I only us lasix to fine tune. I reduce sodium a few days out and then re-introduce it. doing so seems to draw water from the skin into the muscles.

Come in where you look the best, don'y worry about the weight. Hadi is just won the Olympia and he is a little guy, he was just the best conditioned.

Now classic, where guys have to make weight, I don't know. I would not even come close to the weight limit, I am not that tall. I will say that almost anyone with a small waist can get a pro card in classic and only the guys placing well at pro shows have what I would consider to be good conditioning. I see guys in classic soft as can be, never even win a class in open, switch to classic and get a pro card.
 
I don't know if the brand new comment was directed at me, but I have done 17 shows, placed well (qualified for nationals) at the Mr Texas and South West USA. I was 212 at one and 208 the other and competed against bigger guys. Those weights were where my conditioning was best. I just got beat by guys who were better (I have a pretty thick midsection and other genetic flaws) but my conditioning was excellent, striated glutei and all.

Sure, if I were a pro and set on the 212 that would be one thing, but if I tried to come down to light heavy I would have ruined myself.

As has been mentioned, the key is to be absolutely shredded, and you want to be there 12-14 days out. Flat is OK. Drop carbs to 100 or so and gradually raise them up over the next 10 or so days. Depleting and loading is a crap shoot. You will drop a good amount of water over the process, but I drink water until 6-7 PM the night before and let my diuretics do the work.

I am not suggesting you do this, because it takes a complete knowledge base and a lot of experience, but I start an aldosterone blocker about 6 days out, titrate up and then use a thiazide and titrate up. I don't touch a loop diuretic until the evening before, usually after going out and eating Italian food with desserts. I only us lasix to fine tune. I reduce sodium a few days out and then re-introduce it. doing so seems to draw water from the skin into the muscles.

Come in where you look the best, don'y worry about the weight. Hadi is just won the Olympia and he is a little guy, he was just the best conditioned.

Now classic, where guys have to make weight, I don't know. I would not even come close to the weight limit, I am not that tall. I will say that almost anyone with a small waist can get a pro card in classic and only the guys placing well at pro shows have what I would consider to be good conditioning. I see guys in classic soft as can be, never even win a class in open, switch to classic and get a pro card.

I don’t take any issue with what you do for you…but “come in where you look best” is not a viable practice for many elite amateurs or pros as missing weight class limits tosses you either into a class that has 20+ lbs on you or puts you out of competition all together.

Doesn’t need to be an argument from authority…

OP; dehydrating severely for a weigh in is a delicate process and really only viable for pro events where the weigh in is several days in advance of the stage. Most amatuer events are day before or day of, with national shows being a bit further out. I think NAs? has the longest time weigh in to on stage of 2+ days. You simply cannot properly rehydrate that fast with food coming in and achieve the desired look. It also requires a very good relationship with a coach who has experience with both the protocol and your body.

For local, qualifying, etc competition severe depletion really shouldn’t be necessary. If you cannot get into stage shape body fat wise and using an OTC diuretic like XPEL you shouldn’t be fucking with rx diuretics and any body with National/pro card hopes should be winning qualifying shows handily at 80-90%.
 
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This is just an idea and apologies if this has already been discussed.
Idea came to me as I have been back into the bodybuilding for a good few years after I stopped fighting. I'm typically competitive and goal orientated, so I have found myself thinking about competing late next year in a classic bodybuilding contest. Timing is due to only getting back on it the last 6months and want to run a few solid growth cycles before prepping. I am familiar with approaches to prep diet wise as I used to compete natty as a teenager and junior.
Anyway, here is the logic. When I used to fight, I would typically lose about 20ish pounds from 7 days out to weigh-in day. About 15 of those pounds came 24hours before the way in. When weigh-ins would occur I would look super gaunt and flat. 24hours later I would usually be approx 20lbs heavier than weigh-in day and look 10x better than when dehydrated.
Cutting weight protocol for fights was typically eating next to nothing for a week, no carbs, 2 gallons of water a day and stop 24hrs before weigh-ins. If needed, I would suck the rest out through hot baths. Rehydration protocol was a primary focus on hydration, electrolytes, and maybe using glycerol and creatine. I would eat a lot of carbs, but was cautious of digestion interfering with rehydration. I'm sure heaps of guys here are familiar with this. I would avoid cutting more than 10% of my bodyweight in fluid from dehydration and minimise the time spent in a dehydrated state.
Anyway, how different would this be to classic bodybuilding rehydration protocol after weigh-ins?
Obviously the goals are different (i.e., performance vs aesthetics), but surely there would have to be some form of rehydration to look fuller. I'm aware carbing up requires some water, but if you suck 10-15lbs of water out to make weight, surely a person could benefit to some degree if they were able to maximise intracellular water. More than happy to have my thought process ripped to shreds, actually would appreciate it. Just with how new classic bodybuilding is and with the weigh-ins 24hours before a contest, I'm sure this would require a different approach as coming in 10-20lbs heavier would be an advantage if the right type of water retention is optimised and conditioning remains.
Ok, so classic. This means weight limits based on height. How tall are you?

The weight limit is very different from fighting, because in fighting, you are jus trying to hit a weight limit. You do not care how you look. For Classic Physique, it is ALL about how you look.

Serious question here, though. You were a fighter and now you want to compete in Classic Physique. My guess is that you are not so huge and unlikely to be so huge in 2023 that this will be a consideration for you. In other words, I doubt you can be stage ready and still be over the weight limit for your height.

Am I wrong?

Have you competed before? I ask that question because stage ready is very different from "my summer cut" or "hey, do I look like 10% in these pics?"

There are very, very few persons on this board who, if we picked a show date in 2023, and had Mac11wildcat coach them for prep and started right now, would be over the weight limit within two weeks of the show date.

Lots of guys think they would have a hard time. They think, sitting here in December all puffy, "I am 5' 10" feet tall, and the limit is 197, but I weigh 225, so there is no way I can drop to 197." But if they have never competed, then they have no idea that to get into real stage shape, shredded, feathering on the muscles visible, that they may drop below 190. There is a big difference between mirror selfies and how you look under stage lights.

The best way I can describe it is, in normal pictures with normal lights on show day, I look "gross." On stage, though, I look amazing.

As for weigh in, you don't really get 24 hours. At lower level amateur shows, frequently weigh in is on the night before, and prejudging is in the morning. So you may get some sleep and a few hours awake in between, and that is all.

Just some things to think about.

So how tall are you now, and do you have prior competition experience? If so, in what type of condition did you take the stage in comparison to the other competitors?

Coming in shredded can help you win against larger competitors. Lots of guys are large and afraid of "losing gains" and come in looking weeks out, puffy and smooth, too much fat and too much water, but all their buddies on instagram looked at their selfies and told them they looked great, so they hit the stage and can't figure out why they placed 16th. Some of them do it year after year. They just do not want to do what it takes to get the last few ponds of fat off.
 
If you are interested in Classic, then here is a guy competing in Classic. I watched him go from curious about competing to the low level show to nationals and now IFBB pro, but looking at his recent thread here will give you some idea of the size in the off season that fits within the weight limits for Classic.


They are allowed 10 additional pounds moving up to pros from being amateurs in the NPC, but, well, take a look.
 
Sure...I was only speaking as a person was has competed only in open and only prepped guys in open. But yes...in classic where you have to make weight obviously it is extremely important. They hand out pro cards in classic like candy, so it is only logical to compete there if your goal is to be an IFBB pro. I still hold that in open, where at the Mr Texas I was 208 and competing in the 225 lb class I was better off not trying to cut 10 lbs to make light heavy.

I can. however, chronicle weight loss doing my thing (not trying to make a particular weight) because yes you do drop weight.

First, it depends when you are weighing in. Nowadays, it is the day before. In the 5 days prior I am drinking lots of water up until the night of the show, and using diuretics, but since my carbs increase I don't really lose a lot of weight...maybe 5-6 lbs. I weigh in the day before the show when carbs have been fairly high the last few days (like I said I gradually raise them up over 10 days). I also have not touched a loop diuretic. Now the night before the show I cut water at 8 or so, and then use a loop....so I probably drop another 5 lbs of water or more easy. But that only affects your weight the day of the show, meaningless if you weighed in the day before.

So it seems then, that I don't know anything about rehydrating for classic, LOL. Probably why no one ever hires me for classic (and I straight up refuse to prep a lady boy wearing board shorts).

Now open, I'm your guy, HA! I have a monster (weighs 285 lbs and has never touched slin) I am prepping who, if I can get his smooth ass ripped, has a good shot at an open pro card.

Interesting, now that I read over what I wrote it is obvious that I have an attitude problem when it comes to classic....and that is why no one hires me, LOLOL.

PS...I noticed that the KillionB guy malfeasance posted up uses Iron Lion gear...I use their raws exclusively, and their orange tops.
 
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